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So, if this is "our" war, why keep begging and billing USA for it? lols

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Pakistan plans to seek continued U.S. aid to help pay for its battle against terrorist groups in its northwestern provinces after American combat forces leave neighboring Afghanistan in 2016.

Pakistan expects to keep about 150,000 troops in North Waziristan until about 2017, even after its current operation to flush out terror groups in the area is completed, a Pakistani defense official said in an interview in Washington.

Since the Pakistani troop presence in the border region is intended to aid stability in neighboring Afghanistan, Pakistan plans to ask the U.S. to shoulder some of the costs in the form of a fixed annual sum because its economy is still weak, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a topic that’s still being negotiated.

Pakistan has received billions of dollars from the U.S. since 2002 as compensation for fighting terrorist groups within its borders, and the idea that it should receive more is shocking, said Christine Fair, a professor at Georgetown University in Washington and the author of “Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army’s Way of War.”

“That is the most outrageous thing I’ve heard,” Fair said in an interview. “They’re basically seeking compensation for stabilizing a border that the ISI is busy destabilizing.”

She was referring to Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, which U.S. intelligence officials say also supports Taliban groups, the Haqqani network and other militant groups that attack coalition troops in Afghanistan.

As of 2013, the U.S. had paid Pakistan $11 billion out of the Pentagon’s coalition support fund budget as reimbursement for the South Asian nation’s military efforts aiding U.S. counterterrorism operations. Including other military and economic aid, the U.S. has given Pakistan about $28 billion during the 12 years through 2014, according to the Congressional Research Service.

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The U.S. is likely to acquiesce on the aid request because the Obama administration is concerned about the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, Fair said.

“The Americans are very interested in helping Pakistanis do what they’re doing to kill the TTPs,” Fair said referring to members of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, which has gone on an offensive against the Pakistani government. “We are paying them to mow the lawn even though they’re fertilizing other parts of the lawn” by aiding groups that attack coalition forces, she said.

The U.S. halted reimbursements for 2012 when Pakistan blocked NATO cargo transiting through the country to Afghanistan in retaliation for a U.S. airstrike that mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani border troops.

‘Deepest Regrets’
The supply routes remained shut for seven months and were reopened in July 2012 only after former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed “deepest regrets” for the accidental killings.

Since then, U.S. lawmakers have attached conditions to the annual reimbursement stipulating that the Pentagon must certify that Pakistan isn’t blocking supply routes and that it’s cooperating in counterterrorism efforts. Congress also gave the Pentagon and the State Department authority to seek waivers on national security grounds.

In August 2012, the State Department used that waiver authority to seek an exemption from certifying that Pakistan was cooperating on counterterrorism efforts, allowing for the reimbursements, according to the Congressional Research Service. It was the first time the Obama administration had sought such a waiver for Pakistan, according to the research service.

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The Senate has proposed continued restrictions on reimbursements to Pakistan in the 2015 defense budget that’s being debated in Congress. A portion of the reimbursement for 2015 is not eligible for a waiver, and can be paid only if the U.S. defense secretary certifies that Pakistan has “undertaken military operations in North Waziristan that have significantly disrupted the safe haven and freedom of movement of the Haqqani network in Pakistan,” according to an amendment added by Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Pakistan’s military forces last month began a ground offensive to flush militants from that semi-autonomous tribal region on the Afghan border. It is an area -- roughly the size of Connecticutwith about 700,000 residents -- that Michael Mullen, the U.S.’s former top military official, in 2010 called it the “epicenter of terrorism” and “where al-Qaeda lives.”

Despite months of warning the U.S. and other coalition troops in Afghanistan about the need to plug the border before Pakistan’s military operation, as many as 30,000 people from North Waziristan, including some militant-group leaders, are thought to have crossed into neighboring Afghanistan unchecked, the Pakistan official said.

Pakistan has used U.S.-made F-16 jets to bomb North Waziristan and today said it killed 35 militants in one such strike. Pakistani forces have captured several tons of improvised-explosive devices, or IEDs, and other crude bombs in the area, the Pakistan official said.
 
Christine Fair's tantrums and histrionics whenever she is asked to comment on Pakistan are hilarious.

Did some PA General have an affair with her and then unceremoniously dump her or what? Her hysteria is the equivalent of someone launching personal attacks against someone because of some deep personal insult/injury inflicted on them.

It is almost sad to see her plunge to such shallow depths from being a relatively objective and sane geo-political analyst and commentator.

@babajees
Motherland $$$ Jernails at their finest point!!!
I personally don't see much of an issue with the GoP asking the US to offset some of the costs of deployments in FATA, as long as conditions against Pakistani national security interests are not accepted as a rider to that funding.

Think about the issue pragmatically - Pakistan HAS to deploy forces in FATA for an extended period of time to fight terrorism, so if other countries are willing to fund (in whole or in part) an effort in support of Pakistani national security, then why object?
 
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Christine Fair's tantrums and histrionics whenever she is asked to comment on Pakistan are hilarious.

Did some PA General have an affair with her and then unceremoniously dump her or what? Her hysteria is the equivalent of someone launching personal attacks against someone because of some deep personal insult/injury inflicted on them.

It is almost sad to see her plunge to such shallow depths from being a relatively objective and sane geo-political analyst and commentator.

@babajees

I personally don't see much of an issue with the GoP asking the US to offset some of the costs of deployments in FATA, as long as conditions against Pakistani national security interests are not accepted as a rider to that funding.

Think about the issue pragmatically - Pakistan HAS to deploy forces in FATA for an extended period of time to fight terrorism, so if other countries are willing to fund (in whole or in part) an effort in support of Pakistani national security, then why object?

Trust me, when dollars are coming, our Generals and Politicians least bothered by Pak Nat Security.. We gav Drone Bases to the US (and kept lying about it). Complete unpredented access to other air bases (jacobabad).

28 billion dollars in 13 years aint bad.. no one gives this much AID..
 
Pakistan should have allowed America to conduct air and ground operations in FATA and KPK in 2004, ye beghairati aaj waali beghairati sey faidamund hoti. Pashtuns would have focused their anger ,energies and revenge against America. Those who would have died in B-52 bombing, would have been shaheeds and this could have been simple and clean war of independence for pashtuns of FATA and KPK. But pakistan army chose dollars instead of being wise and tactical.
 
Pakistan should have allowed America to conduct air and ground operations in FATA and KPK in 2004, ye beghairati aaj waali beghairati sey faidamund hoti. Pashtuns would have focused their anger ,energies and revenge against America. Those who would have died in B-52 bombing, would have been shaheeds and this could have been simple and clean war of independence for pashtuns of FATA and KPK. But pakistan army chose dollars instead of being wise and tactical.

What will be left to join after we nuke Afghanistan :bunny:
 
Pakistan should have allowed America to conduct air and ground operations in FATA and KPK in 2004, ye beghairati aaj waali beghairati sey faidamund hoti. Pashtuns would have focused their anger ,energies and revenge against America. Those who would have died in B-52 bombing, would have been shaheeds and this could have been simple and clean war of independence for pashtuns of FATA and KPK. But pakistan army chose dollars instead of being wise and tactical.


if we allowed americans to do the offensive in kpk and fata then their would have been more talibans and more groups like TTP or haqqani network and trust me their would have been more losses to pakistan then now
 
Trust me, when dollars are coming, our Generals and Politicians least bothered by Pak Nat Security.. We gav Drone Bases to the US (and kept lying about it). Complete unpredented access to other air bases (jacobabad).

28 billion dollars in 13 years aint bad.. no one gives this much AID..
National security is intricately linked with the economic state of a nation.

Pride and 'honor' is not going to help secure national interests.

What was wrong with allowing the US to operate out of Pakistani air bases?
 
Christine Fair's tantrums and histrionics whenever she is asked to comment on Pakistan are hilarious.

Did some PA General have an affair with her and then unceremoniously dump her or what? Her hysteria is the equivalent of someone launching personal attacks against someone because of some deep personal insult/injury inflicted on them.

It is almost sad to see her plunge to such shallow depths from being a relatively objective and sane geo-political analyst and commentator.

@babajees

I personally don't see much of an issue with the GoP asking the US to offset some of the costs of deployments in FATA, as long as conditions against Pakistani national security interests are not accepted as a rider to that funding.

Think about the issue pragmatically - Pakistan HAS to deploy forces in FATA for an extended period of time to fight terrorism, so if other countries are willing to fund (in whole or in part) an effort in support of Pakistani national security, then why object?


Nice story to tell.

You and I both know and acknowledge that the west won't give a dead fly to others "without" serving their own interests. Question to ask is if our and their interests are aligned in this particular issue? You don't have to go further than American arming and funding Syrians and Pakistanis involved in Afghanistan with their proxies. to answer that question.

Amrika will achieve their interests but Pakistan will suffer along the way as it has. $$$ motherlands/civilians will get richer than they woke up with. The story will never finish.

Pakistan should have allowed America to conduct air and ground operations in FATA and KPK in 2004, ye beghairati aaj waali beghairati sey faidamund hoti. Pashtuns would have focused their anger ,energies and revenge against America. Those who would have died in B-52 bombing, would have been shaheeds and this could have been simple and clean war of independence for pashtuns of FATA and KPK. But pakistan army chose dollars instead of being wise and tactical.


Yes and send you and your family to see those B52 bombers. How wise would that be? Maybe some fire works in store for them too on the ground?

Stupid Pak Fauj. They took the money instead.

Be wise and tactic.
 
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Think about the issue pragmatically - Pakistan HAS to deploy forces in FATA for an extended period of time to fight terrorism, so if other countries are willing to fund (in whole or in part) an effort in support of Pakistani national security, then why object?

The only problem with that is "he who pays the piper calls the tune".
 
National security is intricately linked with the economic state of a nation.

Pride and 'honor' is not going to help secure national interests.

What was wrong with allowing the US to operate out of Pakistani air bases?

There is something that is wrong here.

Pakistani people over the course of 14 years have lost a lot. They have lost employment, increased poverty, low literacy, health deteriorated, electricity shortfall and so on.

On the contrary, $$$ motherlands and their civilian pups have gained a lot. Dachas, tonic, $$$ - you name it.

See the problem here?

If Pakistan was fighting its existence past 14 years...why did the elite not sacrifice the same?

If that is the case and it is the case....Than it makes me and all of us think this was another scam from the motherlands, drug lords, civilians, business buddies etc - And it was.
 
Pakistan should have allowed America to conduct air and ground operations in FATA and KPK in 2004, ye beghairati aaj waali beghairati sey faidamund hoti. Pashtuns would have focused their anger ,energies and revenge against America. Those who would have died in B-52 bombing, would have been shaheeds and this could have been simple and clean war of independence for pashtuns of FATA and KPK. But pakistan army chose dollars instead of being wise and tactical.

Only fools talk like you, Pakistan had no choice, you don't argue and reason with a wounded bear on rampage, that wounded bear was the US. Talibs should never have occupied KPK/FATA the way they did. Whether or not we were at war these elements, they are cancerous.

We don't need people who think killing random civilians en masse is not only justified, but the will of God.

I frankly don't care who's war it was or is. I don't care what happens/happened in Afghanistan. Talibs have bled us for years. Now I want to see every last one of their dogs butchered.
 
Only fools talk like you, Pakistan had no choice, you don't argue and reason with a wounded bear on rampage, that wounded bear was the US. Talibs should never have occupied KPK/FATA the way they did. Whether or not we were at war these elements, they are cancerous.

We don't need people who think killing random civilians en masse is not only justified, but the will of God.

I frankly don't care who's war it was or is. I don't care what happens/happened in Afghanistan. Talibs have bled us for years. Now I want to see every last one of their dogs butchered.


Okay. I understand. Amrika was a wounded bear. Which by the way it was not. It never was. It never will be. Unless other country takes over her technologically and consequently militarily.

Lets assume it was - Than why did our leaders make $$$? Have you ever seen a chart of Pakistani GDP correlating with Amrikan aid/$$$? Do you know how much scammy money did the motherlands under Mushy make?

So is it that Pakistani people had no choice OR Pakistani motherlands and elite had no choice BUT TO MAKE $$$ - Mun-o-Amrika.
 
The only problem with that is "he who pays the piper calls the tune".
Of course there will be demands from the US, there always have been, yet the military and civilian nuclear program have continued unabated.

The US is more than likely going to demand increased security operations against militant groups, which is something that is in Pakistani national interests as well.
 
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