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Ignore Pakistan till it starts behaving like a normal neighbour
Vikram Sood
New Delhi, December 09, 2014


Standing up for one’s rights is not warmongering; nor are dissent and criticism signs of disloyalty. On the other hand, appeasement and sycophancy are dangerously close to being disloyal. One does not become a warmonger or a hardliner merely because it is argued that peace with Pakistan, which has believed in unremitting belligerence in its relations with India, looks remote under the present circumstances.



The situation that prevails today has been the result of false conceptions in both countries about each other and about their own abilities. Pakistan continues to convince itself that India covets Pakistan and is unable to accept that the way Pakistan is configured today no country covets it except as some real estate to further its own strategic interests. It is also unable to accept that since it cannot defeat India militarily, it hopes to subdue and conquer through officially-sponsored jihad. This too will not succeed.

When a strategy yields no results, or worse, is counterproductive, then the wise move is to change it. Our strategy of not reacting to repeated Pakistani depredations or repeatedly offering help or conciliatory gestures may have earned us international accolades as a responsible nation but has not made Pakistan change its policy options or stance towards India.

On the contrary, Pakistan sees its policy towards India as being successful requiring no change. India must revisit its policy and strategy towards a neighbour which feels it can continue being the juvenile delinquent. It is time to look at Pakistan without our tinted glasses and false hopes.

Pakistan does not have a conventional democracy where the military is controlled by the civilian government. In fact, even autocratic regimes like China and the USSR have kept their militaries under civilian control. Pakistan is also not a secular state. It openly fosters Islamic credentials which are increasingly rigid and Sunni.

The Blasphemy Law case of the Christian woman Asia Bibi, the inability of the Lahore High Court to set aside Asia’s death sentence, the assassination of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, who opposed the death penalty, and the lionisation of the assassin are markers of the shape of things to come. No one in Pakistan can amend this law.

Pakistan is a revisionist state seeking equality in power and influence but is unable to accept that it is a smaller power with limited reach and even less acceptability in the 21st century. It will continue its hostility towards India and all its actions are aimed against India for protecting itself against imagined threats and conspiracies from and by India.

The Pakistan Army had positioned itself many decades ago as the protector of the territory and ideology of Pakistan. It needs to maintain animosity with India for the continuance of its primacy in a country which is increasingly Islamist in character. The army will continue to use jihad as a low-cost policy option against India.

From the beginning, and increasingly over time, Pakistan has made India the target of its unipolar enmity. Thus while the Army has spoken of crushing India it has accepted that even a defeat against India is a victory for itself as it shows it to be standing up to Indian hegemony. The politicians’ slogan has been that without Kashmir, Pakistan is incomplete. Thus both have ensured Pakistan will remain eternally adhura. Besides, the Pakistan Army fears that should peace between India and Pakistan happen, they will lose Pakistan to Pakistanis.

The recent outburst by former General Pervez Musharraf to an Indian TV anchor that Pakistan should continue to incite Kashmiris to revolt is one example of this mindset. Pakistan NSA Sartaj Aziz, not to be outdone, had a Freudian slip when he expostulated that Pakistan will do nothing to stop terrorists who do not intend to harm Pakistan.

The Pakistan government facilitated the recent JuD rally in Lahore where Hafiz Saeed threatened with his Ghazwa-e-Hind, while terrorists from Pakistan killed eight Indian soldiers in a midnight terror attack in Uri. No wonder a commentator observed that the Islamic State was not the first caliphate in modern times, Pakistan was the first.

Former Pakistan foreign minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri’s recent condescension while sitting in the company of his two backscratchers in India, saying that Pakistan would have no problem with India’s presence in Afghanistan provided India mended its fences with Pakistan, probably annoyed all self-respecting Afghans more than the Indians. But it showed Pakistan’s state of mind — that of fear. The Pakistan Army has a mind of its own and the civilian set up does not —it merely mouths what the Pakistan Army dictates.

Pakistan seeks international relevance through continued delinquency and seemingly irrational behaviour. Actually, by its own rules of the game there is perfect rationality in this policy of continued enmity with India. Simultaneously, and constantly, there has been perfect irrationality in our seemingly rational approach in perpetually seeking conciliation with Pakistan. Ours has been a policy of misplaced hope and naive sentimentality while theirs is one of opportunism. We never had a hard look at the evolving situation inside Pakistan.

For long we have held the mistaken notion that we can help Pakistan evolve differently and lead it to a path of everlasting peace and harmony. We have no such divine providence. Only Pakistanis can help themselves. We should not get overwhelmed by the argument that war is not an option for India while Pakistan has the option to unleash jihad under a nuclear cover.

Since we cannot even try to mend Pakistan, it is best to largely ignore the country for the present and continue strengthening our capabilities till that country is ready to deal with India as a normal neighbour.

Let us get real.

Vikram Sood is former Secretary, Research & Analysis Wing.

The views expressed by the author are personal
Ignore Pakistan till it starts behaving like a normal neighbour - Hindustan Times
 
This article is the perfect synthesis of almost every delusion and propagandist narrative (regarding Pakistan) perpetuated by India. (that too with a rather amusing 'matter-of-fact' tone). Bravo.
 
Aise his thode kissiko ignore kiya ja sakta hai... Even the mighty US lying on the other side of the globe can't afford to ignore Pakistan, how can India, its conjoined neighbor, ignore it like that?
 
This article is the perfect synthesis of almost every delusion and propagandist narrative (regarding Pakistan) perpetuated by India. (that too with a rather amusing 'matter-of-fact' tone). Bravo.
How Sir,
Are the people being killed on Blasphemy charges a propagandist narrative?
Is the lionization of Qadri, the murderer of Taseer a propagandist narrative?
Is the distinction of Taliban into good terrorists and bad terrorists by Pakistan, a propagandist narrative?
Are conspiracy theories and threats surrounding Malala ?

Pakistan is increasingly turning Islamist. This is a matter of fact.
 
Pakistan is increasingly turning Islamist. This is a matter of fact.
No. Pakistan was NEVER an Islamist state like Iran or Saudi Wahhabia. ZIA tried to Islamize it but failed miserably. When he died in a plane crash, Pakistanis were already singing rock and pop: DIL DIL PAKISTAN! :D
 
Are the people being killed on Blasphemy charges a propagandist narrative?
People being killed, presumably for blasphemy is the truth. The way you phrase it is what makes it propagandist - making it seem as if its a widely accepted or supported law, which it is not.
Is the lionization of Qadri, the murderer of Taseer a propagandist narrative?
Yes, it is. Taseer was a politician and there is politics involved in his murder and any subsequent 'lionization' (which hasn't really been happening).
Is the distinction of Taliban into good terrorists and bad terrorists by Pakistan, a propagandist narrative?
Yes, it is. Pakistan has systematically destroyed every form of terrorist - those who have not been destroyed are due to lack of actionable evidence. Pakistan learned from its mistakes with the Taliban decades ago.
Are conspiracy theories and threats surrounding Malala ?
They are precisely that - conspiracy theories and nothing more.
Pakistan is increasingly turning Islamist
'Islamist' would be a good thing - Islam would mean that there would be unity, peace, justice and prosperity. A better word for what you're trying to say here would be 'extremist'.
And it's not 'increasingly', not by far. If anything, its decreasing now. Eventually, through education and information (which is spreading rapidly through modern media), whatever is left of it would be eradicated - though it is our (Pakistanis') responsibility to help that process.
Making people feel that something is increasing and increasingly threatening is a typical propaganda tactic.
 
People being killed, presumably for blasphemy is the truth. The way you phrase it is what makes it propagandist - making it seem as if its a widely accepted or supported law, which it is not.
It is Sir. It is a widely supported law. Because a few liberals on the internet dont want it, does not mean it is not. There is a huge support for Blasphemy law in Pakistan and the veneration of Qadri was testament to that.
Yes, it is. Taseer was a politician and there is politics involved in his murder and any subsequent 'lionization' (which hasn't really been happening).
You are wrong.
Lawyers shower roses for governor's killer - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Mainstream Pakistan religious organisations applaud killing of Salmaan Taseer | World news | The Guardian
Muslim scholars praise killer of Pakistan governor - World news - South and Central Asia - Pakistan | NBC News
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/pakistani-lawyers-shower-murder-suspect-with-roses/?_r=0

Do read it. Apart from that there has been a groundswell of support for Qadri from many many corners including the Ulema.
Yes, it is. Pakistan has systematically destroyed every form of terrorist - those who have not been destroyed are due to lack of actionable evidence. Pakistan learned from its mistakes with the Taliban decades ago.
If only. The US, Afghanistan, India and China seem to differ from Pakistan in that they say Jihad still emanates from Pakistani soil.
They are precisely that - conspiracy theories and nothing more.
Then why Sir, are the only 2 Pakistanis to be ever awarded a Nobel prize choose to live outside Pakistan?
'Islamist' would be a good thing - Islam would mean that there would be unity, peace, justice and prosperity. A better word for what you're trying to say here would be 'extremist'.
And it's not 'increasingly', not by far. If anything, its decreasing now. Eventually, through education and information (which is spreading rapidly through modern media), whatever is left of it would be eradicated - though it is our (Pakistanis') responsibility to help that process.
Making people feel that something is increasing and increasingly threatening is a typical propaganda tactic.
I am using Internationally accepted meanings of the term sir. Islamist is a term for someone who wanted political interpretation and implementation of Islam.
If Pakistan is not turning more fundamentalist why is Polio increasing in Pakistan, more and more Polio prevention teams being stopped from vaccinating people ?
 
I am using Internationally accepted meanings of the term sir. Islamist is a term for someone who wanted political interpretation and implementation of Islam.
If Pakistan is not turning more fundamentalist why is Polio increasing in Pakistan, more and more Polio prevention teams being stopped from vaccinating people ?
Pakistan was never an Islamist nation. It started when PakArmy colluded with Islamist terrorist Jamat-e-Islami against Qadianis in 1953. Later they used them to butcher nationalist Bengalis in 1971. Flash forward, ZIA tried to Islamize Pakistan by funding Taliban and other Islamist groups during Cold War. What you see today are remnants of ZIA's Holy Work!
 
It is Sir. It is a widely supported law. Because a few liberals on the internet dont want it, does not mean it is not. There is a huge support for Blasphemy law in Pakistan and the veneration of Qadri was testament to that.
And you have lived in Pakistan for how many years to base this observation on?
No Sir, I am not wrong.
From one of the articles you provided:
''On the way out, some 200 sympathizers chanted slogans in his favor''
Two hundred people and a couple of bearded old men do not represent Pakistani popular opinion.
500 clerics and scholars from the group Jamat Ahle Sunnat
This, on the other hand, is disturbing. Funny how there are more 'clerics and scholars' than there are their supporters. Most people from the Ahle Sunna wal Jamaat are quite reasonable but unfortunately one can expect anything from our 'esteemed scholars'. I, along with a considerable percentage of Pakistanis and Muslims, severely condemn them.

The US, Afghanistan, India and China seem to differ from Pakistan in that they say Jihad still emanates from Pakistani soil.
'Jihad' means struggle. It's a good thing is struggle emanates from Pakistan, shows that there is work being done for the improvement of the country.
If you are talking about terrorism, that is pretty rich coming from Afghanistan and the US especially. Blaming Pakistan for their own mess, it'll be dealt with shortly anyways, Inshallah.
why is Polio increasing in Pakistan
Actually sir it is not increasing in the whole of Pakistan - the recent increase was in FATA, which is tribal and a difficult region anyways. In the rest of Pakistan, it is decreasing.
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http://www.dawn.com/in-depth/polio-year-end-2013/_img/polio/polio-case-counter-final.jpg
more and more Polio prevention teams being stopped from vaccinating people
Again sir, it is not 'more and more' - the workers are making progress, that is evident. That wouldn't be possible if 'more and more' of them were being stopped.
Pakistan polio outbreak ‘will probably be fixed next year’, says WHO | Global development | The Guardian[/QUOTE]
 
So basically India's solution is this
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Ignore in the sense that is being spoken about is about interactions at the diplomatic level. The author is essentially saying that there should be no serious dialogue with Pakistan because it is pointless. Responses to events & acts will exist & probably be robust.

I agree with the author's views in as much that as long as Pakistan remains focussed on Kashmir, there will be no movement on betterment of relations & therefore any interactions might be pointless. On issues like Siachen, the wider issue of Kashmir etc, Indian & Pakistani positions are so far apart as to preclude any meeting point. Pakistan has walked back from Musharraf's formulations and the present Pakistani positions will get zero traction with Delhi. When seen in this context, the author's position makes good sense.
 

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