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[livingdead]

Have you found a Historian that actually mentions it ?

Besides to disprove a negative is a logical fallacy hence why proof is required when someone asserts something !

I searched around and found an article in stanford.edu which in turn cites India today.
Am curious why a 'historian's' word should be considered any truer, quite a lot of south asian historian do not have credibility in my view. Are works of historians peer reviewed?

 

[RiazHaq]

Asking someone to become the first Finance Minister of Pakistan is something that crops up in biographies !

A statement is cogent because it is cogent not because no one bothered to rebut it ! A rebuttal was perhaps not given for a myriad reasons not the least of which would be that no one in Pakistan that I've ever heard or read ever heard of an elusive Premji Senior who was offered the post of being Pakistan's First Finance Minister by no-less than the Founder of Pakistan whereas everyone has heard about Malik Ghulam Muhammad's stint at the economic & finance advisor to Liaquat Ali Khan when the latter was the Finance Minister of India & the former had an illustrious career first with Mahindra & Mahindra & later the Nizam of Hyderabad whilst finally being made the First Foreign Minister of Pakistan when Liaquat Ali Khan, whom he had already worked with before as part of the Finance Ministry of India, became the First Prime Minister of Pakistan !

At any rate whom do you suppose should rebut a claim that pops up in tabloids & articles after Premji went big in the '90s & there is no mention of it before that ? If there is please do share the link.

No it doesn't change anything but why mention something that has no evidence, not even circumstantial evidence or hasn't even found itself into credible literature pre the '90s ?

This is a ridiculous claim because Premji's father was a vegetable products vendor and not qualified to be a finance minister. In fact WIPRO stands for Western India Vegetable Products.

 

[livingdead]

This is a ridiculous claim because Premji's father was a vegetable products vendor and not qualified to be a finance minister. In fact WIPRO stands for Western India Vegetable Products.

the claim was about grandfather and not father. His father created WIPRO, whose product was hydrogenated oil. You made him a sabjiwalah. lolz

 

[Armstrong]

I searched around and found an article in stanford.edu which in turn cites India today.
Am curious why a 'historian's' word should be considered any truer, quite a lot of south asian historian do not have credibility in my view. Are works of historians peer reviewed?

The same reason a Political Scientist's word on what is 'Socialism' carries greater credibility than the same being talked about in an Article written by the average Journalist !

Besides usually when it comes to Historians - the good ones have a tendency of referencing it ! I can't ever recall reading about it in any biography of Jinnah Sahib that I've ever read or the few books that I've had the good fortune (and at times the misfortune) of reading on the State Institutions of Pakistan !

So kahiin tou honaaa chahiyeee barring some tabloids or article pieces - Somewhere anywhere ?

 

[livingdead]

The same reason a Political Scientist's word on what is 'Socialism' carries greater credibility than the same being talked about in an Article written by the average Journalist !

Besides usually when it comes to Historians - the good ones have a tendency of referencing it ! I can't ever reading about it in any biography of Jinnah Sahib that I've ever read or the few books that I've had the good fortune (and at times the misfortune) of reading on the State Institutions of Pakistan !

So kahiin tou honaaa chahiyeee barring some tabloids or article pieces - Somewhere anywhere ?

I understand the 'expertise' bit, but here we don't have any expert input(that I know of, quite a lot of history books are not digitized, and I would imagine there is a lack of interest in the subject of premji family from historians). If some eminent historian have categorically denied(mr jinnah never met mr premji), I would have understood your logic of putting expert's view on higher pedestal.

By the way, I am not implying that any assertion made by any journalist is true, simply because no historian has commented on it.
Remember the level of 'proof' required for an historial incident is usually different from that happened recently. A recent incident demands video/image evidence, where as we are pretty happy with few stone inscriptions to describe ashoka. Premji's story is not that old though.
Another point I should make, historians refer to same raw data while writing history as others, people trace their family history without historian getting involved. If journalist has access to same raw data (this is relatively recent incident,), he can publish it.

Which is why, I was asking what is 'acceptable level of truth' for YOU. Will an Indian origin historian do? What if he is found to have nationalist bias in an unrelated article?

In such important matters though, I will trust a non south asian , and as we most probably wont find one, this is just a story for me. case closed.

 

[Armstrong]

I understand the 'expertise' bit, but here we don't have any expert input(that I know of, quite a lot of history books are not digitized, and I would imagine there is a lack of interest in the subject of premji family from historians). If some eminent historian have categorically denied(mr jinnah never met mr premji), I would have understood your logic of putting expert's view on higher pedestal.

By the way, I am not implying that any assertion made by any journalist is true, simply because no historian has commented on it.
Remember the level of 'proof' required for an historial incident is usually different from that happened recently. A recent incident demands video/image evidence, where as we are pretty happy with few stone inscriptions to describe ashoka. Premji's story is not that old though.
Another point I should make, historians refer to same raw data while writing history as others, people trace their family history without historian getting involved. If journalist has access to same raw data (this is relatively recent incident,), he can publish it.

Which is why, I was asking what is 'acceptable level of truth' for YOU. Will an Indian origin historian do? What if he is found to have nationalist bias in an unrelated article?

In such important matters though, I will trust a non south asian , and as we most probably wont find one, this is just a story for me. case closed.

In this case something that can remotely be verified from a neutral source would be acceptable enough for me !

The issue isn't that Premji's Grandpa was the guy but the issue is that Ghulam Muhammad's stint with Liaquat in the Finance Ministry & before that with the Nizam of Hyderabad & later as the first Finance Minister of Pakistan is well documented - That could potentially add up because there is a continuity to suggest why he was made the First Finance Minister of Pakistan, where did Premji come in out of the blue when there is no mention of him in any book I've read or discussion I've heard on the history of the State Institutions of Pakistan, on the development of the Civil Services of Pakistan or on any correspondence that I've ever seen between him & Jinnah Sahib !

I'm not saying that Premji was not made the offer to & that that is an incontrovertible truth but that the balance of probability suggests that to be not the case especially if the very offer is little more than unsubstantiated hearsay without anything to back it up - Even some evidence of an interaction between Premji Sahib & Jinnah Sahib ever would've been nice but I can't even seem to find any evidence for that !