The atrocities in the 1971 civil war

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    MOD EDIT: Much of the world only knows the one-sided history of the events of 1971, that the Pakistan Army carried out a genocide and killed '3 million people', and exaggeration admitted by Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indian scholars at a conference held by the State Department over declassified documents from the 1971 war: http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/07/nat3.htm

    Here are some accounts of the atrocities committed by the Bengali population of East Pakistan upon non-Bengalis BEFORE Operation Searchlight began on the 25th of March:

    Rummel's Death by Government.

    Here is an excerpt:
    And a first hand account of events by an American engineer working in East Pakistan:

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    It was the Indian Army people who raped a lot of the Bangladeshi Women's. But many of course blamed the Muslim Pakistani Army.

    1. Indian Army Men used to change the Pak Army Uniforms and put it on there bodies to make Bengalis fool in there eyes they knew who they where. But in the Bengali eyes they where Pakistani Muslims.

    2. Many Bengalis came in that trick of the Indian Policy.

    3. Bangladeshis never had a significant proof of that Yahya Khan ever said to kill ''threee million bengalis'' the only truth is that there are some fake links on internet sites which are mostly based against Pakistani Army! And there some books where they say three million Bengalis where Genocied and a lot of raped to. But the Americans are confused wether it's 1 or 3 million who got raped by Indian Army.
     
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    MOD EDIT: The following post is being copied here from another thread, and was created by lonelyone:

    The link to that post and thread are:

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...stani-brutality-wait-its-not.html#post2077803

    Please go to the above link and thank the original poster if you like the following post

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    You would think that 40 years after '71 everything there is to be known is known, and that there is no more to uncover. The following picture must be very familiar to all Bangladeshis. It shows a Pakistani soldier checking in the lungi of a man to see whether he is Hindu or Muslim, and if he is Hindu, he will probably be taken away to be killed.



    Its a very common image, and is burned into the minds of Bangladeshis as an example of typical Pakistani/Islamic brutality, intolerance and backwardness.

    However, the fact is that the picture ISN'T of a Pakistani soldier at all, but an Indian soldier "checking for weapons". The picture is from a book by an Indian photographer called Kishor Parekh, called "Bangladesh- A Brutal Birth"

    Kishor Parekh
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    Now here is the original, undedited photo.

    Caption in the book -- "Indian Troops Grimly round up villagers suspected to be Pakistani spies they peer into Lungi in search of weapons."

    And, here is another photo of the same scene.

    Caption - "...Indian troops grimly round up villagers suspected to be Pakistani spies...The Jawans (soldiers) I was travelling with weren't too gentle: they had suffered casualties..."- Kishor Parekh, Bangladesh War 1971.



    Sources: 1. WPPh --> ENTER (World Press Photo)
    2. WPPh --> ENTER (World Press Photo)
     
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    5. Many Bengalis did blamed that it was the Pakistani Muslims who genocided and raped a lot of the bengalis. But could they ever prove about that it was the Pakistani Muslims who actually did so???

    I would love to show the sites but many say that the PakBD Liberation War was ''Covert Operation'' and it was done by the Indian RAW. And there is a site called [url The URL won't show upHistory can sometimes lie and deny about the secret facts. Everything is just going against one Nation and one group of people in the 1971 History of Bangladesh.

    As i mentioned the BanglaPak Liberation War was a Covert Operation.
     
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    In 2009 many Bangladeshi people will blame the Pakistani Army because of the false and misunderstood history. But past is past 1971 can't be related with 2009 Pakistanis have said sorry to Bangladeshis when it wasn't even Pakistani Army Muslim fault the same way can Pakistanis do ask the Bengali brothers can you people prove us where Pakistani Muslim Army people raped the women's of Bangladesh or did genocide i admit there was some of accident of Pakistani Army but not a lot. Bangladesh big mistake was to work together with India Army espcially when they came to Bangladesh to fight the Pakistani Army. And Bangladeshis took the Indian site before the Indian Armies even where in BD then there where never seen such a brutal genocides which where done on 1971. Why did everything changed when the Indian Army came in ? Big Question

     
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    This may not be a genuine video rather made by Indian intelligence agency as a doctored one. When Gen. Tikka Khan took military action from March 25, 1971, the so called members of Mukti Bahini(a terrorist army made by India) were not locals rather Indian nationals who were chanting Pakistan Zindabad in night's darkness & doing all such things like death, destruction & rape & in the morning they were mingling with local Mukti Bahini men. The earstwhile East Pakistan was gripped with internal & external conspiracy as Indian army in other forces ased people entered the land & made underground base camps & so violated international law. Pakistani army couldn't have remained sitting silently & military action was inevitable. East pakistan was NOT a disputed territory like Kashmir. Gen Tikka Khan men did military action quickly & in that quickness many innocents too got entrapped. 3 million external elements were killed & as most of them were from Indian forces, India did a lot of propaganda. Indian themselves know that any information of Indian government sources has no credibility. From 1989 till 2005 , India intelligence & media too much shouted about Pakistan's so called Operatio Topac but now Indian newspapers openly say that it was a false thing, a propaganda strategy of Indian establishment against Pakistan. Don't swayed away by just one small thing. Indian soldiers in East Pakistan in the guise of Mukti Bahini raped much more number of women there. You have very poor info abt Bangladesh. Genocide of locals was done by India, as told to me personally by many Indian Mukti Bahini men
     
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    If any of you know about if it's the Indian Army please discuss this is interesting. I had to cut my words like that because it wasn't working :pakistan:

    Salaam

    Much Love Rasel :)
     
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    Hahah....indians taking on pakistan army uniform and killing??......mukti bahini indian organization?? Dont disrespect the freedom fighters mate,without any ground knowledge,this is unacceptable...... All pakistanis are not the same,infact many are genuine gentlemen.....but what the pak army did is a unforgiving offence......nationality unnoticed,those men cant be treated as humans.......they were animals......btw,ei sob galgolpo onyo kauke gie sonaben......true bangladeshis know the original facts,irrespective of the present indo-bangla relations.....
     
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    Infact Yahya Khan was an Indian wearing a bio suite of a pakistani general. Had they cut him open they would have found a tiny vegetarian scared indian inside, seriously.

    Now my claim has no evidence just like your claims, so i think we can discuss it seriously.
     
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    The Telegraph - Calcutta : Look


    The massacre may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists, reports Sarmila Bose

    BITTER TRUTH: Civilians massacred in Jessore in 1971 ? but by whom?

    RECOGNITION DENIED: Father and son killed in Dhaka in 1971
    The bodies lie strewn on the ground. All are adult men, in civilian clothes. A uniformed man with a rifle slung on his back is seen on the right. A smattering of onlookers stand around, a few appear to be working, perhaps to remove the bodies.

    The caption of the photo is just as grim as its content: ‘April 2, 1971: Genocide by the Pakistan Occupation Force at Jessore.’ It is in a book printed by Bangladeshis trying to commemorate the victims of their liberation war.

    It is a familiar scene. There are many grisly photographs of dead bodies from 1971, published in books, newspapers and websites.

    Reading another book on the 1971 war, there was that photograph again ? taken from a slightly different angle, but the bodies and the scene of the massacre were the same. But wait a minute! The caption here reads: ‘The bodies of businessmen murdered by rebels in Jessore city.’

    The alternative caption is in The East Pakistan Tragedy, by L.F. Rushbrook Williams, written in 1971 before the independence of Bangladesh. Rushbrook Williams is strongly in favour of the Pakistan government and highly critical of the Awami League. However, he was a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, had served in academia and government in India, and with the BBC and The Times. There was no reason to think he would willfully mislabel a photo of a massacre.

    And so, in a bitter war where so many bodies had remained unclaimed, here is a set of murdered men whose bodies are claimed by both sides of the conflict! Who were these men? And who killed them?

    It turns out that the massacre in Jessore may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists.

    It is but one incident, but illustrative of the emerging reality that the conflict in 1971 in East Pakistan was a lot messier than most have been led to believe. Pakistan’s military regime did try to crush the Bengali rebellion by force, and many Bengalis did die for the cause of Bangladesh’s independence. Yet, not every allegation hurled against the Pakistan army was true, while many crimes committed in the name of Bengali nationalism remain concealed.

    Once one took a second look, some of the Jessore bodies are dressed in salwar kameez ? an indication that they were either West Pakistanis or ‘Biharis’, the non-Bengali East Pakistanis who had migrated from northern India.

    As accounts from the involved parties ? Pakistan, Bangladesh and India ? tend to be highly partisan, it was best to search for foreign eye witnesses, if any. My search took me to newspaper archives from 35 years ago. The New York Times carried the photo on April 3, 1971, captioned: ‘East Pakistani civilians, said to have been slain by government soldiers, lie in Jessore square before burial.’ The Washington Post carried it too, right under its masthead: ‘The bodies of civilians who East Pakistani sources said were massacred by the Pakistani army lie in the streets of Jessore.’ “East Pakistani sources said”, and without further investigation, these august newspapers printed the photo.

    In fact, if the Americans had read The Times of London of April 2 and Sunday Times of April 4 or talked to their British colleagues, they would have had a better idea of what was happening in Jessore. In a front-page lead article on April 2 entitled ‘Mass Slaughter of Punjabis in East Bengal,’ The Times war correspondent Nicholas Tomalin wrote an eye-witness account of how he and a team from the BBC programme Panorama saw Bengali troops and civilians march 11 Punjabi civilians to the market place in Jessore where they were then massacred. “Before we were forced to leave by threatening supporters of Shaikh Mujib,” wrote Tomalin, “we saw another 40 Punjabi “spies” being taken towards the killing ground?”

    Tomalin followed up on April 4 in Sunday Times with a detailed description of the “mid-day murder” of Punjabis by Bengalis, along with two photos ? one of the Punjabi civilians with their hands bound at the Jessore headquarters of the East Pakistan Rifles (a Bengal formation which had mutinied and was fighting on the side of the rebels), and another of their dead bodies lying in the square. He wrote how the Bengali perpetrators tried to deceive them and threatened them, forcing them to leave. As other accounts also testify, the Bengali “irregulars” were the only ones in central Jessore that day, as the Pakistan government forces had retired to their cantonment.

    Though the military action had started in Dhaka on March 25 night, most of East Pakistan was still out of the government’s control. Like many other places, “local followers of Sheikh Mujib were in control” in Jessore at that time. Many foreign media reported the killings and counter-killings unleashed by the bloody civil war, in which the army tried to crush the Bengali rebels and Bengali nationalists murdered non-Bengali civilians.

    Tomalin records the local Bengalis’ claim that the government soldiers had been shooting earlier and he was shown other bodies of people allegedly killed by army firing. But the massacre of the Punjabi civilians by Bengalis was an event he witnessed himself. Tomalin was killed while covering the Yom Kippur war of 1973, but his eye-witness accounts solve the mystery of the bodies of Jessore.

    There were, of course, genuine Bengali civilian victims of the Pakistan army during 1971. Chandhan Sur and his infant son were killed on March 26 along with a dozen other men in Shankharipara, a Hindu area in Dhaka. The surviving members of the Sur family and other residents of Shankharipara recounted to me the dreadful events of that day. Amar, the elder son of the dead man, gave me a photo of his father and brother’s bodies, which he said he had come upon at a Calcutta studio while a refugee in India. The photo shows a man’s body lying on his back, clad in a lungi, with the infant near his feet.

    Amar Sur’s anguish about the death of his father and brother (he lost a sister in another shooting incident) at the hands of the Pakistan army is matched by his bitterness about their plight in independent Bangladesh. They may be the children of a ‘shaheed,’ but their home was declared ‘vested property’ by the Bangladesh government, he said, in spite of documents showing that it belonged to his father. Even the Awami League ? support for whom had cost this Hindu locality so many lives in 1971 ? did nothing to redress this when they formed the government.

    In the book 1971: documents on crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan army and their agents in Bangladesh during 1971, published by the Liberation War Museum, Dhaka, I came across the same photo of the Sur father and son’s dead bodies. It is printed twice, one a close-up of the child only, with the caption: ‘Innocent women were raped and then killed along with their children by the barbarous Pakistan Army’. Foreigners might just have mistaken the ‘lungi’ worn by Sur for a ‘saree’, but surely Bangladeshis can tell a man in a ‘lungi’ when they see one! And why present the same ‘body’ twice?

    The contradictory claims on the photos of the dead of 1971 reveal in part the difficulty of recording a messy war, but also illustrate vividly what happens when political motives corrupt the cause of justice and humanity. The political need to spin a neat story of Pakistani attackers and Bengali victims made the Bengali perpetrators of the massacre of Punjabi civilians in Jessore conceal their crime and blame the army. The New York Times and The Washington Post “bought” that story too. The media’s reputation is salvaged in this case by the even-handed eye-witness reports of Tomalin in The Times and Sunday Times.

    As for the hapless Chandhan Sur and his infant son, the political temptation to smear the enemy to the maximum by accusing him of raping and killing women led to Bangladeshi nationalists denying their own martyrs their rightful recognition. In both cases, the true victims ?Punjabis and Bengalis, Hindus and Muslims ? were cast aside, their suffering hijacked, by political motivations of others that victimised them a second time around.
     
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    I am very much suprised by seeing something like this from an Indian paper,however they do forget the sufferings of biharis in that insurgency.Will BD Govt which is chanting hard for PK to appologize. Will apologize for these brutalities? even when the media of their masters India is coming out with reports like these.
     
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    I was just beginning to worry that the Bangladesh section on PDF was becoming pro-Indian and then we have this wonderful thread. I have also started another thread titled 'The spirit of 1971' which is worth reading by all Bangladeshis and I think Pakistanis and Indians will also find it informative. It is entirely true that many of the atrocities committed in 1971 were perpetrated by the Indians and the Mujib Bahini and some Mukti Bahini and subsequently blamed on the Pakistan army. I have always advocated a new approach and understanding to the war.
     
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    One thing I need to highlight here. Few of my observation.
    1) A person needs to first disclose his identity to speak for a certain group.
    2) A person should not pretend to be somebody else and speak as he represent that community.

    Why I am saying that?
    I found few members who are from Urdu/Bihari background and pretend to be Bengali and speak for Bengali and gives misleading inforamation. This is really unethical.
    Yes there are stories from W. Pakistani and Biharies side as well and we love to hear them. But they have to clear their identity first and let us understand the clear picture. Also there are Bengalis who sided with W. Pakistani in 1971 for some ideological reason as well as from their greeds. Those people also need to clear their identity and let us hear their part of the history.
     
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    NBC News reports on 2/20/1972 on genocidal rapes of Bangladeshi women and girls during the Bangladesh Liberation War by pakistan army troops.




    inplace of feeling sorry for the wrongdoing of their army in 1971 , pakistani people now has gone shameless to post misleading theards like this.....
    nothing more to say ...
     
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    I think you will find that the Indians started this game. I have been on this forum longer than you have and the Indians have behaved the most atrociously. Remember that we are members of this forum due to the graciousness and courtesy of the Pakistani owners and moderators. I wish that the Bangladeshi and Indian members would stop abusing the privilege that is being accorded to us. I have been on Indian forums and they have never shown as much toleration.
     
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    Stop yaar!!
    Pakistan and BD are still brothers!
    We only need good leaders from both sides to resolve issues!
     
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