Pakistan's new Chinese submarines will likely carry nuclear-capable CJ-10K LACMs

[Gryphon]

Sources on CJ-10 speak of it having a single 400-500 kg (1,100 lb) warhead, conventional or nuclear.

Can China sell an export variant of CJ-10K (with a warhead < 500 Kg) to Pakistan under MTCR ??

 

[Penguin]

Can China sell an export variant of CJ-10K (with a warhead < 500 Kg) to Pakistan under MTCR ??

The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) is a multilateral export control regime. It is an informal and voluntary partnership.

Originally, the MTCR was created in order to curb the spread of unmanned delivery systems for nuclear weapons, specifically delivery systems that could carry a payload of 500 kg for a distance of 300 km. Later, it was agreed to expand the scope of the MTCR to include nonproliferation of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for all weapons of mass destruction.

In 2002, the MTCR was supplemented by the International Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation (ICOC), also known as the Hague Code of Conduct, which calls for restraint and care in the proliferation of ballistic missile systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and has 119 members, thus working parallel to the MTCR with less specific restrictions but with a greater membership.

The People's Republic of China is not a member of the MTCR but has agreed to abide by the original 1987 Guidelines and Annex, but not the subsequent revisions. China first verbally pledged that it would adhere to the MTCR in November 1991, and included these assurances in a letter from its Foreign Minister in February 1992. China reiterated its pledge in the October 1994 US-China joint statement. In their October 1997 joint statement, the United States and China stated that they agree "to build on the 1994 Joint Statement on Missile Nonproliferation." In 2004 China applied to join the MTCR, but members did not offer China membership because of concerns about China's export control standards.

The regime has its limitations; countries within the MTCR have been known to violate the rules clandestinely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime

China has supplied ballistic missiles and technology to Pakistan. The solid-fueled Ghaznavi (700kg warhead, around 300km range), and longer range Shaheen 1 (1000kg, 750-900km) and Shaheen 2 (700-1250 kg, 2000km) missiles are all widely reported to be based on either Chinese missiles or missile technology.
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.47/pub_detail.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_of_Pakistan

So, in short, YES.
If need be, conventionally armed missiles could be sold and local retooling assisted.

 

[Hell hound]

China has supplied ballistic missiles and technology to Pakistan. The solid-fueled Ghaznavi (700kg warhead, around 300km range), and longer range Shaheen 1 (1000kg, 750-900km) and Shaheen 2 (700-1250 kg, 2000km) missiles are all widely reported to be based on either Chinese missiles or missile technology.

that is not the case our missile systems are our own.
you cant the detailed info about it in @The Deterrent threads

 

[Penguin]

that is not the case our missile systems are our own.
you cant the detailed info about it in @The Deterrent threads

I'm shure you own them.

Foreign Assistance and Procurement

Pakistan has made steady progress in developing its indigenous missile production capabilities over the decades. However, these capabilities were developed with extensive help from abroad, and Islamabad continues to rely on foreign entities for equipment and materials.

China

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency has reported that Chinese entities assisted Pakistan in the development of solid-fueled ballistic missiles, particularly the Shaheen series, and that through this assistance Pakistan became capable of serial production of solid-fueled ballistic missiles.

In 2011, press reports described several sales or attempted sales by Chinese firms of equipment that could be used in Pakistan's missile program. These transactions included: an illegal sale by the Chinese firm Polytechnologies of a coil-winding device and specialized optical chips to Pakistan's Advanced Engineering Research Organization (AERO), an entity involved in the development of bombs and UAVs; a planned sale of machinery by the Chinese company Jinan Metal Forming Machinery Engineering Co. to Pakistani defense organizations; and an attempted sale of of specialty steel by a Chinese company to Pakistan's Aginel Enterprises. This type of steel had previously been used for components of the Ghaznavi SRBM. In 2012, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence reported to Congress that Pakistan continued to receive "a variety of missile-related items" from Chinese entities, primarily private companies and individuals.

North Korea

U.S. intelligence has also reported that the Ghauri missile is derived from North Korea's No Dong missile. In 2003, the United States applied sanctions to North Korea's Changgwang Sinyong Corporation (aka Korea Mining Development Trading Bureau - KOMID) for exporting missile-related technology to KRL.

United States

Pakistani entities are also engaged in the procurement of missile-related equipment and technology illegally exported from the United States.

In 2007, SUPARCO received 90 fixed coaxial attenuators from Nadeem Akhtar, a Pakistani national living in Maryland, which were shipped without the required authorization from the Commerce Department. That same year, SUPARCO received an unauthorized shipment of an atmospheric testing device and related equipment from the University of Massachusetts at Lowell. In recent years, SUPARCO also received unauthorized shipments of carbon fiber and microwave laminates from Bilal Ahmed, a businessman in Illinois.

In addition, according to the Commerce Department, since 2010 AERO has been using a network of front companies and intermediaries to procure illicit items of U.S. origin for the development of missiles and UAVs. Some of these items were procured for AWC. This network is spread across several countries, including Pakistan, China, Singapore, and Australia. In 2014, Commerce identified eight companies as part of AERO's network: Vortex Electronics (Australia), Beijing Lion Heart International Trading Company (China and Hong Kong), Future Systems Pvt. Ltd. (Pakistan), IKAN Engineering Services (Pakistan), LT Engineering and Trade Services (Pvt) Ltd. (LTE) (Pakistan), Nazir and Sons International (Pakistan), Orion Eleven Pvt. Ltd. (Pakistan), and Izix Group Pte Ltd. (Singapore).

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/pakistan/PakistanMissileUpdate-2016.html

See also

https://books.google.nl/books?id=XD...N#v=onepage&q=china pakistan missiles&f=false

http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/pakistan/delivery-systems/

 

[Hell hound]

I'm shure you own them.

sorry for the auto correct what i meant was that "you can read detailed info about it" and thanks for the links.
i will give them a read whenever i get the time

 

[amardeep mishra]

We are working on propulsion too, around 1000km will give PN reasonable stand-off distance.

Hi dear @The Deterrent
So,you're trying to allude to the point that pakistan somehow have an indigenous turbofan(miniaturized) program?Can you shed some light on this aspect. Which lab in pakistan has design experience with gas turbines? I know I am sure I will get cliched responses,but can you point out literature,statement from the design agency,user or the govt regarding existence of a gas turbine project in pakistan.I am sure they can reveal GT project--itz not nuclear project or anything.
As for the second part of your statement,increasing the range implies two things-
1)Reduction in drag
2)Reduction in SFC of engine.
#1 amounts to changing the aerodynamic layout of the missile which involves a lot of wind tunnel testings and even modifications in various autopilots like pitch hold and altitude hold autopilots running inside the flight controller. Because once you change the aerodynamic layout of the missile,your various stability and control derivatives will change and hence your system dynamics will get affected.
#2 amounts to fiddling with the engine. particularly the combustion chamber.

 

[khansaheeb]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Quwa

This report indicates Pakistan will acquire nuclear submarines by replacing diesel engine power generation with a miniaturized nuclear power plant. This is exactly what is being developed under Project KPC-3.

No. of Chinese submarines (to be procured) was increased from six to eight. I believe two may be converted into nuclear-powered subs..

We need around 6 nuke subs, 2 each for west, south and East India.