PNS Alamgir sets sail for Pakistan

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    in the defence co-operation mtg starting in washington tomorrow, pakistan is going to request for more frigates (OHP).
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    Pakistan, US to hold defence talks

    By Anwar Iqbal

    WASHINGTON: A Pakistani defence delegation arrives in Washington on Sunday for talks on a five-year plan for meeting the country’s defence needs, diplomatic sources told Dawn.

    Also this week, a US delegation goes to Islamabad for trilateral talks with Afghan and Pakistani officials, which begin on May 3.

    Defence secretary Athar Ali Khan will lead the Pakistani delegation, which will include representatives from all three forces as well as the ministry of foreign affairs.

    The talks are part of the US-Pakistan Defence Consultative Group, which may now be merged with the US-Pakistan Strategic Dialogue, also slated in Islamabad in late May.

    Issues to be discussed include expected purchases by the three services, military training programmes, military contracts
    and the next year’s funding from the Coalition Support Fund.

    About $1.8 billon of arrears from the claims that Pakistan has submitted in the years 2010 and 2011 will also be discussed. These claims are for reimbursement of the funds Pakistan has spent in fighting insurgents in Fata.

    Defence purchases may include ships for the Pakistan Navy and weapons for the army and the air force.

    A reported offer that the US will provide 85 drones to Pakistan may also come up for discussion, although it’s not part of the agenda, diplomatic sources said.

    “We have never received a concrete offer,” said a Pakistani diplomatic source. “Besides, the drones being offered do not meet our needs. We already produce such drones at home.”

    Meanwhile, the US-Pakistan-Afghanistan meeting — which was postponed after the arrest in Lahore of CIA contractor Raymond Davis in a double murder case — is now being held as well.
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    If it turns out that the defense relationship is deepened and the entire defense consultative group becomes part of the so-called strategic dialogue, it will become clear that the citizens of Pakistan are hostages to the armed forces of both Pakistan and the US.

    Pakistan needs more focus on her economy than on her defense capability - her dwarf economy is the cause of her insecurity, is the cause of her citizens losing faith in Pakistan and finding it in Arabia and whatever luney ideas have emerged from there in recent times.

    An entirely sad and misguided effort on the part of the Pakistan Fauj.
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    Ure right bro..! cuz we already (Awaam +our Military) slaves and hostages by the white/Yankeez masterz....If our Military was not slave or hostage they would have prevented anykinda attacks by US/NATO drones on our land and civilians + our security personnalz....:woot:
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    when will she come home???
    and can someone provide pics of her when she reaches our port!
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    May 13, afaik. After Turkey she makes port calls in Saudi Arabia and Oman iirc, before heading home.
    (Hope it's not tempting fate but May 13th is a Friday ;-)
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    Pakistan Navy ship makes port call in Jeddah - Arab News
    Pakistan Navy ship PNS Alamgir makes port call at Jeddah | Pakistan News | Onepakistan.com

    Pakistan Military Review: PNS Alamgir Reaches Jeddah in Saudi Arabia
    (carefull, above link is to a page which may contain malicious content)

    NEXT STOP BEFORE HEADING TO PAKISTAN: Salalah (Oman)
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    It will be interesting to see how our defence relations go after the osama's death and how it will impact the PN plans to purchase 7 more ships of Alamgir class
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    It would take two to tango. It is unlikely that US would refuse additional OHPs (the operation in which OBL was killed underlines only that the first OHP was delivered notwithstanding distrust by US of certain elements in Pakistan). Likewise, the op does not take away opr deminish the urgent need for ships and the financial constraints of PN: it is likely that the request for a number of additional OHPs will be withdrawn.

    ps: the McInerney/Alamgir was not purchased by PN, it was given as grant in aid to PN. The stated bill of 65-78 million dollars is for the refurbishment of the ship and crew training. This amount is financed via the US Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, which provides grants and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States as well as acquiring defense services and military training. FMF funds purchases are made through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which manages government-to-government sales.UYS-FMS.
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    Pakistan navy ship Alamgir visits Oman | Oman Observer

    Times of Oman

    PNS Alamgir to visit the sultanate - Oman News|Muscatdaily

    From SeaWaves (obviously incomplete :-) port visits listings:
    21 Apr 11PNS Alamgir260Golcuk
    Port Visits TBA Mar 11 | SEAWAVES Magazine
    01 May 11 PNS Alamagir F 260 Jiddah
    13 May 11 PNS Alamgir F 260 Karachi (Maiden arrival)
    Port Visits May 2011 | SEAWAVES Magazine

    About FFG7 class ships coming available:
    a) confirmed from port visit listings
    10 Dec 10 USS Hawes FFG 53 Norfolk Decommissioning
    Port Visits December 2010 | SEAWAVES Magazine
    21 Apr 11 USS Jarrett FFG 33 San Diego Decommissioning
    Port Visits TBA Mar 11 | SEAWAVES Magazine
    29 Jul 11 USS Doyle FFG 39 Mayport Decommissioning
    SeaWaves Magazine Port Visits

    b) planned/projected from 'decommissionings' section (with expected purpose)
    USS McInerney FFG 8 Decommission 31 Aug 2010 FMS Pakistan
    USS Hawes FFG 53 Decomm 10 Dec 2010 Spares hulk
    USS Jarrett FFG 33 Decommission 21 Apr 11 FMS Taiwan?
    USS Doyle FFG 39 Decommission 28 Jul 11 FMS Taiwan?
    USS Klakring FFG 42 Decommission FY 2011 FMS?
    USS Boone FFG 28 Decommission FY 2012 FMS?
    USS Stephen W Groves FFG 29 Decommission FY 2012 FMS?
    USS Underwood FFG 36 Decommission FY 2013 FMS?
    USS Crommelin FFG 37 Decommission FY 2013 FMS?
    USS Curts FFG 38 Decommission FY 2013 FMS?
    USS Vandegrift FFG 48 Decommission FY 2013 FMS?
    USS Carr FFG 52 Decommission FY 2013 FMS?
    USS Halyburton FFG 40 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS McClusky FFG 41 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS Thach FFG 43 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS Halyburton FFG 45 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS Rentz FFG 46 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS Nicholas FFG 47 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS Robert G Bradley FFG 49 Decommission FY 2014 FMS?
    USS Taylor FFG 50 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    USS Gary FFG 51 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    USS Ford FFG 54 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    USS Elrod FFG 55 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    USS Simpson FFG 56 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    USS Reuben James FFG 57 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    USS Samuel B Roberts FFG 58 Decommission FY 2015 FMS?
    Ship Decommissionings | SEAWAVES Magazine

    In view of planned decommissionings, I think 6 ships could be available for PN before FY2015 (which starts october 2014) i.e. over the next 3,5 years, even if Taiwan were to scoop up 8 for its navy and some hulls go to other navies or are used a parts hulls ...... whether that would translate to actual transfers is of course dependent on how the political and money situations are.

    Friends in Pakistan, PNS Alamgir should have arrived in Karachi on May 13th (i.e. last Friday). Have there been reports in the locsl media (newspapers/R/TV)? Any pictures?
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    Interesting from that list of decommisionings:
    RFA Largs Bay L 3006 Decomm April 2011 (ALSL/LPD from 2006 > immediately sold to Australia recently)
    RFA Fort George A 388 Decomm April 2011 (Fort Victory class replenishment oiler from 1993! just 18 years old)
    RFA Bayleaf A 109 Paid off 23 Mar 2011 Decomm April 2011 ( Leaf-class support tanker, commissioned 1982, 29 years old by date of decom)
    RFA Orangeleaf A 110 Decomm 2015 (Leaf class tanker from 1979, active > by then 36)
    RFA Fort Austin A 385 Decomm 2021 ( fleet stores / replenishment ship from 1979, mothballed > by then 42)
    RFA Fort Rosalie A 386 Decomm 2021 (fleet stores / replenishment ship from 1978, refitted 2008 > by then 43)

    [​IMG]

    RFA Fort George might be an extremely worthwhile purchase for PN, considering PN has 2 AORs, of which at least 1`can be considerably long in the tooth.

    A47 PNS Nasr (PRC Fuqing class), acquired from the Chinese Navy in August 1987. The fourth hull of this class (hull No.871) was built specifically for the Pakistani Navy. The vessel was delivered in 1985 (but apparently commissioned 1987). > 25 years old
    Fuqing Class Fleet Oiler - SinoDefence.com
    [​IMG]

    A20 PNS Moawin (Dutch Poolster class) > first commissioned in 1964, acquired for PN service in 1994. > 46 years old
    HRMS-Poolster
    [​IMG]

    Similar ships decommissioning from the Netherlands navy in 2011 and 2014
    HNLMS Zuiderkruis A 824 Decomm 2011 (from 1975, Poolster/Moawin follow-on, 36 years old by the time of decommissioning
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Zuiderkruis_(A832)
    [​IMG]

    HNLMS Amsterdam A 836 Decomm 2014 (from 1995, 19 years old by the time of decommissioning) (Spain built a verion of this ship too: 2 ship class > Patiño & Cantabria. )
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Amsterdam_(A836)
    [​IMG]
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    i would have swam across the atlantic and indian ocean and then into Pakistan by now... just where the hell is PNS alamgir?
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    In Karachi, presumably, unless she got hung up somewhere on the way homw e.g. in a naval exercise.
    - Any word in local media?
    - Anybody locally to apply a Mk1 eyeball
    - Anybody locally that took (or would take ;-) a pic e.g. from the container terminal?
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    Where is PNS Alamgir? There seems to be sort of mystere developing here. I do hope it did nort skirt the "Triangle" on her maiden voyage as PNS Alamgir :-)