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If India were to acquire the US-designed F-16 fighter it would effectively mean that the Pakistan Air Force will not be able to acquire the latest variant of the jet that it has operated for 33 years.

That's because Lockheed Martin has proposed to the Indian government that it is willing to transfer its entire F-16 manufacturing line from Fort Worth in the US to India as part of the government's Make in India policy. In doing so, Lockheed would also aim to transfer the production of structural components of the F-16 from production facilities in multiple countries in a phased approach. If new-build F-16s are eventually constructed in India, there would be no question of them being exported to Pakistan. It is also unlikely that a production facility would be set up for the supply of just a handful of new-build F-16s to Pakistan.


Earlier this week, Lockheed Martin officially responded to an Indian government letter asking whether they would be able to provide the Indian Air Force with a high performance, single engine, multi-role fighter. Lockheed, which had also submitted an unsolicited bid earlier this year, has always stated that its F-16 should be the fighter of choice for the IAF despite it being the main fighter operated by its adversary, the Pakistan Air Force.

Senior executives of Lockheed Martin have indicated to NDTV that the transfer of the F-16 production line to India would mean that India and the US will have an altogether new strategic relationship since India would become the world's largest supply base for the 3,200 F-16s being operated by 24 countries around the world. Pakistan would be unwilling to acquire a made-in-India F-16 Block 70, the latest variant of the jet being proposed for India. India would, obviously, not be willing to supply its primary adversary with a fighter jet.


That said, Pakistan could, hypothetically, acquire components of its existing F-16 fighters from India if the production line were transferred here though Lockheed Martin executives point out that these spares would be stocked at company facilities outside India which would meet the requirement of any country.

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Inputs from the F-16 radars and other sensors would be processed and presented through multi-function displays in the cockpit and a helmet-mounted sight worn by the pilot.

Importantly, the variant of the jet that Lockheed is offering India is far more advanced than that operated by Pakistan since it would include technology used in the latest US Air Force fighters, the F-22 and the F-35. According to Randall L. Howard, who looks after F-16 Business Development for Lockheed Martin, "leveraging the technology that we've designed and integrated on F-22 and F-35, we are reintegrating those technologies back into the F-16. We're putting state of the art mission computers, data management systems, a one Gigabyte ethernet data system and a new centre pedestal display" onto the F-16 Block 70. In simple terms this means that the F-16, if acquired by the Indian Air Force, would have unparalleled data-fusion whereby inputs from its radars and other sensors would be processed and presented to the pilot in a cogent, easy-to-understand format on multi-function displays in the cockpit and a helmet-mounted sight worn by the pilot. The pilot would be able to simultaneously detect dozens of targets and threats in the air, on the ground and out at sea depending on the terrain.

But Lockheed Martin knows that winning a multi-billion dollar contract in India will not be easy. Swedish firm Gripen International is also responding to the Defence Ministry's letter by offering its state-of-the-art Gripen-E fighter which has recently been acquired by Brazil. Gripen’s parent company SAAB has offered to work with Hindustan Aeronautics to develop a new variant of India's Tejas Light Combat Aircraft and also transfer technology for India to develop its next indigenous fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), which has a stealth design. The Gripen is also, fundamentally, a newer design than the F-16, having entered service for the first time in the late nineties as opposed to the F-16, which was developed in the seventies.

Ironically, both the F-16 and the Gripen had been rejected by the Air Force when it shortlisted the more capable French Dassault Rafale fighter as part of its Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft tender. That tender, however, fell through, and India ultimately had to acquire just 36 Rafale fighters in an off-the-shelf purchase from France in a deal worth approximately 58,000 crores though its initial requirement was for at least 126 jets. The F-16 and the Gripen are now back in contention because the government has decided to operate different categories of fighter aircraft - the Sukhoi-30 (a heavy fighter), the Rafale (a medium weight fighter), the F-16 or Gripen (a light to medium weight fighter) and the indigenous Tejas (a light weight fighter).

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exclusive-why-pakistan-may-stop-getting-f-16-fighters-from-us-1477353
 
So in anyway India will be getting something it has rejected before!

I do not believe, sensitive tech from the F-22 and F-35 will be integrated on the Block 70..sensor fusion and "state of the art mission computers, data management systems, a one Gigabyte ethernet data system and a new centre pedestal display" Are all available somehow on the market..expensive maybe! but available..
 
So in anyway India will be getting something it has rejected before!

I do not believe, sensitive tech from the F-22 and F-35 will be integrated on the Block 70..sensor fusion and "state of the art mission computers, data management systems, a one Gigabyte ethernet data system and a new centre pedestal display" Are all available somehow on the market..expensive maybe! but available..

I don't think why we should not go for F16 if it's advanced version. A) We get best single engine fighter on this planet B) This deal could make PAF tumbling as their main Frontline fighter will have supply line in India. Hope the come up with longer range missile like Meteor induction.

We can inflict serious damage for PAF in their F16 operational capacity

Just look at this

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So in anyway India will be getting something it has rejected before!

I do not believe, sensitive tech from the F-22 and F-35 will be integrated on the Block 70..sensor fusion and "state of the art mission computers, data management systems, a one Gigabyte ethernet data system and a new centre pedestal display" Are all available somehow on the market..expensive maybe! but available..

No it will have all these.
Look UAE has F-16 BLOKCk_60 ... That is much advance than Block-52 we have.
A visible change in structure look at the tail of aircraft when it is landing. These units came outside and helps stopping plane faster.
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No it is block -70 .. Much advance..
MEans the GRAND SON of PAF's Block -52.

@Windjammer @Zarvan @The Eagle @Bilal Khan 777 @Quwa

Can you explain please.
 
I don't think why we should not go for F16 if it's advanced version. A) We get best single engine fighter on this planet B) This deal could make PAF tumbling as their main Frontline fighter will have supply line in India. Hope the come up with longer range missile like Meteor induction.

We can inflict serious damage for PAF in their F16 operational capacity

Just look at this

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I do not think that it will give India any more capabilities than the SU-30 and the Rafale,, it will increase the numbers of 4th generation though.. and please do not forget that Pakistan was operating it for more than 30 years and they will be having the JF-17 block 3 in numbers plus inducting either the EF or the SU-35 pretty soon add the possibility of the J-10B.C, Mirage 2000-9 and more F-16s..All of them BVR capable..

No it will have all these.
Look UAE has F-16 BLOKCk_60 ... That is much advance than Block-52 we have.
A visible change in structure look at the tail of aircraft when it is landing. These units came outside and helps stopping plane faster.
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No it is block -70 .. Much advance..
MEans the GRAND SON of PAF's Block -52.

@Windjammer @Zarvan @The Eagle @Bilal Khan 777 @Quwa

Can you explain please.
I understand that, and it has also an AESA radar and an anti-ground collision system, plus many other goodies too, but still it is not in par with the Rafale or the 5th G warplanes.. it will have some edge in tech over the PAF F-16 block 52, but PAF has an edge in experience on the F-16 in general,,
 
I do not think that it will give India any more capabilities than the SU-30 and the Rafale,, it will increase the numbers of 4th generation though.. and please do not forget that Pakistan was operating it for more than 30 years and they will be having the JF-17 block 3 in numbers plus inducting either the EF or the SU-35 pretty soon add the possibility of the J-10B.C, Mirage 2000-9 and more F-16s..All of them BVR capable..


I understand that, and it has also an AESA radar and an anti-ground collision system, plus many other goodies too, but still it is not in par with the Rafale or the 5th G warplanes.. it will have some edge in tech over the PAF F-16 block 52, but PAF has an edge in experience on the F-16 in general,,

If India goes for it means No more F-16 for Pakistan.
In a sense it will be good for us that PAF will consider a different platform.
But our F-16 numbering 76 will all be useless bcz India is going to procure them in Hundreds which we never did in 33 years.
 
the way i see it, it more about forcing pakistan to spend more on a different platform and make its frontline fighter useless. and with her current economic senario, its more about making pakistan spend more rupess than giving india additional capabilities.
 
Uncle Sam , will you give F35 elements alone for integrating with Lca ?
 
If India acquires F16, then for Pakistan to get spares will become nightmare and will render their F16 useless.
thats exactly one of the prime reason and the future prospects to get valid upgrades for them and of course since F16 is there prome fighter all there tactics are based around them but when we get 126 of these latest machinese they wont have anything to counter it plus with israeli and american experts by our side for technical and training inputs we sure can kill many birds with a single stone :sarcastic:

Why not get few squadrons of f35. I'll prefer one f35 instead of 3 f16i at any day
LM will only be able to give F35 after catering to order's of F35 from diffrent NATO nations it already has taken and thats almost fuly sold out stock till 2030 by then we would already be getting FGFA/PAKFA & AMCA and who know even F35 as LM has not agreed to give its cuttind edge ultra relaible and compact aircraft carrier management techs like AGG & EMALS for nothing they have agreed cause they know we moght order F35C for IAC2
 
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No it is block -70 .. Much advance..
MEans the GRAND SON of PAF's Block -52.

Just a plane on paper as a business offer for India yet though US-Pakistan relations are on different level in this regard and D.C wouldn't loose it that easily. There are still many factors, unknown to outside word, to balance the equation in this region. US in history has been selling to everyone and when it comes to neighboring rivals or possible conflict, US sells to balance the weight through different categories. After all, it will take sometime to come to fruition and the balancing weight will be in place.
 
If India acquires F16, then for Pakistan to get spares will become nightmare and will render their F16 useless.
Getting parts in never difficult for agencies if they can get nuclear components then they it's piece of cake for us...
Main problem is which platform to focus on next
is India planning to full for 4 gen yard ??
Pakistan is focused on 5th gen fighter and future warfare will be based on 5 /6 etc... Pac working hard to replace it's 4th gen with jf 17
 
Getting parts in never difficult for agencies if they can get nuclear components then they it's piece of cake for us...
Main problem is which platform to focus on next
is India planning to full for 4 gen yard ??
Pakistan is focused on 5th gen fighter and future warfare will be based on 5 /6 etc... Pac working hard to replace it's 4th gen with jf 17

Getting nuclear components is much easier...even North Korea also got them...it is also much easier to build a crude nuclear bomb.

Spare parts of fighter planes is not that easy to get. It will almost impossible for Pakistan to get if F16 assembly line shifts to India. F16's may be 4th gen, but there are no viable 5th gen planes now. If USAF plans to keep F16s until 2040, it means F16's are being constantly upgraded and 5th gen technology being incorporated.
 

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