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Pakistan's Edge in Biometric Information Technology Services

Good to hear, but this certainly is not going to solve all our problems, though it should help with identifying any foreigners who come to Pakistan with intentions of causing harm. :pakistan:
 
There was no need to compare with India.

But just to let you know, the UID project is way WAY more advanced, ambitious and on a much larger scale than NADRA will ever take

For starters, the NADRA project just takes one fingerprint and facial data

UID takes fingerprints of all ten fingers AND a retinal scan :woot:

Look, Pakistan in down in the dumps and you're putting up all kinds of good new to raise people's spirits :tup: But comparison with India will only invite ridicule

For your Information when i first went for ID CARD ... they took all 10 finger prints & retina scan too
 
For your Information when i first went for ID CARD ... they took all 10 finger prints & retina scan too

Right.....

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As mentioned by the OP, it's only facial detection and thumb print scan
 
Seriously there was no need to bring India in it .

We have UID registrations going on . I registered for the card 2 days back .

Being a much larger country with much larger population u cant expect UID cards to come overnight .
 
why are you comparing with India, if you really want to be leaders compare with the US or any European nation. Get out of this mindset of beating India, as it wont get you anywhere. Similar IT services are easily available in India, please search up IBM's India campus for just one of such examples. The source is Riaz Haq, so the usual twisting of facts and figures is in line.
 
Seriously there was no need to bring India in it .

We have UID registrations going on . I registered for the card 2 days back .

Being a much larger country with much larger population u cant expect UID cards to come overnight .

The reality is that India is far behind in basics like e-passports which NADRA introduced in Pakistan seven years ago.

Here is a report of further delays, with all the usual excuses, in Indian e-passport issuance:

India’s ambitious electronic-passport (e-passport) policy has been delayed by six months over allegations that the technology provider has links to Pakistan’s spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

The country’s external affairs ministry seems to think the allegations come from a jealous rival, but it has followed due procedure and forwarded them to the home ministry, which has set up a committee to look into them. This could mean a further delay at best and the cancellation of the contract and legal action against the company at worst.

In June 2008, the ministry of external affairs launched the so-called e-passport project. E-passports have smart chips that contain the holder’s personal information. In August 2009, the government’s India Security Press in Nashik, an exclusive government centre where passport books are produced, called for tenders and shortlisted Gemalto NV, an Amsterdam-based digital security firm, to supply the chips and software for producing 20 million e-passports.

“Soon after the company was shortlisted, we received a complaint that the company was involved in similar projects in neighbouring countries, mainly Pakistan. There were allegations that the company has links with Pakistan’s spy agency ISI,” said a senior official in the ministry of external affairs, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

This person added that the ministry has a reason to believe that the complaint came from one of Gemalto’s five competitors for the project. “But since it carried serious allegations, we referred the matter to (Union) home ministry and defence ministry for security clearances.” 

Bartronics India Ltd, NXP Semiconductor NV, Infineon AG and Sagem Orga GmbH (through Indian arm Smart Chip India Ltd) were in fray for the tender.

“Categorically, Gemalto does not have any links, in the past or present, with ISI or any intelligence unit of Pakistan. This is a false statement. Gemalto is not involved in the personalization of the India e-passport. After Gemalto has delivered its component, the government of India’s own company puts together all the various parts of the e-passport,” said a Gemalto spokesperson.


E-passport project delayed over allegations against tech provider - Home - livemint.com
 
yep; I agree- Pakistan is far ahead in 'Basics' such as security of common public, national Sovereignty...:devil:

In any case; if it makes you happy that Pakistan is ahead of Indian in issuing 'e Passport'...

The reality is that India is far behind in basics like e-passports which NADRA introduced in Pakistan seven years ago.

Here is a report of further delays, with all the usual excuses, in Indian e-passport issuance:

India’s ambitious electronic-passport (e-passport) policy has been delayed by six months over allegations that the technology provider has links to Pakistan’s spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

The country’s external affairs ministry seems to think the allegations come from a jealous rival, but it has followed due procedure and forwarded them to the home ministry, which has set up a committee to look into them. This could mean a further delay at best and the cancellation of the contract and legal action against the company at worst.

In June 2008, the ministry of external affairs launched the so-called e-passport project. E-passports have smart chips that contain the holder’s personal information. In August 2009, the government’s India Security Press in Nashik, an exclusive government centre where passport books are produced, called for tenders and shortlisted Gemalto NV, an Amsterdam-based digital security firm, to supply the chips and software for producing 20 million e-passports.

“Soon after the company was shortlisted, we received a complaint that the company was involved in similar projects in neighbouring countries, mainly Pakistan. There were allegations that the company has links with Pakistan’s spy agency ISI,” said a senior official in the ministry of external affairs, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

This person added that the ministry has a reason to believe that the complaint came from one of Gemalto’s five competitors for the project. “But since it carried serious allegations, we referred the matter to (Union) home ministry and defence ministry for security clearances.” 

Bartronics India Ltd, NXP Semiconductor NV, Infineon AG and Sagem Orga GmbH (through Indian arm Smart Chip India Ltd) were in fray for the tender.

“Categorically, Gemalto does not have any links, in the past or present, with ISI or any intelligence unit of Pakistan. This is a false statement. Gemalto is not involved in the personalization of the India e-passport. After Gemalto has delivered its component, the government of India’s own company puts together all the various parts of the e-passport,” said a Gemalto spokesperson.


E-passport project delayed over allegations against tech provider - Home - livemint.com
 
why are you comparing with India, if you really want to be leaders compare with the US or any European nation. Get out of this mindset of beating India, as it wont get you anywhere. Similar IT services are easily available in India, please search up IBM's India campus for just one of such examples. The source is Riaz Haq, so the usual twisting of facts and figures is in line.

Have you heard the proverb: Shoemaker's children go barefoot!

Your code coolies work in the service of their western masters, not to serve India's needs.

Haq's Musings: Indian IT Sweatshops Exploiting Cyber Coolies?
 
yep; I agree- Pakistan is far ahead in 'Basics' such as security of common public, national Sovereignty...:devil:

In any case; if it makes you happy that Pakistan is ahead of Indian in issuing 'e Passport'...

What kind of safety or sovereignty are you talking about in India?

Do you know that foreign capital inflows sustain India which runs huge current account and budget deficits?

Haq's Musings: Indian Economy: Hard or Soft Landing in 2011?

Do you know that 7000 Indians die of hunger every day?

Do you know that 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight?

Hunger Facts | The Hunger Site for Facts: Bhookh.com

Do you know that, according to WB India poverty report 2011, Indians are far poorer than Pakistanis, and many sub-Saharan Africans?

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011
 
What kind of safety or sovereignty are you talking about in India?

Do you know that foreign capital inflows sustain India which runs huge current account and budget deficits?

Haq's Musings: Indian Economy: Hard or Soft Landing in 2011?

Do you know that 7000 Indians die of hunger every day?

Do you know that 200 million Indians will go to bed hungry tonight?

Hunger Facts | The Hunger Site for Facts: Bhookh.com

Do you know that, according to WB India poverty report 2011, Indians are far poorer than Pakistanis, and many sub-Saharan Africans?

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011


ohhh u posted riazhaq, gud o ahead:taz:
 
Is India's unique ID scheme unraveling? asks Soutik Biswas of the BBC:

...two years after it launched, a parliamentary committee has given a thumbs-down to the setting up of a statutory National Identification Authority to bolster the scheme. A bill had been introduced in parliament last December to set up the authority.

The committee, in a recent report, raised concerns about access and misuse of personal information, surveillance, profiling and securing confidential information by the government. UID authorities say that appropriate steps have been taken to ensure security and protection of data.

That's not all. There appears to be a valid concern about the possibility of illegal residents getting identification numbers. (The number is not proof of citizenship or residency. It only confirms identity after authentication.)

The parliamentary committee fears that "at a time when the country is facing a serious problem of illegal immigrants and infiltration from across the border", the number was being given out to every resident. "The committee is unable to understand the rationale for expanding the scheme to persons who are not citizens," the report said.

The committee has even questioned the implementation of the scheme, which has been held up as a success story by the authorities. It says it was originally meant for the poorest of the poor and then extended to all residents. But the committee says better-off Indians already possess many other forms of identity, and so asks how the number helps them. Authorities say the number will be a general proof of identity.

Also, the report wonders, how will the poorest of the poor be given numbers? For one, the authorities don't have proper data on the very poor - officially, 37% of India's 1.2 billion people live below the poverty line. But there are various estimates of the exact number of poor in India and one suggests that the true figure could be as high as 77%. So how does the number help in identifying the genuine beneficiaries?

Interestingly, the report points to the shelving of a similar identity project in the UK because of the huge costs, unreliable and untested technology and the risks to the safety and security of citizens. A London School of Economics report says that the UK project could turn out to be a "potential danger to the public interest and to the legal rights of the individuals".

Nandan Nilekani, head of the Unique Identification Authority of India, believes that the number can transform Indian politics by curbing theft and leakage of public funds. "It would make porous distribution mechanisms and our dependence on the moral scruples of the bureaucrats redundant," he says. But, clearly, a number of crucial questions need to be clarified before India can continue to crunch out the identity numbers.

BBC News - Is India's identity number scheme unravelling?
 
Is India's unique ID scheme unraveling? asks Soutik Biswas of the BBC:

...two years after it launched, a parliamentary committee has given a thumbs-down to the setting up of a statutory National Identification Authority to bolster the scheme. A bill had been introduced in parliament last December to set up the authority.

The committee, in a recent report, raised concerns about access and misuse of personal information, surveillance, profiling and securing confidential information by the government. UID authorities say that appropriate steps have been taken to ensure security and protection of data.

That's not all. There appears to be a valid concern about the possibility of illegal residents getting identification numbers. (The number is not proof of citizenship or residency. It only confirms identity after authentication.)

The parliamentary committee fears that "at a time when the country is facing a serious problem of illegal immigrants and infiltration from across the border", the number was being given out to every resident. "The committee is unable to understand the rationale for expanding the scheme to persons who are not citizens," the report said.



BBC News - Is India's identity number scheme unravelling?


OMG India is going to disintegrate .:blink:
 

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