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In your opinon why has the state -

1. Allowed this problem to reach where it is now
2. Not told the Arabs to stop terror financing
3. Not taking decisive action
The answers to all your questions are in the picture:

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The picture is from my classic collection. In the picture, sectarian terrorist Azam Tariq, an Arab (most probably a financier), the grand nanny of Taliban, Sami ul Haq, and former ISI chief, our great Gen. Hameed Gul, are all smiles.
 
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In your opinon why has the state -

1. Allowed this problem to reach where it is now
2. Not told the Arabs to stop terror financing
3. Not taking decisive action

Military establishment was previously running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. SSP/ASWJ was originally spawned and patronized by the Gen Zia regime to serve as a proxy for the establishment's Saudi benefactors intent on targeting Shias. LeJ has been used to target Baluch insurgents by the establishment in recent years during the Kayani era despite the fact that 5 of the 10 terrorists who attacked GHQ were from LeJ. Since their alliance in 2005, LeJ forms the backbone of the punjab-based arm of the TTP.

Fortunately, things have changed under the new military leadership. Clarity has dawned. Just last week, the army chief alluded to three elements in the NAP that need to be implemented on a war footing. Madrassa reforms, dismantling sectarian outfits and curbing foreign funding for such groups. Decisive action is coming and soon.
 
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In your opinon why has the state -

1. Allowed this problem to reach where it is now
2. Not told the Arabs to stop terror financing
3. Not taking decisive action


Hi,

Because of poverty and financial constraints----but to top it off---I don't give a shit attitude by the head of state.
 
They are, but now they are getting the taste of their own venomous medicine.
 
DAWN

KARACHI: Investigators probing the first attack claimed in Pakistan by the Islamic State group believe a notorious local sectarian group may have carried out the massacre as it seeks to expand its ties to the Middle East.Gunmen stormed a bus in Karachi last month, killing 45 members of the Ismaili minority community in one of the deadliest incidents in Pakistan this year.

The slaughter was swiftly claimed by ISIS, marking the first time the militants, who have seized control of large areas of Iraq and Syria and declared a “caliphate”, said they were behind an attack in Pakistan.Islamabad has officially denied that ISIS is operating in Pakistan, which has been wracked by Al Qaeda and Taliban linked violence for more than a decade.

But investigators believe the attack may have been carried out by the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-i-Jhangvi (LJ) as it seeks to expand its international influence — and get access to ISIS's rich funding.
LJ has emerged as the bloodiest and most ruthless anti-Shia outfit in Pakistan, which has seen a rise in sectarian attacks in recent years, mostly targeting Shias, who make up 20 per cent of the population.
“We are investigating the LJ connection behind the attack and one of the arrested suspects is linked to LJ,” a security official involved in the probe told AFP on condition of anonymity.

“LJ wanted to gain attention of IS for its financial needs and the attack on Ismailis provided the perfect choice as it got international attention."

Returning fighters

Senior intelligence officials and militant sources say LJ cadres have fought in Syria and returned inspired by ISIS, which has won global notoriety for its brutality and slick propaganda operation.The returned fighters are working with a new generation of middle-class, educated, self-radicalised 'jihadists' to try to raise the black flag of the ISIS “caliphate” in Pakistan.

An intelligence officer who has tracked LJ for years said the group, based in the southern part of Punjab, had sent hundreds of fighters to Syria.
“The new cadre of militants going to Syria and Iraq, these militants are mostly educated people with middle-class backgrounds,” the intelligence officer told AFP.

Over the past decade the patchwork of militant groups that make up the Pakistani Taliban have largely focused on waging a domestic campaign against the government and armed forces.

But a former LJ militant who produces online propaganda material for terror groups said for young militants in Pakistan, all the talk now is of ISIS and the Middle East.
“Many jihadists particularly from Punjab went to fight in Syria and some died,” he said.

“Unlike the past, news from Syria, Iraq and Yemen is the most debated and shared item on extremist-militant forums in Pakistan." Security analyst Amir Rana said. LJ had fighters in Iraq since 2013, and even set up a training camp there.“The Salafi/Wahabi ideological and operational association between Pakistani militant groups and ISIS is not new, Pakistani militants were part of ISIS since its inception,” he told AFP.

“The actual threat for Pakistan is the return of LJ militants fighting in Iraq and Syria, as they would add to the sectarian violence here."

Silent surge

LJ, founded in 1996, a militant arm of ASWJ (formerly known as Sipah Sahaba), has been behind some of the worst attacks on Shias in Pakistan's history, including two huge bombings in the southwestern city of Quetta in 2013 that together killed nearly 200 people.

The security official said the group was now seeking to expand its operations.
“LJ is growing from an anti-Shia organisation to an organisation with trans-national interests,” he said.The group has been accused of carrying out attacks in Afghanistan and has also begun targeting Sunni Barelvis, Christians, Hindus and other Muslim sects.


“For the last two years, there is evidence that the organisation is involved in attacking minorities in urban centres where they have established strong bases, especially in Karachi,” he said.“But LJ has claimed responsibility for hardly any of those incidents — usually militant organisations with no structural or organisational existence have claimed responsibility for attacks carried out by LJ,” he added.

He said LJ maintained a strict cellular structure, with individuals in one unit unaware of the existence of others, and sometimes drew militants from other groups for specific missions.

According to a Reuters report, the LeJ by 2004 had became a powerful terrorist organization with increasing support from Al Qaeda. The new, never-before-known expertise of LeJ cadres proficient in bomb-making and suicide bombings came from the same source. With time, the LeJ had established its contacts with extremists in Pakistan’s tribal areas (FATA). The new ‘friends’ were mainly Uzbek, belonging to the notorious Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) who had taken refuge in Pakistan’s tribal areas as US operations in Afghanistan continued.

With the formation of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in 2007, many of the LeJ’s factions started operating in urban areas under its umbrella. The rise of an insurgency in FATA and a sudden increase in terrorist attacks all over Pakistan proved to be very beneficial for the LeJ as the main concentration of Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) was diverted towards fighting the more powerful rebellion of the TTP. The LeJ’s undeclared alliance with the TTP came to limelight when the responsibility for 2008 Marriott hotel bombing in Islamabad was claimed by the TTP.

When TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed in 2009, Hakimullah Mehsud took over. He is credited with forming a proper alliance with the LeJ. Under his command, the TTP began targeting minority sects in tribal areas and claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on Shias. But the major joint terror strike by the TTP and LeJ was witnessed in 2009 which was a first-of-its-kind and took the entire nation by surprise.

It was the siege of Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters or the GHQ in the garrison city of Rawalpindi. 5 out of 10 terrorists who stormed the GHQ belonged to Punjab-based extremist organisations, mainly the LeJ; the other 5 belonged to the TTP. A successful special forces hostage rescue operation ended the siege, but resulted in the martyrdom of two SSG commandos and two civilians.

THE SAUDI CONNECTION

In the Punjab town of Jhang, LeJ’s birthplace, SSP/ASWJ leader Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi describes what he says are Tehran’s grand designs. Iranian consular offices and cultural centers, he alleges, are actually a front for its intelligence agencies.

“If Iranian interference continues it will destroy this country,” said Ludhianvi in an interview in his home. The state provides him with armed guards, fearful any harm done to him could trigger sectarian bloodletting.

Ludhianvi insisted he was just a politician. “I would like to tell you that I am not a murderer, I am not a killer, I am not a terrorist. We are a political party.”

After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the ASWJ and other groups.

“Of course, Saudi Arabia supports these groups. They want to keep Iranian influence in check in Pakistan, so they pay,” the Pakistani cleric said. His account squared with that of a Pakistani intelligence agent, who said jailed militants had confessed that LeJ received Saudi funding.
 
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The answers to all your questions are in the picture:

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The picture is from my classic collection. In the picture, sectarian terrorist Azam Tariq, an Arab (most probably a financier), the grand nanny of Taliban, Sami ul Haq, and former ISI chief, our great Gen. Hameed Gul, are all smiles.

Why not Pakistan ban these Religious political parties.

DAWN

KARACHI: Investigators probing the first attack claimed in Pakistan by the Islamic State group believe a notorious local sectarian group may have carried out the massacre as it seeks to expand its ties to the Middle East.Gunmen stormed a bus in Karachi last month, killing 45 members of the Ismaili minority community in one of the deadliest incidents in Pakistan this year.

The slaughter was swiftly claimed by ISIS, marking the first time the militants, who have seized control of large areas of Iraq and Syria and declared a “caliphate”, said they were behind an attack in Pakistan.Islamabad has officially denied that ISIS is operating in Pakistan, which has been wracked by Al Qaeda and Taliban linked violence for more than a decade.

But investigators believe the attack may have been carried out by the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-i-Jhangvi (LJ) as it seeks to expand its international influence — and get access to ISIS's rich funding.
LJ has emerged as the bloodiest and most ruthless anti-Shia outfit in Pakistan, which has seen a rise in sectarian attacks in recent years, mostly targeting Shias, who make up 20 per cent of the population.
“We are investigating the LJ connection behind the attack and one of the arrested suspects is linked to LJ,” a security official involved in the probe told AFP on condition of anonymity.

“LJ wanted to gain attention of IS for its financial needs and the attack on Ismailis provided the perfect choice as it got international attention."

Returning fighters

Senior intelligence officials and militant sources say LJ cadres have fought in Syria and returned inspired by ISIS, which has won global notoriety for its brutality and slick propaganda operation.The returned fighters are working with a new generation of middle-class, educated, self-radicalised 'jihadists' to try to raise the black flag of the ISIS “caliphate” in Pakistan.

An intelligence officer who has tracked LJ for years said the group, based in the southern part of Punjab, had sent hundreds of fighters to Syria.
“The new cadre of militants going to Syria and Iraq, these militants are mostly educated people with middle-class backgrounds,” the intelligence officer told AFP.

Over the past decade the patchwork of militant groups that make up the Pakistani Taliban have largely focused on waging a domestic campaign against the government and armed forces.

But a former LJ militant who produces online propaganda material for terror groups said for young militants in Pakistan, all the talk now is of ISIS and the Middle East.
“Many jihadists particularly from Punjab went to fight in Syria and some died,” he said.

“Unlike the past, news from Syria, Iraq and Yemen is the most debated and shared item on extremist-militant forums in Pakistan." Security analyst Amir Rana said. LJ had fighters in Iraq since 2013, and even set up a training camp there.“The Salafi/Wahabi ideological and operational association between Pakistani militant groups and ISIS is not new, Pakistani militants were part of ISIS since its inception,” he told AFP.

“The actual threat for Pakistan is the return of LJ militants fighting in Iraq and Syria, as they would add to the sectarian violence here."

Silent surge

LJ, founded in 1996, a militant arm of ASWJ (formerly known as Sipah Sahaba), has been behind some of the worst attacks on Shias in Pakistan's history, including two huge bombings in the southwestern city of Quetta in 2013 that together killed nearly 200 people.

The security official said the group was now seeking to expand its operations.
“LJ is growing from an anti-Shia organisation to an organisation with trans-national interests,” he said.The group has been accused of carrying out attacks in Afghanistan and has also begun targeting Sunni Barelvis, Christians, Hindus and other Muslim sects.


“For the last two years, there is evidence that the organisation is involved in attacking minorities in urban centres where they have established strong bases, especially in Karachi,” he said.“But LJ has claimed responsibility for hardly any of those incidents — usually militant organisations with no structural or organisational existence have claimed responsibility for attacks carried out by LJ,” he added.

He said LJ maintained a strict cellular structure, with individuals in one unit unaware of the existence of others, and sometimes drew militants from other groups for specific missions.

According to a Reuters report, the LeJ by 2004 had became a powerful terrorist organization with increasing support from Al Qaeda. The new, never-before-known expertise of LeJ cadres proficient in bomb-making and suicide bombings came from the same source. With time, the LeJ had established its contacts with extremists in Pakistan’s tribal areas (FATA). The new ‘friends’ were mainly Uzbek, belonging to the notorious Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) who had taken refuge in Pakistan’s tribal areas as US operations in Afghanistan continued.

With the formation of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in 2007, many of the LeJ’s factions started operating in urban areas under its umbrella. The rise of an insurgency in FATA and a sudden increase in terrorist attacks all over Pakistan proved to be very beneficial for the LeJ as the main concentration of Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) was diverted towards fighting the more powerful rebellion of the TTP. The LeJ’s undeclared alliance with the TTP came to limelight when the responsibility for 2008 Marriott hotel bombing in Islamabad was claimed by the TTP.

When TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed in 2009, Hakimullah Mehsud took over. He is credited with forming a proper alliance with the LeJ. Under his command, the TTP began targeting minority sects in tribal areas and claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on Shias. But the major joint terror strike by the TTP and LeJ was witnessed in 2009 which was a first-of-its-kind and took the entire nation by surprise.

It was the siege of Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters or the GHQ in the garrison city of Rawalpindi. 5 out of 10 terrorists who stormed the GHQ belonged to Punjab-based extremist organisations, mainly the LeJ; the other 5 belonged to the TTP. A successful special forces hostage rescue operation ended the siege, but resulted in the martyrdom of two SSG commandos and two civilians.

THE SAUDI CONNECTION

In the Punjab town of Jhang, LeJ’s birthplace, SSP/ASWJ leader Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi describes what he says are Tehran’s grand designs. Iranian consular offices and cultural centers, he alleges, are actually a front for its intelligence agencies.

“If Iranian interference continues it will destroy this country,” said Ludhianvi in an interview in his home. The state provides him with armed guards, fearful any harm done to him could trigger sectarian bloodletting.

Ludhianvi insisted he was just a politician. “I would like to tell you that I am not a murderer, I am not a killer, I am not a terrorist. We are a political party.”

After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the ASWJ and other groups.

“Of course, Saudi Arabia supports these groups. They want to keep Iranian influence in check in Pakistan, so they pay,” the Pakistani cleric said. His account squared with that of a Pakistani intelligence agent, who said jailed militants had confessed that LeJ received Saudi funding.

Zardari Govt. should come back and Nawaz should again leave the country.
 
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DAWN

KARACHI: Investigators probing the first attack claimed in Pakistan by the Islamic State group believe a notorious local sectarian group may have carried out the massacre as it seeks to expand its ties to the Middle East.Gunmen stormed a bus in Karachi last month, killing 45 members of the Ismaili minority community in one of the deadliest incidents in Pakistan this year.

The slaughter was swiftly claimed by ISIS, marking the first time the militants, who have seized control of large areas of Iraq and Syria and declared a “caliphate”, said they were behind an attack in Pakistan.Islamabad has officially denied that ISIS is operating in Pakistan, which has been wracked by Al Qaeda and Taliban linked violence for more than a decade.

But investigators believe the attack may have been carried out by the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-i-Jhangvi (LJ) as it seeks to expand its international influence — and get access to ISIS's rich funding.
LJ has emerged as the bloodiest and most ruthless anti-Shia outfit in Pakistan, which has seen a rise in sectarian attacks in recent years, mostly targeting Shias, who make up 20 per cent of the population.
“We are investigating the LJ connection behind the attack and one of the arrested suspects is linked to LJ,” a security official involved in the probe told AFP on condition of anonymity.

“LJ wanted to gain attention of IS for its financial needs and the attack on Ismailis provided the perfect choice as it got international attention."

Returning fighters

Senior intelligence officials and militant sources say LJ cadres have fought in Syria and returned inspired by ISIS, which has won global notoriety for its brutality and slick propaganda operation.The returned fighters are working with a new generation of middle-class, educated, self-radicalised 'jihadists' to try to raise the black flag of the ISIS “caliphate” in Pakistan.

An intelligence officer who has tracked LJ for years said the group, based in the southern part of Punjab, had sent hundreds of fighters to Syria.
“The new cadre of militants going to Syria and Iraq, these militants are mostly educated people with middle-class backgrounds,” the intelligence officer told AFP.

Over the past decade the patchwork of militant groups that make up the Pakistani Taliban have largely focused on waging a domestic campaign against the government and armed forces.

But a former LJ militant who produces online propaganda material for terror groups said for young militants in Pakistan, all the talk now is of ISIS and the Middle East.
“Many jihadists particularly from Punjab went to fight in Syria and some died,” he said.

“Unlike the past, news from Syria, Iraq and Yemen is the most debated and shared item on extremist-militant forums in Pakistan." Security analyst Amir Rana said. LJ had fighters in Iraq since 2013, and even set up a training camp there.“The Salafi/Wahabi ideological and operational association between Pakistani militant groups and ISIS is not new, Pakistani militants were part of ISIS since its inception,” he told AFP.

“The actual threat for Pakistan is the return of LJ militants fighting in Iraq and Syria, as they would add to the sectarian violence here."

Silent surge

LJ, founded in 1996, a militant arm of ASWJ (formerly known as Sipah Sahaba), has been behind some of the worst attacks on Shias in Pakistan's history, including two huge bombings in the southwestern city of Quetta in 2013 that together killed nearly 200 people.

The security official said the group was now seeking to expand its operations.
“LJ is growing from an anti-Shia organisation to an organisation with trans-national interests,” he said.The group has been accused of carrying out attacks in Afghanistan and has also begun targeting Sunni Barelvis, Christians, Hindus and other Muslim sects.


“For the last two years, there is evidence that the organisation is involved in attacking minorities in urban centres where they have established strong bases, especially in Karachi,” he said.“But LJ has claimed responsibility for hardly any of those incidents — usually militant organisations with no structural or organisational existence have claimed responsibility for attacks carried out by LJ,” he added.

He said LJ maintained a strict cellular structure, with individuals in one unit unaware of the existence of others, and sometimes drew militants from other groups for specific missions.

According to a Reuters report, the LeJ by 2004 had became a powerful terrorist organization with increasing support from Al Qaeda. The new, never-before-known expertise of LeJ cadres proficient in bomb-making and suicide bombings came from the same source. With time, the LeJ had established its contacts with extremists in Pakistan’s tribal areas (FATA). The new ‘friends’ were mainly Uzbek, belonging to the notorious Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) who had taken refuge in Pakistan’s tribal areas as US operations in Afghanistan continued.

With the formation of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in 2007, many of the LeJ’s factions started operating in urban areas under its umbrella. The rise of an insurgency in FATA and a sudden increase in terrorist attacks all over Pakistan proved to be very beneficial for the LeJ as the main concentration of Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) was diverted towards fighting the more powerful rebellion of the TTP. The LeJ’s undeclared alliance with the TTP came to limelight when the responsibility for 2008 Marriott hotel bombing in Islamabad was claimed by the TTP.

When TTP chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed in 2009, Hakimullah Mehsud took over. He is credited with forming a proper alliance with the LeJ. Under his command, the TTP began targeting minority sects in tribal areas and claimed responsibility for numerous attacks on Shias. But the major joint terror strike by the TTP and LeJ was witnessed in 2009 which was a first-of-its-kind and took the entire nation by surprise.

It was the siege of Pakistan Army’s General Headquarters or the GHQ in the garrison city of Rawalpindi. 5 out of 10 terrorists who stormed the GHQ belonged to Punjab-based extremist organisations, mainly the LeJ; the other 5 belonged to the TTP. A successful special forces hostage rescue operation ended the siege, but resulted in the martyrdom of two SSG commandos and two civilians.

THE SAUDI CONNECTION

In the Punjab town of Jhang, LeJ’s birthplace, SSP/ASWJ leader Maulana Mohammad Ahmed Ludhianvi describes what he says are Tehran’s grand designs. Iranian consular offices and cultural centers, he alleges, are actually a front for its intelligence agencies.

“If Iranian interference continues it will destroy this country,” said Ludhianvi in an interview in his home. The state provides him with armed guards, fearful any harm done to him could trigger sectarian bloodletting.

Ludhianvi insisted he was just a politician. “I would like to tell you that I am not a murderer, I am not a killer, I am not a terrorist. We are a political party.”

After a meal of chicken, curry and spinach, Ludhianvi and his aides stood up to warmly welcome a visitor: Saudi Arabia-based cleric Malik Abdul Haq al-Meqqi.

A Pakistani cleric knowledgeable about Sunni groups described Meqqi as a middleman between Saudi donors and intelligence agencies and the LeJ, the ASWJ and other groups.

“Of course, Saudi Arabia supports these groups. They want to keep Iranian influence in check in Pakistan, so they pay,” the Pakistani cleric said. His account squared with that of a Pakistani intelligence agent, who said jailed militants had confessed that LeJ received Saudi funding.



I am utterly confused. Is it Raw or is it Saudi donors who are sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan. Or Saudi donors are funding Raw and that fund in turn goes to extremist or vise versa !!!

confusion!!! Confusion !!!
 
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I am utterly confused. Is it Raw or is it Saudi donors who are sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan.

confusion!!! Confusion !!!

The answer is... both.

Saudis are bankrolling the larger salafi militant campaign raging across the country, foot soldiered by TTP, LeJ, ASWJ and other jihadi splinter groups looking to destabilize the state.

RAW tends to primarily fund the Baloch separatists with some support for select terrorist groups active in urban centers.
 
The answer is... both.

Saudis are bankrolling the larger salafi militant campaign raging across the country, foot soldiered by TTP, LeJ, ASWJ and other jihadi splinter groups looking to destabilize the state.

RAW tends to primarily fund the Baloch separatists with some support for select terrorist groups active in urban centers.

Understood. Raw activities (as per you) are limited to Baluchistan movement. Saudi is supporting to rest of the extremists.

But as per news paper info most of your major terror events are done by TTP/LeJ including cowardly Peshawar attack on kids. As per you they are all done by ME fund. Why few Pakistanis also blame India/RAW for that?

Your army head said lot of things about India. He should have the guts to criticize the Saudi patronage to your majority terror events with same vigor
 
It's a Saudi gene in him that is malfunctioning...... no way to remove it other than euthanasia........ what are the laws on getting rid of terrorist sympathizer nowadays in Pakistan? I think they're pretty supportive of the issue, lately........ :D


My clan? :lol: did you mother feed you hatred .. or is it genetic?

OK..

So no saudi citizen supports terrorism?
 
The Nation

Leaked Saudi diplomatic cables reveal that the country’s embassy in Islamabad remained in touch with the Haqqani network and also helped arrange a visit for the militant group’s leader for medical treatment. Leaks suggest Jalaluddin Haqqani carried a Saudi passport.

Nasiruddin Haqqani, one of the sons of Haqqani network chief Jalaluddin Haqqani, travelled frequently to Saudi Arabia between 2004 and 2009. He wasn’t killed in a remote part of Afghanistan or Pakistan; on the contrary, he was shot in Islamabad. Just like Osama bin Laden, he must have been on the radar of Pakistani intelligence. Was the radar friendly or foe? Has our security policy changed? Pakistan has come under international criticism for its links with the Haqqani network. The US State Department report ‘Country Reports on Terrorism 2014’ says that the network leadership “continued to find safe haven in Pakistan”.

The Saudis have denied their hand in spreading international terrorism and no one has been able to call them out on it. Pakistan is caught between divine Kings and a patriotic British citizen. It is hard enough to dismantle domestic crime and political mafias when foreign funded activity is making the situation harder to understand and tackle. Pakistani sense of justice is selective, and when it comes to religion, we have been apologists for terrorists and religiously motivated hate-speech for too long. As such documents come up, exposing new links, Pakistan has to be cautious about the relationship. Saudi Arabia has long been considered a "friend", yet, Pakistani safety and sovereignty comes first.

What is important right now is to have intelligence on Saudi funding of terrorist movements, as well as public awareness that India is not the only country supporting violent activity on Pakistani soil. For now, Pakistan can only fight the scourge on its territory, breaking the network in a long war. This requires closing and securing the border with Afghanistan, an investigation into the funds of various religious groups, parties and charities to stem the tide of Saudi money, and efforts to apprehend all those associated with the Haqqanis, the TTP and the likes.
 
Ayaz Amir

Israeli anger is easily understood. Anything that makes life easier for Iran is anathema to Israel. The nuclear deal which puts a cap on Iran’s nuclear programme for the next 15 years in return for the lifting of sanctions allows Iran to break out of its international isolation.

We should be clear about the basics. For Israel the mortal enemy is not the world of Islam. This is a fairy tale whose time has gone. With its Arab neighbours, except for Shiite dominated Syria, Israel happily coexists. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, have no problem with Israel and Israel none with them.

The mortal enemy is Shiite Iran, and Shiite Hezbollah and Alawite Syria (the only Sunni entity hostile to Israel is Hamas). So how can Israel like an agreement which brings Iran out of the wilderness in which it has existed since its 1979 revolution?

But the Saudi ruling family too is upset because old certainties stand destroyed and that comfortable world in which Iran was always the outsider has been upended.

The spread of Iranian influence across the region – Iran with a foot in Syria, Iran backing Hezbollah, Iran helping defend the beleaguered Baghdad regime against the advancing Daesh or the Islamic state – was already proving too much for the Saudis. And now Iran acquires international respectability. Able to resume oil exports in full it will have more money in its coffers. Our Saudi friends merit sympathy. Living in another world they have yet to figure out how to respond to this challenge.

The Republican Party doesn’t like this deal. Friends of Israel don’t like it. But they can only fume and fret. President Obama has invested too much in it. This is something which, despite the histrionics, is not going to go away. The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and our Saudi friends will have to provide what solace they can to each other.

Libya was the last frontier, the last country that the west and ‘conservative’ Islam were able to jointly destroy. (What good its destruction did them is not easy to understand.) Their next target was Syria. Death and destruction have been visited on that country but Bashar al-Assad, tougher than anyone had imagined he could be, has stood his ground. One of the indirect consequences of the Iran deal is that it will be all the harder to bring al-Assad down.
Our Arab friends are not getting it. Threatening them is not Bashar al-Assad. It is not Hezbollah. It is not even Iran. What threatens them is the rise of the Islamic State, which is setting itself up as the champion of Sunni Islam. The Saudis therefore are grappling with the wrong ghosts. They are the custodians of the Two Holy Mosques. May the Mosques bring them greater wisdom.

For Pakistan this is not a moment of danger but one of immense possibilities. For the first time in 30 or 35 years Pakistan is engaged in no external adventure. It is caught up in no external ‘jihad’. It lived through the fever of religious extremism and is now in the process of getting this fever out of its system.

The love affair with Wahhabi Islam has abated. Please don’t get me wrong. The paraphernalia of bigotry and extremism is in place – our madressahs still unique settings for the acquisition of a narrow-minded salafist view of the world. But with the army in the throes of a mental turnaround Wahhabi or Salafist Islam, which fuelled and sustained extremism, has lost its exalted status.


The godfather of all these perverse wahhabi-inspired doctrines – doctrines that we embraced from our first involvement in Afghanistan beginning with that commander of the faithful, Gen Ziaul Haq – was the army. With the army executing an about-turn, ‘jihadist’ Islam in Pakistan has lost its protective cover. The military-mullah nexus which caused the country such harm stands finally broken.

The various maulanas of this or that school are still around. But they are losing their bite and relevance. This is also true of such officially-anointed soldiers of ‘jihad’ as Hafiz Muhammad Saeed. He is slowly being allowed to turn into an item in a museum. Who can stop him from holding rallies in defence of Kashmir or Saudi Arabia? Such stirring events add colour to our politics.

Just a year ago – if we only care to remember – it was the national fashion to appease the Taliban and to portray them as supreme messengers of peace, even when they were bombing churches and mosques and slitting the throats of our soldiers. But only because the army decided to go after the Taliban, the change in national fashion has been dramatic, former appeasers-in-chief casting aside their robes and clambering aboard the war chariot.
Don’t expect the Pakistani liberati to show much sympathy for these mental adjustments. For historical reasons – Pakistan’s frequent descents into martial law – one of the central tenets of Pakistani liberalism was army-bashing…taking on the ‘national security state’. It has taken a long time for the army to get over its love affair with Wahhabi Islam. It will take some time for the liberati to look at the ‘national security state’ with anything approaching a normal frame of mind.

Experiencing the fever of extremism and then surviving it, means that we are now inoculated. Our body is tougher. Libya is no longer a functioning state. There is war in Iraq, civil war in Syria. And Afghanistan remains in turmoil. Our troubles once upon a time looked greater. We could very well have gone the way of Syria and Iraq…and no one would have come to our rescue, and our nukes would have been of no help. But we have come through those storms. Our ship could have been wrecked but it survives.

Pakistan is stronger as a result of these trials. The army is battle-hardened, its ongoing war against extremism a more toughening experience than all the wars with India.
 
Wikileaks Cable

While the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) takes seriously the threat of terrorism within Saudi Arabia, it has been an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority. Due in part to intense focus by the USG over the last several years, Saudi Arabia has begun to make important progress on this front and has responded to terrorist financing concerns raised by the United States through proactively investigating and detaining financial facilitators of concern. Still, donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Salafi terrorist groups worldwide. Continued senior-level USG engagement is needed to build on initial efforts and encourage the Saudi government to take more steps to stem the flow of funds from Saudi Arabia-based sources to terrorists and extremists worldwide.

(S/NF) The USG engages regularly with the Saudi Government on terrorist financing. The establishment in 2008 of a Treasury attache office presence in Riyadh contributes to robust interaction and information sharing on the issue. Despite this presence, however, more needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa’ida, the TTP, LeT, and other terrorist groups, including Hamas, which probably raise millions of dollars annually from Saudi sources, often during Hajj and Ramadan. In contrast to its increasingly aggressive efforts to disrupt al-Qa’ida’s access to funding from Saudi sources, Riyadh has taken only limited action to disrupt fundraising for the UN 1267-listed TTP and LeT-groups that are also aligned with al-Qa’ida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (S/NF) Saudi Arabia has enacted important reforms to criminalize terrorist financing and restrict the overseas flow of funds from Saudi-based charities. However, these restrictions fail to include &multilateral organizations8 such as XXXXXXXXXXXX Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas. In 2002, the Saudi government promised to set up a &Charities Committee8 that would address this issue, but has yet to do so. The establishment of such a mechanism, however, is secondary to the primary U.S. goal of obtaining Saudi acknowledgement of the scope of this problem and a commitment to take decisive action.

Who else fund these groups! Not Pakistani people or is it the ISI?

Which Family is worried about it survival and they have unlimited funds!
 

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