Russia & Pakistan's Growing Engagement

Discussion in 'Strategic & Foreign Affairs' started by Spring Onion, May 6, 2011.

  1. Obambam

    Obambam SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2011
    Messages:
    3,644
    Ratings:
    +0 / 3,655 / -0
    Country:
    China
    Location:
    China
    LOL.. exactly. That's why it is essential to have a counter balance. Then again I don't think India, China, Russia etc are aggressively out of control and hellbent on conquering its neighbours. It's not in our mindset to do so. We are only interested in growth and securing our future within the region.
    By the way, please don't call our Nihonjin counterparts 'japs' as it is derogatory. :cheers:
     
  2. Paan Singh

    Paan Singh BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2010
    Messages:
    7,642
    Ratings:
    +0 / 6,880 / -0
    i admire ur post,i also think to throw them out of asia but actually conditions are not easy as we r thinking..even russia is becoming partner of usa on many issues..so even i doubt at the success of sco in future..
    and i think,indo-china problems are nothing...they can be solved in a day..but chinese are doubtful abt india and indians are clear abt chinese support to pakistan against india..so let see,where we go.
     
  3. Obambam

    Obambam SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2011
    Messages:
    3,644
    Ratings:
    +0 / 3,655 / -0
    Country:
    China
    Location:
    China
    Defensive blocs already exist and whether the west or India like it or not, it will continue to exist.
    I made the statement that India needs to accept that politics aren't something that is inscribed on to stone. It is forever changing. I know India and Pakistan aren't exactly friendly with one another. But India can't do anything if Russia wants to cooperate with Pakistan in the future, in fact it is already happening.

    As for the level of distrust between Russia and the U.S. I think the history and current political affair speaks for itself.
     
  4. Butters

    Butters SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,289
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,938 / -0
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    Ireland
    Defensive blocs to a certain extent do exist but it's not the same as it was during the cold-war era. I don't think we'll ever see the day where it will be Russia+Pakistan vs the US. If anything, I would think that Pakistan would prefer to play either sides off against each other. On the other hand, I doubt the Russians would be interested. I mean, what exactly can Pakistan offer to Russia? The only thing I can think of is a anti-US mindset and it's not exactly like the Russians are out looking for this.

    And yes, it's true that India can't do anything if the Russians do choose to pursue a relationship with Pakistan but this will hardly affect India as it's highly unlikely that Russia would support anything anti-India.
     
  5. nick_indian

    nick_indian SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2010
    Messages:
    7,434
    Ratings:
    +3 / 8,737 / -13
    Ok for the first bolded part , i made it clear in my earlier post that Russia will not enter into an alliance with China against the West . Russia west relations are not the same as they used to be in the cold war era . They have improved vastly and they now actually have much in common vis-a-vis Afghanistan and Terrorism . You need to get out of that mindset plus the relations between China and Russia are still not that great for them to be a part of any alliance .

    For the second bolded part , I have made it clear earlier as well India has no problems if Russia co-operates with Pakistan on any other area except defence and military and that for obvious reasons. Russia wont do it I am pretty sure no matter how much you and Pakistan may want that .

    As for the third part my reply is the same as for the first part . cold war ended 20 years ago . Americans and Russians who were at the centre of it seem to be already over it but some Chinese clearly are not . Strange !
     
  6. saad445566

    saad445566 SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,295
    Ratings:
    +1 / 1,073 / -8
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Canada
    The thing I fear the most--What if besharam generals start to blackmail Amrika that if you do not fill my pocket, we will drift away from you. If this happens, Pakistan will be doomed and I will support Panetta to kill all the political and armed leadership of Pakistan. If Pakistan plays the cards, it can come out of this mess.
     
  7. saad445566

    saad445566 SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,295
    Ratings:
    +1 / 1,073 / -8
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    Canada
    It did not take one day to setup this future block. And if generals ruin this game, their families will pay the consequences. I urge them to sit and think, think from their brain and stop filling pockets. The reason is very simple--Now, if the game plan changes because of generals and crappy politicians, they all will go where they cane from--.
     
  8. Skies

    Skies SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2009
    Messages:
    3,373
    Ratings:
    +2 / 3,428 / -0
    Country:
    Bangladesh
    Location:
    Bangladesh
    Do not go beyond the Atlantic. They (US) are not friend.



    Do flirting with USA and Russia and use them, but love only China.

    :china:
     
  9. sandy_3126

    sandy_3126 PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2011
    Messages:
    6,782
    Ratings:
    +23 / 8,748 / -0
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    United States
    Primary importance of Pak-Afgan corridor to US is to pump oil from the oil reserves in areas of Turkmenistan/ Uzbekistan/ Kazakhstan.
    What importance does Pak-Afghan corridor give to Russia ? Russians already have good relations with Iran



    With India centric policy it is but obvious for India to block pakistans military acquisition's, If pakistan had such political and economical clout, wouldn't it had done the same against india??



    Well pakistani national policy is shaped by the military, till that changes , americans will have a very tight grip on your neck, so I dont see a change in scenario...


    Completely agree... but here I find a lot of members vowing to fight India for next 1000 years which is highly thanked by the learned members of PDF, funny ?


    the question remains is what positive steps can pakistan take to actually make it self a brighter prospect for foriegn investment by countries like Russia and simultaneously overcome Indian objections to increased relations with its traditional allies. Remember we are talking about Russia and not sri lanka.- thanks
     
  10. Lankan Ranger

    Lankan Ranger ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2009
    Messages:
    12,553
    Ratings:
    +0 / 7,967 / -0
    Russia & Pakistan pledge to join forces to fight terrorism & drug trafficking

    Russian and Pakistani leaders have pledged to work together to fight terrorism and prevent drug-trafficking in Central and Southern Asia.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari were meeting in the Kremlin on Thursday.

    The presidents signed a joint statement calling for broader economic and political ties. Russia also discussed Pakistan involvement in a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, and expressed interest in helping it modernize a steel plant in Karachi and explore for gas.

    Zardari’s visit is his first major foreign trip since Osama bin Laden was killed in Pakistan earlier this month.

    In the wake of bin Laden’s killing, his unpopular government faced criticism from the United States, where some politicians accused Pakistani authorities of helping the world’s most wanted terrorist.

    Russia, Pakistan pledge to join forces to fight terrorism, drugs trafficking - The Washington Post
     
  11. sandy_3126

    sandy_3126 PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2011
    Messages:
    6,782
    Ratings:
    +23 / 8,748 / -0
    Country:
    India
    Location:
    United States
    ab chechen rebels ka kya hoga??????
     
  12. Ajaxpaul

    Ajaxpaul SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    3,010
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,244 / -0
    will be killed brutally.
     
  13. farhan_9909

    farhan_9909 RESEARCH & DEV

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2009
    Messages:
    6,997
    Ratings:
    +9 / 7,639 / -7
    Country:
    Pakistan
    Location:
    United Arab Emirates
    Good going

    they should help us in exploring gas.i know we have too much gas reserves.we just need to explore them
     
  14. somebozo

    somebozo ELITE MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Messages:
    12,168
    Ratings:
    +0 / 10,875 / -0
    Drug money raised by chechen rebels is funding talibans in our terriotry as well providing them arms..about time to end then with a brutal crush
     
  15. T-Rex

    T-Rex SENIOR MEMBER

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2008
    Messages:
    4,292
    Ratings:
    +0 / 2,405 / -0
    Country:
    Bangladesh
    Location:
    Bangladesh
    Don't worry, Chechen rebels are being supplied by CIA.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1