Pakistani Senator calls for the development of an indigenous Nuclear Attack Submarine.

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  1. EpiiC

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    Shaheen III sea variant? Our missile range is always poor!!!
     
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    You are misunderstanding my concern. I am saying India will try to target the delivery platform of nuclear warhead, i.e., the missile, at its earliest stage via conventional weapons by attacking the very source. What good is a warhead without a delivery platform?
     
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    An ABM doesn't need to outrun it's target, it just needs to be fast enough to meet that target. India has radars that cover whole of Pakistan plus their satellites have Pak covered.... Even Israel has 1500km Nuclear Tipped SLCM which has whole Pak Covered.... Indias ABM will intercept many of Pakistans Missiles due to lack of Mirv!!

    Atomic warhead or thermonuclear warhead? Yeild of each Warhead?
     
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    A top-notch anti-Ballistic Missile strategy will seek to destroy the missile at its earliest stage.
     
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    1. You got a point, it's not easy for PN to hunt down Indian subs either, that's why what PN building now is a deterrent, a second strike capability. Strategically speaking, it's not in either side's favor to use nuke in any form of pre-emptive style first strike, cos then the other side can launch retaliation.

    2. Indian side has smaller nuclear stockpile than Pakistan, total yield only 1 megaton. Their ballistic missiles have limited accuracy (check CEP) compared to Pakistan's SLCM, hence less effective against reinforced targets let alone subs, and their 15-20 kt warheads can only inflict limited damage. In fact I find Agni tipped with 15-20 kt fissile warhead, which is considered as tactical nuke only, a very strange phenomenon, when one 094 SSBN has firepower to annihilate half of India. Pakistan enjoys overall firepower supremacy (2.1 megaton vs 1 megaton), together with AIP subs and long-rang hi-precision SLCM, this combination can effectively deter Delhi. Talking about range, the more the merrier, and that's what PN should focus on, range of both AIP subs and SLCM.

    Contrary to SSBN which is an over-kill as deterrent, the possibility of inducting SSN exists if PN doctrine is to go hunt Indian subs, i.e. use SSN in conventional ASW to suppress/neutralize Indian first strike capability, not use as deterrent.
     
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    Thanks. The best range + loiter time is available only with nuclear subs.
     
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    Had it been easy to target platforms or source through conventional or nuclear weapon, US would have done it long time ago. My statement is based on certain facts.
     
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    Once all out war erupts, all gloves are off. And US/Israel will gladly take the opportunity to participate in the conflict (overtly or covertly) to cause maximum damage. That is the whole point of having a credible second attack.
     
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    agreed yet i stand by my opinion
     
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    Since you brought up Turkey, this is where Turkey could possibly fit into PN's sub manufacturing program, keeping in mind budget constraints, and anti-Pakistan elements.

    Once Option 3, and then Option 4 have been exercised, Option 2 is where Turkey could possibly play a role. Augusta upgrades are fine, but in the context of next gen boomers, Turkey needs to bring to the table something China does not have. And that is a very tall order.

    Nonetheless if it does, that tech could be shared with China and incorporated in future Chinese subs as well, with Turkish consent. It's a very delicate balancing act, that will have to be extremely well thought of. Something SPD & PN are quite capable of.

    For now, the Turks,with all due respect, do not bring anything new to the table. PN has to look at not only the sub but the missiles, the surveillance / comm / beidou sat access, the availability of parts, the capability to lease platforms - THE complete package. Very big shoes to fill for the Turks.

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    24 SLBM's is quite a lot, 12 would do just fine.
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    Is it quiet enough to avoid detection from ASW platforms specially from MPAs which IN have?
     
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    Overkill is what makes it so much fun. Something that would not give enemies nightmares and heart attacks but they die so others can live peacefully in the region and beyond.
     
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    LOL ... good one!
     
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