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Pivot to Pakistan: Pakistan is the key for Sino-Russian aim for "Greater Asia"

But there is nothing you can do about it. Just like india was powerless & unable to attack Pakistan militarily after mumbai 2008 even though you are more than 7x bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege :azn:

You're just another creature suffering from "lesser men" syndrome so common to your kind:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/28/want-...has-the-biggest-penises-in-the-world-5083922/

That is not our weakness.You should have some minimum eligibility to become a worthy opponent of India.
And your nation is not one of them .

Lol kid ,our life standards and facilities are far better than yours .Not entire India but ours.And a Pakistani should wait at least 4 decades for it.So nor you are eligible to measure our manhood
 
That is not our weakness.You should have some minimum eligibility to become a worthy opponent of India.
And your nation is not one of them .

Lol kid ,our life standards and facilities are far better than yours .Not entire India but ours.And a Pakistani should wait at least 4 decades for it.So nor you are eligible to measure our manhood


Think you are the ones not worthy to be our opponents as there is nothing you can do to Pakistan even though you are more than 7× bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege :azn:

From an undisputed factual and scientific POV, you and the men of your race will ALWAYS be "little kids" as it is a physical trait that you can do nothing about :D:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/28/want-...has-the-biggest-penises-in-the-world-5083922/

Your worthless nation also has 30-40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor. My nation doesn't :D:

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-has-40-of-worlds-malnourished-Expert/articleshow/20840897.cms

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/53-...-on-World-Toilet-Day/articleshow/26032829.cms

Here is your nation's reality:

https://www.chinasmack.com/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions
 
We have another way ,blocking and helping some terrorists would only tarnish their reputation
Tejas is inducted .
We have spent in R&D and climbing up the learning curve.Deal with it.



Cant digest ,Isnt it ?
Where is this 100s billions $?
Until now after 1947 we bought less than 50 billion$ equipment from them.
We dont have any hallucinations.
India is changed and tech like Thorium are quite advanced and AHWR can operate for at least 120 days without any operator.
This is just another level,sorry it is not my problem that you cant understand it



Whatever it is ,Russians are proud about their nation ,they wont bend to anyone for petty advantage ,be it China or US .
They are not Pakistan.

You are very late brother because we already made that deal and it is called JF17 and we are still waiting for your LCA more then 6 years now. It is difficult to you guys but try to digest the truth and first time is always difficult:tup:.
 
Think you are the ones not worthy to be our opponents as there is nothing you can do to Pakistan even though you are more than 7× bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege :azn:

From an undisputed factual and scientific POV, you and the men of your race will ALWAYS be "little kids" as it is a physical trait that you can do nothing about :D:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/28/want-...has-the-biggest-penises-in-the-world-5083922/

Your worthless nation also has 30-40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor. My nation doesn't :D:

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-has-40-of-worlds-malnourished-Expert/articleshow/20840897.cms

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-third-of-worlds-poorest-says-World-Bank.html

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/53-...-on-World-Toilet-Day/articleshow/26032829.cms

Here is your nation's reality:

https://www.chinasmack.com/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions

We didnt do anything .Because you are simply not worthy enough to become our opponent.
Do you have any comprehension problem?
Hyenas may bark or try to itch Lion .But Lion will always avoid such nasty pieces until the disturbances become severe.
Pakistan is showing that behaviour of Hyena.


You dont know about our race.India is a diversified and we are different than others.
Your little knowledge is actually entertaining mr insecure
 
We didnt do anything .Because you are simply not worthy enough to become our opponent.
Do you have any comprehension problem?
Hyenas may bark or try to itch Lion .But Lion will always avoid such nasty pieces until the disturbances become severe.
Pakistan is showing that behaviour of Hyena.


You dont know about our race.India is a diversified and we are different than others.
Your little knowledge is actually entertaining mr insecure


Which is why the lion was ruled for more than a 1000 years by various foreign empires and had a big proportion of it's territory ripped and carved out to make 2 seperate nations. Something which still haunts and affects the indian psyche till this day. Something which can never be undone.
 
Which is why the lion was ruled for more than a 1000 years by various foreign empires and had a big proportion of it's territory ripped and carved out to make 2 seperate nations. Something which still haunts and affects the indian psyche till this day. Something which can never be undone.

We dont have any problem in our psyche.
So called 1000 years of invasion still didnt affect India and ancient civilizations in other areas destroyed still we are here with those several millenia traditional civilizations.
So keep thatvBS
 
from an outsiders perspective, when India, China joined hands for a BRICS bank and such initiatives, China should have tried to mend Pak-India relations. Instead, they chose to snub India. That left a giant foothold for the west in Asia. A real partnership that had the potential - Russia, India, China - was lost.

It would be smart for China and Russia to help Pakistan and India reach some kind of detente in Kashmir, if not a resolution along Manmohan-Musharraf understanding. It would be win-win for all. I believe that opportunity still exists--perhaps even more so now than before.
 
It would be smart for China and Russia to help Pakistan and India reach some kind of detente in Kashmir, if not a resolution along Manmohan-Musharraf understanding. It would be win-win for all. I believe that opportunity still exists--perhaps even more so now than before.

my 2 cents: while Pakistan is very openly against India, it is China that silently is keeping India down (and wants to keep India down) via Pakistan. It could have been possible for India and Pakistan to reach an agreement had China not been involved. but as things stand, the greatest beneficiary of an India Pakistan feud is China as both India and Pakistan will not be challenging China's regional dominance.

I am not saying China is the "bad guy" and the rest are saints. But what I think is - China is playing its cards right to be the only major power in the region.
 
Which is why the lion was ruled for more than a 1000 years by various foreign empires and had a big proportion of it's territory ripped and carved out to make 2 seperate nations. Something which still haunts and affects the indian psyche till this day. Something which can never be undone.
According to an NYT article written by an American journalist, folks in Gujrat are still traumatized because of Sultan Mehmut of Gazni!! They still blame the local Muslim folks, who are mostly converts and have nothing to do with Sultans. And, they have foolproof security for their temples for they think that some Pak folks may show up and destroy them!!?!!!!
 
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Of course, this is indeed happening.

Now, even Indian think tank recommends India to give up opposition and JOIN Pakistan, China and Russia.



Moscow shifts Afghan stance: what next?
The Russians have concluded that the Afghan Taliban offer a better shield against the Islamic State than the old Northern Alliance. A negotiated settlement in Afghanistan could be achieved if Washington and New Delhi join Moscow, Beijing, Islamabad and Tehran in a joint effort.

BY Tim Willasey-Wilsey

The thinking on Afghanistan is changing. Russia appears to have held talks with the Afghan Taliban and has conducted joint military exercises with Pakistan. Moscow has also hosted discussions on Afghanistan with China and Pakistan and has indicated a willingness to be flexible towards the Afghan Taliban. This represents a major volte face by Moscow as it was only a little over a quarter of a century ago, in 1989, that it faced a humiliating retreat across the Amu Darya River. This is a change born of nimble strategic thinking, the kind that saw Russia intervene in Syria in 2015 with such marked results. What has driven this change of course?

Russia, which has been irritated by India slipping into the American sphere of influence, is likely to also welcome a stake in the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). But the reason it gives for the change of policy is the Islamic State (IS). The IS in Afghanistan is relatively weak, but, as the group comes under increasing pressure in Syria and Iraq, Afghanistan could become a future safe haven, from where it could pose a threat to Russia’s own Muslim population via the Central Asian Republics. The policy change could also make Russia a serious power in South West Asia for the first time since 1989.

Russia has been impressed by Taliban resistance to the IS and must also doubt whether the old Northern Alliance–once the partner of choice of Iran, India and Russia– could ever be resurrected as the shield against Islamist extremism that it was in the 1990s under its late military leader, Ahmed Shah Masood.

Iran too has reopened links with the Taliban, although not for the first time since the Taliban massacred its diplomats in Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998. The main cause for concern for Iran as well is the Sunni sectarian IS.

China, for its part, has never had much cause to worry about the Taliban. It is preoccupied more with the Uighur Islamists who could return to Xinjiang province from training or jihad in Afghanistan. However, Beijing has been happy to outsource the monitoring of Uighurs to Pakistan’s formidable intelligence services.

Zamir Kabulov, the veteran Russian expert on Afghanistan, was correct when he drew a distinction (at the recent ‘Heart of Asia’ conference in Amritsar) between the Afghan Taliban, whose ambitions lie only within Afghanistan, and the IS, who are global jihadists. NATO had some justification in fighting the Taliban because they had hosted Osama Bin Laden; and a Taliban victory in southern Afghanistan would have provided the al-Qaeda with an escape route from the tribal areas on the Pakistan border. Yet Western efforts to assist reconciliation between the Taliban and the Kabul government implicitly recognised that the Afghan Taliban (unlike the Pakistan Taliban or TTP) are not international terrorists, but Pashtun insurgents with purely national aspirations.

Kabulov is also pragmatic in identifying Pakistan as a key ally. He personally experienced the role which Pakistan played in undermining the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and then watched as Pakistan played the same role against the Karzai government and its NATO allies. Pakistani policy towards Afghanistan has an enduring quality, an extension of the British colonial ‘Forward Policy’ which required Afghanistan to have a government willing to confound the ambitions of enemies. The British worried about the Russians (and later the Germans) whereas Pakistan fears Indian influence in Kabul, and may now fear the IS.

There are some senior officers in the Pakistan army who at last understand that Islamist extremism represents a bigger threat than India to Pakistan’s survival. For Rawalpindi (where Pakistan’s Afghan policy is decided at army headquarters), a government in Kabul with significant Taliban participation will provide assurance on both counts while also hedging against aspirations of a Greater Pashtunistan. On this last point, I consider Pakistan to be mistaken.

Pakistan will, of course, be jubilant at Moscow’s change of policy. Rawalpindi’s high-risk policy of supporting the Afghan Taliban continuously since 1994 is now beginning to receive some international approval. It is also galling to India which has invested in both the Karzai and Ghani governments.

The United States, which still has 9,000 troops in Afghanistan, will also have cause for concern; it is holding the fort with an Afghan army which has taken heavy losses in 2015 and 2016. With dissension in the Afghan leadership and corruption as destructive as ever, the Ghani government hangs perilously on the decisions of the incoming U.S. President Donald Trump.

Much will hinge on Trump’s ability and willingness to reach pragmatic agreements with Prime Minister Putin on subjects such as Syria and Afghanistan. The controversy over alleged Russian interference in the U.S. electoral process will not help such efforts. But neither New Delhi nor Washington will wish to find themselves isolated while the Taliban receives wider endorsement. A negotiated settlement to Afghanistan could be achieved if Washington and New Delhi join Moscow, Beijing, Islamabad and Tehran in a joint effort. It will be a lot more difficult later as the Afghan government’s grip on power continues to weaken and its negotiating leverage diminishes.

Tim Willasey-Wilsey is Senior Visiting Research Fellow at King’s College London and a member of the Chatham House Council.

http://www.gatewayhouse.in/moscow-shifts-afghan-stance-what-next/
 
What India stands to lose if it stands against Pakistan...Eurasia.

"Eurasia has been holding very important place in Indian foreign policy because of energy security, trade, market and security. The main objectives of SCO are terrorism, separatism and fundamental and socio-economic cooperation. However, seeing the emerging uncooperative triumvirate of Russia, China and Pakistan in the Eurasian geopolitical landscape, SCO would prove a mirage for India.

"The emerging strategic triumvirate of Russia, China and Pakistan (SCO members) has been bothering the Indian foreign policy-makers, though publicly they are accepting the same. On part of China, substantial aid has been steadfastly moving to Pakistan’s military sector in terms of providing nuclearisation, weapons of sophisticated technology, co-production of weapons, economic corridor, ports, roads, railway etc.

"Russian policy towards India has been the by-product of bilateral and geopolitical dynamics, becoming a bugbear for Indian foreign policy. Russia has been turned from strategic partner to strange partner of India. On the other hand, it has become a strong strategic partner of Pakistan and punctured the myth of diplomatic isolation of Pakistan.

"Defence and political relations between Russia and Pakistan have been growing exponentially covering defence, military hardware, support on the issue of terrorism, support to CPEC and its linking with Eurasian Economic Union. In this backdrop, it is highly recommended that India should maintain good relations with the neighbouring countries and regional powers over the extra-regional powers. In order to avoid any regional strategic alliance to emerge against it it should maintain a balance between the major powers."
 
More confirmation of India's isolation, from a very harsh man, Harsh Vant himself. Even this staunch anti-Pakistani is suggesting India to reconsider its position.


Will Russia-China-Pakistan axis leave India out of Afghanistan?

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There has been another dramatic twist in the seemingly never-ending Afghanistan saga. Last month, Russia hosted representatives of China and Pakistan to discuss developments in Afghanistan and the three agreed upon “a flexible approach to remove certain [Taliban] figures from [United Nations] sanctions lists as part of efforts to foster a peaceful dialogue between Kabul and the Taliban movement.”

The three states underscored their concern “about the rising activity in the country [Afghanistan] of extremist groups, including the Afghan branch of IS [the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria]” and underlined that Taliban were a necessary bulwark in the global fight against the ISIS. The Taliban obviously welcomed the move. “It is joyous to see that the regional countries have also understood that the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is a political and military force,” a statement, issued on their behalf, said.

The proposal forwarded in the Moscow tripartite of delisting members of the Islamic Emirate is a positive step forward in bringing peace and security to Afghanistan.

Afghanistan seems to be becoming another front in Russia’s attempt to undermine the West and in particular American geopolitical interests. Buoyed by its seeming “success” in Syria, Russia now views itself as the vanguard of the global challenge to the West. Not surprisingly, the US military views this sudden endorsement of the Taliban by Russia as an attempt to undermine NATO military efforts in Afghanistan. The Afghan government too has reacted strongly against Russian attempts to bolster Taliban’s credibility.

As Afghanistan struggles, Russia’s got a plan

The Afghan forces are fighting a tough battle against Taliban with western help. After declaring that the US’ ‘combat mission’ in Afghanistan had ended, Barack Obama is having to revisit his decision based on ground realities. He has decided to send around 300 soldiers of the US Marine Corps back to Afghanistan as advisors, two years after leaving the country as combatants. There are still around 10,000 American troops in Afghanistan, a significantly higher number compared to the 5,000 Obama had envisioned on the campaign trail in an effort to scale back Washington’s ground forces. The security situation in Afghanistan remains precarious.

Earlier this week, more than 50 people were killed and 80 wounded in twin bombings near the Afghan parliament in Kabul, for which the Taliban claimed responsibility. Repeated bids to launch peace negotiations with the Taliban have failed and a fierce new fighting season is expected to kick off in the spring. With President Ashraf Ghani and CEO Abdullah Abdullah, at loggerheads, the Afghan government too is facing a serious political crisis.

Enter Russia with a plan. Amidst its deteriorating ties with the West, it has started warming up to Taliban. It is now arguing that Afghanistan could become a safe haven for the ISIS, from where it would be able to pose a serious threat to Russian hinterland. China too remains worried about the impact of growing ISIS threat in its Xinjiang province. And both of them have found in Pakistan an important interlocutor who could perhaps manage the Taliban in a way that it would be a force against the ISIS.

Russia’s change of heart comes after helping the Afghan military by supplying helicopters and also agreeing to a supply route for coalition materials through Russia. But that cooperation is a thing of the past as contacts between Moscow and the Taliban have surged in recent years to an extent where the two have also shared intelligence about the ISIS. For Russia, the Taliban is a local nuisance and has given up the idea of global jihad, whereas the ISIS are the global jihadists. Zamir Kabulov, Vladimir Putin’s special representative for Afghanistan, has suggested that in so far as fighting the ISIS is concerned, “the Taliban interest objectively coincides with ours.”

Russia’s warming up to Pakistan is part of this broader shift in Moscow’s foreign policy. The two held their first ever joint military exercise in September 2016 and their first-ever bilateral consultation on regional issues in December. After officially lifting an arms embargo against Pakistan in 2014, Pakistan’s military will be receiving four Russian-made Mi-35M attack helicopters in 2017. It is also likely that China-backed CPEC might be merged with Russia-backed Eurasian Economic Union. China has found a new ally in Russia which is keen to work with China, even as a junior partner, to scuttle western interests.

Russia has an interest in hyping the threat from the ISIS in Afghanistan and it is doing so rather effectively. The Taliban remain the most potent threat to the future of Afghanistan as everyday bombings in the country attest to. But given the uncertainty over President-elect Donald Trump’s Afghanistan policy, Russia feels this is the right moment to insert itself in the region and derail whatever little progress that has been made towards stabilising Afghanistan.

India May Find Itself Isolated


As Russia works with China and Pakistan to engage Taliban, jettisoning its historic animosity to the group, India might find itself regionally isolated. The Afghan government is too weak to assert its primacy in the process. And given Trump’s soft corner for Russia, if he decides to buy into the Russian argument, then India’s Afghan policy will once again be at a crossroads.


There was once a time when the US wanted to reach out to Taliban. Despite the threat of isolation, India stuck to its stand on the group. Eventually, New Delhi’s views prevailed as the Pakistani shenanigans made sure that the so-called peace process with the Taliban did not go anywhere. Today, India once again looks isolated. It would be hoping that Washington and Kabul will heed its advice on Afghanistan and stand up strongly against the China-Pakistan-Russia axis to manipulate regional strategic realities to serve their short-term ends. But hope is not a policy, and it is possible that New Delhi may have to revisit some of the fundamental assumptions of its Afghan policy soon.

The writer, Harsh V Pant, is a fellow at Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi and Professor of International Relations at King’s College London.
 
More confirmation of India's isolation, from a very harsh man, Harsh Vant himself. Even this staunch anti-Pakistani is suggesting India to reconsider its position.


There was once a time when the US wanted to reach out to Taliban. Despite the threat of isolation, India stuck to its stand on the group. Eventually, New Delhi’s views prevailed.

India only over-promises; but, can't deliver. :pissed:
 
India already won their case when we aggressively campaigned against 26/11.
These are last credible opposition of Pak Govt .
At current pace ,we are jumping from one milestone to another .
Your post exposes the vulnerability of the Pakistan.We are not a nation that heavily reliant on one infra project ,that is too unreliable and heavily favoured for other partner .

India is investing a lots in advanced programs ,Amount has become several times for a lots of R&D and developmental projects .
We dont care what others feel about it .
We will do what we have to do .
Pakistan is not that important in our policy,so we dont have any time to waste for it.


Pakistan isn't important for some poor nation like India it is important for current and future super-powers like USA, CHINA and RUSSIA .
 

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