Shame on us

[ajtr]

Shame on us

It can only happen in the Land of the Pure; the Islamic Republic of Bananaistan. The very day it is reported in the national press that a former chief minister of Balochistan appeared in the Supreme Court of Pakistan and demanded the disbandment of the MI/ISI ‘death squads’, it is also reported that Zaid Hamid, the laal topi wallah, who is impendingly going to mount his white charger and gallop off to conquer Delhi’s Red Fort, has ‘hired’ Raja Irshad, the ISI/MI/Pak Army’s favourite lawyer.
Zaid Hamid’s plea is that the SC should form a commission to probe the fact that Nawab Akbar Bugti committed suicide and murdered five army officers too, and was not killed by the army. We are also told that the petition was submitted in the SC a full week before the news was curiously published on the day that it was. Let us also quickly note that Nawab Akbar Bugti, himself a former interior minister of Pakistan and chief minister and governor of Balochistan, was killed on August 26, 2006, almost exactly five years and one month before Zaid Hamid suddenly realised that the Nawab had committed suicide and also murder. In the petition’s words: “In reality he had committed a rebellion, waged a war against the state and his own tribe and when cornered, he committed suicide while also murdered (sic) five army personnel, but these facts have never been reported by the media, never taken up by the courts and the separatists are fully exploiting lies, deceptions and propaganda in the environment (sic) to wage a war (sic) against the state of Pakistan, against the army and against the former members of the government in dangerous times.”
May I remind Zaid Hamid and friends, of reports in the press that Nawab Bugti was killed. Here is just one, published on November 10, 2010 in The News: “In the case of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’s killing, the source said, General (retd) Pervez Musharraf involved the then-Military Intelligence chief Major General Nadeem Ejaz and the top command of 12 Corps”. There are other reports detailing how he was killed, which constraints of space do not allow me to repeat here but let me turn this accusation on its head: what if the Nawab did indeed press the button bringing the cave down onto himself, his personal bodyguard made up of several hundred Bugti fighters and the army officers? Hadn’t this octogenarian, who could hardly walk, been chased into his cave complex by Musharraf’s army? Was he not surrounded completely at the fag end of his life with no rations getting through to him? Far more critically, did Musharraf not say in his brash bully-boy manner that ‘they won’t know what hit them (Bugti)’?
Indeed, it was reported at the time that “Security officials said forces on Friday launched air strikes against a cave complex in the mountains on the border of Dera Bugti and Kohlu districts where the chieftain was hiding”. Musharraf’s then-information minister, now champion democrat, Mohammad Ali Durrani, also said at the time that his death was the result of a ground-cum-air assault. Musharraf himself termed Bugti’s death a ‘victory’ for Pakistanis. What sort of victory was it when the Nawab himself triggered the explosives and killed five SSG officers too? Aren’t they ashamed of rewriting such recent history?
Indeed, the petition uses these words for Nawab Bugti: “… and when cornered …’. Cornered? Cornered? Is this the language that the Deep State’s adjuncts use for political leaders of this country; for a former interior minister, a governor and a chief minister; a Baloch Sardar who believed in Pakistan? Shame on them. And the pauper’s funeral they gave him, his body packed into a rude, locked box, none of his close family there to pay their last respects? Shame on them.
And the denouement: a day after Akhtar Mengal’s explosive statement in the SC and the SC’s harsh admonishment to the ‘death squads’, the pathetic federal and Balochistan governments have gone scurrying into the arms of the Deep State denying there are any death squads at all! So, who is kidnapping and torturing and killing Baloch, Hazara and Settlers?
Djinns in green? Bugs Bunny? Why, Senator Mir Hasil Bizenjo actually said on live TV so many years ago that they even knew the number plates of the double-cabins that belonged to the MI and which carried the thugs who kidnap. Shame on all of us!
Finally, kudos to Nawaz Sharif who has proved he is a statesman by meeting with and empathising with Sardar Mengal.

 

[tarrar]

You need to STFU & stop spreading bullsh*t.

Mind your dam language, don't spoil the name of my country.
Should I say something about India now & spoil their name? & should we talk about what they are doing in Kashmir?

 

[ajtr]

Stop lying about the Baloch issue

Balochistan has hit the news again and as usual, everyone is ‘talking’ about the ‘issue’ and not doing anything. Everyone says that we need to have ‘dialogue’ and grant the Baloch their ‘rights’ but not a single politician is prepared to actually initiate the dialogue or honestly grant them their rights. Every single government has talked about ‘solving’ the issue, but has only aggravated the situation. Why has this happened? One simple reason is that we keep lying to ourselves and the Baloch about simply everything. While the list is long, let me highlight just a few issues which need to be admitted in order to even initiate a solution to the problem.
First, the Baloch insurgency is not new and while it has friends abroad, is not foreign-led. The Baloch have risen in revolt in 1948, 1958, the 1960s, 1973-7, and now since 2005. Five revolts since the inception of Pakistan are a clear indication that this is something significant and local. Yes, it is true that several Baloch leaders have friends in India, but to believe that India has been supporting an insurgency for the last 60 years and has still not been able to dismember Pakistan is simply disingenuous. Official Pakistani versions of history blame India for the separation of East Pakistan, so if India does indeed know how to dismember Pakistan, I wonder why it is not using the same tactics to the same level of success in this case? Therefore, we need to stop passing the buck and accept that the Baloch insurgency is a local issue.
Secondly, distrust of Pakistan, let alone of the Punjabis, and the establishment runs deep in the Baloch psyche. Some opinions hold that the Baloch lands never really wanted to become a part of Pakistan and months of scheming by the latter and pressure on the Khan of Kalat, led to its accession. Also, the Baloch are not simply going to forget that they were the last people to get natural gas from their own lands, and that the royalty for that gas was almost half of what was given elsewhere. They are also not going to forget the thousands of people killed by the Pakistani state since 1948. Resistance against the Pakistani state has almost become part of the Baloch identity and is not easy to shake off. Therefore, Pakistan needs to come up with a new and creative way to deal with the issue. The Baloch might want to remain in Pakistan, but for that to happen, Pakistan needs to create a new dispensation. The current political and constitutional framework has not worked for them and trying to impose it again will not work. A new method needs to be devised, which gives the Baloch maximum autonomy and satisfies their will of self-rule. Pakistan simply needs to understand that keeping people in the federation against their will and without their agreement is not a viable option and will only lead to further internal disintegration and violence.
Thirdly, the government needs to seriously consider the six points elucidated by Akhtar Mengal. The fact that Mengal came to Pakistan from exile to present his case before the Supreme Court shows that he, and I hope other Baloch leaders, are willing to compromise. However, rather than immediately picking up on the six points and meeting Mengal, the government is yet to respond to the points, and the prime minister and the president have yet to meet Mengal. To even begin to solve the issue, the government needs to publicly, unequivocally and substantially, take action on these points.
Fourthly, the issue is at the moment a ‘Baloch’ issue. Due to historic and other reasons, the Pashtuns of Balochistan have not risen up in revolt against Pakistan. However, the current state of the province is affecting the Pashtuns badly and could translate into an armed revolt against Pakistan.
Akhtar Mengal has compared the Baloch situation to that of East Pakistan and has warned of a ‘divorce’ if his sensible plan goes unheeded. We have already suffered a dismemberment of Pakistan; do we really want to bury our heads in the sand, lie and ignore, while only talking about this issue too?

 

[TaimiKhan]

Kamran Shafi ........... the less said the better it would be about him.

 

[ajtr]

Balochistan is burning

Balochistan, the most important part of Pakistan, is on fire — emotionally, socially and politically. In my recent interviews with some Baloch leaders in Karachi, I found a deep sense of grief, alienation and anger with an overlay of traditional Baloch chivalry, honour and commitment to their land and community.
There are reports of young Baloch, mostly students from schools and colleges drawn to the idea of a grand historical Baloch dream, who are found missing by their family and friends — with some of them missing for years. More horrific are the scenes of tortured and mutilated bodies of young Baloch men dumped on the roadside, apparently to send a message to the community.
Baloch leaders are not alone in openly saying that the security forces are responsible for this state of affairs. Human rights organisations, the media and civil society activists have been saying this for a long time. The hearing in the Supreme Court is a welcome sign for the Baloch people and for those who believe in peaceful resolution of conflicts. But that is not enough and it does not offer a solution. The case of missing persons — an intervention that the SC made nearly six years ago — that provoked the generals to fire the chief justice, is yet to produce significant results.
What is the problem in Balochistan and how can we resolve it peacefully is a question that Pakistan’s ruling political parties and persons must have addressed from the day General (retd) Pervez Musharraf, the architect of three wars — Kargil, Fata and Balochistan — was shown the door. He actually started the war in Balochistan when he responded to the Baloch unrest by employing military means rather than addressing the causes of unrest and uprising. In one of his public speeches, he remarked “the Baloch wouldn’t know what hit them”. Anybody familiar with Baloch tradition and culture would know that the Baloch, priding in honour, would never take threats and humiliation lying down. Whatever the official, security-driven narrative is of the unrest in Balochistan, Baloch activists and leaders have hardly any respect for it or care about it. Period.
The Baloch estrangement and resistance has grown quite deep and listening to what has provoked some to take up arms and others to stay out of the political process will be the beginning of a dialogue. It is a good sign that some Baloch leaders are willing to talk. Sardar Akhtar Mengal, a former chief minister of the province, is the latest in presenting the Balochistan case. I have not heard such a concise and candid statement of the problem with an implicit interest in dialogue.
His six points can be the starting point of restoring trust of the Baloch in the federation. These are: ending of overt and covert military operations, recovery of missing persons, disbanding of proxy death squads, non-interference in the functioning of Baloch political parties, trial and prosecution of those responsible for the disappearances and murders of Baloch leaders and activists, and rehabilitation of displaced Baloch persons.
Denial of a problem in Balochistan and blaming outside agencies for the trouble, offers no hope. Rather, this mindset will keep the Baloch fighting and dying with deeper anger against the centre and security forces. Baloch, like any other alienated group anywhere in the world, will seek foreign support and find an abundance of it, given Pakistan’s absolutely irrational, wrong and unworkable foreign policy options within the region. The Balochistan issue has not reached a stage of no return yet, but will fast slip out of our hands. The Baloch are seeking justice, a fair deal, empowerment and autonomy. The first step to reach out to them will be to bring the kidnappers, torturers, murderers and usurpers of Baloch rights to justice.

 

[jabalultariq]

Stop lying about the Baloch issue


Akhtar Mengal has compared the Baloch situation to that of East Pakistan and has warned of a ‘divorce’ if his sensible plan goes unheeded. We have already suffered a dismemberment of Pakistan; do we really want to bury our heads in the sand, lie and ignore, while only talking about this issue too?

If this issue is'nt solved which has been seething since my school days (60's) in Quetta ( there used to be nationalistic grafitti in my school which I understood zilch) then unfortunately with the assistance from US , it will become an international issue !!!

 

[jha]

If this issue is'nt solved which has been seething since my school days (60's) in Quetta ( there used to be nationalistic grafitti in my school which I understood zilch) then unfortunately with the assistance from US , it will become an international issue !!!

Pakistan still has two more years before US becomes active in this regard.

Anyone who wants to disown Sradars to improve the Baloch situation is simply naive ( more like a stupid ). Sardars are the leaders of Baloch people. You will have to take them on board if you want to find a solution. But the way things are, I dont see the situation improving in near future.

 

[Imran Khan]

only on you OP not all of us

You need to STFU & stop spreading bullsh*t.

Mind your dam language, don't spoil the name of my country.
Should I say something about India now & spoil their name? & should we talk about what they are doing in Kashmir?

Kuch logoon ko beizat hony ka shok hota hai she is one of them her jaga se beizati her thread se beizati

 

[ajtr]

Balochistan imbroglio: Nawaz warns ‘hidden powers’ against rigging polls

LAHORE: Voicing his support for a political solution to the Balochistan conundrum, PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif has warned that the fluid security situation in the province will worsen if “hidden powers” tried to influence the next parliamentary election.
Following a meeting with Jamhoori Watan Party (JWP) leader Talal Bugti in Raiwind, the PML-N chief said political forces should be given a chance to play a role in restoring normalcy in Balochistan.
During the meeting, the two leaders agreed to convince all Baloch nationalists to contest the next election. They also discussed the possibility of a future electoral alliance between their parties.
The two leaders also devised a future course of action in the province and recommended steps for the federal government to implement immediately.
“If a fake leadership is imposed through the general election in Balochistan, the security situation will worsen,” Nawaz told a joint press conference with Talal Bugti.
The PML-N chief supported the six-point formula of former Balochistan chief minister Sardar Akthar Mengal, saying the federal government should take Pakistan Army on board before taking any step to resolve the crisis.
“It is a welcome note that Baloch political parties that boycotted the last election, despite being wounded by the state institution, still have belief in the democratic process and the judiciary, and are willing to solve the current situation politically,” said Nawaz.
The PML-N chief said the next elections were “a ray of hope” for the people of Balochistan and stressed the importance of them being free, fair and transparent.
Talal’s warning
On his part, Talal Bugti criticised the role of the paramilitary Frontier Corps (FC) in Balochistan and hinted that if the PML-N and Baloch political parties failed to contest the elections under one banner, the current regime was likely to come to power again.
He went on to add that an alliance was necessary to stop corrupt politicians from coming to power. Talal Bugti suggested that voluntary withdrawal of the FC, Inter-Services Intelligence and Military Intelligence from the province would help defuse the situation.
According to him, Balochistan’s four gas fields provided an opportunity for the army to enter Balochistan in the name of protecting security installations.

 

[ajtr]

only on you OP not all of us



Kuch logoon ko beizat hony ka shok hota hai she is one of them her jaga se beizati her thread se beizati

Dada Ji,
Be-izzati ke darr se voices to nahi dabai ja sakati na..

 

[474474]

Our media is getting more and more fcked up. You do realize most of us live together and go to school together and work together, so you ignorant indians can take your bs elsewhere