Pakistan to buy six Type 041 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines from China

[HAIDER]

Pakistan is planning to purchase six conventional submarines from China as a way to counter the influence of expanding Indian maritime power, the Military-Industrial Courier, a Russian-language website focused on global defense issues reported on April 3.

Rana Tanveer Hussain, Pakistan's minister of defense production, is currently visiting Beijing to discuss the purchase of submarines from China, according to information released by the Pakistani government. Reports have circulated that Islamabad will sign a contract with Beijing before the end of the year to introduce six Type 041 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines, to be constructed at either the Wuhan or Jiangnan shipyard.

However, some experts say that the submarines will be S20s, the export version of the Type 041. The only difference between the Type 041 and the S20 is that the latter does not have the former's air-independent propulsion system. If Pakistan chooses to order the air-independent propulsion system separately from China, it can still be easily integrated into the submarine due to the modular design of the S20.

Though China has not specified the types of weapon systems with which the S20 can be equipped, the Global Times published under the auspices of the Communist Party mouthpiece People's Daily stated that a variety of sensors and weapons can also be easily incorporated on request. The Chinese delegation also discussed with Hussain the establishment of a shipyard in Pakistan to be run jointly by the two nations. Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works may be chosen by Beijing to design submarines due to its previous experience in reproducing Chinese vessels.




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Chinese Type 041 Qing Class Submarine was launched at Wuhan Shipyard last year. It is rumored that Type 041 Qing Class Submarines are fitted with flank sonar arrays and improved targeting system to effectively provide guidance to the long-range antiship missiles and land attack cruise missiles.

 

[elitepilot09]

Chinese subs, especially those without AIP, are just pieces of metal in water. Pakistan should be opting for 2-3 state-of-the-art German submarines instead.

 

[Pakistanisage]

There is also the difference of size between Type 41 and S20.

 

[rockstar08]

man this is again getting confusing
is there any source from Navy

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

Chines are good in jet fighter but in naval I doubt.. Can any Chinese friend explain about naval capabilities????

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan is planning to purchase six conventional submarines from China as a way to counter the influence of expanding Indian maritime power, the Military-Industrial Courier, a Russian-language website focused on global defense issues reported on April 3.

Rana Tanveer Hussain, Pakistan's minister of defense production, is currently visiting Beijing to discuss the purchase of submarines from China, according to information released by the Pakistani government. Reports have circulated that Islamabad will sign a contract with Beijing before the end of the year to introduce six Type 041 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines, to be constructed at either the Wuhan or Jiangnan shipyard.

However, some experts say that the submarines will be S20s, the export version of the Type 041. The only difference between the Type 041 and the S20 is that the latter does not have the former's air-independent propulsion system. If Pakistan chooses to order the air-independent propulsion system separately from China, it can still be easily integrated into the submarine due to the modular design of the S20.

Though China has not specified the types of weapon systems with which the S20 can be equipped, the Global Times published under the auspices of the Communist Party mouthpiece People's Daily stated that a variety of sensors and weapons can also be easily incorporated on request. The Chinese delegation also discussed with Hussain the establishment of a shipyard in Pakistan to be run jointly by the two nations. Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works may be chosen by Beijing to design submarines due to its previous experience in reproducing Chinese vessels.




Pakistan to buy six submarines from China: Russian media｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

Chinese Type 041 Qing Class Submarine was launched at Wuhan Shipyard last year. It is rumored that Type 041 Qing Class Submarines are fitted with flank sonar arrays and improved targeting system to effectively provide guidance to the long-range antiship missiles and land attack cruise missiles.

That is good news hope we could get around 8 more frigates we need to have around 24 Frigates and corvettes with around 12 submarines

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

Can we put some European avionics systems in it for better submarine...

That is good news hope we could get around 8 more frigates we need to have around 24 Frigates and corvettes with around 12 submarines

How many submarine and frigates are there in navy now??

 

[Zarvan]

Can we put some European avionics systems in it for better submarine...



How many submarine and frigates are there in navy now??

Around 11 frigates but few to be retired soon @Aeronaut

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Its just like when husband and wife plan about family planning but nothing happens , and they make enough babies for a cricket team

 

[PoKeMon]

There is also the difference of size between Type 41 and S20.

Offcourse when AIP section is missing. I am not sure if VLS is there in either of types.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I doubt PN will buy subs without AIP... they even equippppped the Agostas with MESMA AIPs.

 

[andy_hujian]

Chines are good in jet fighter but in naval I doubt.. Can any Chinese friend explain about naval capabilities????

China has good strategic subs like 094, 095 with JL-2 missiles. But the regular subs are not that good as Russian made
and some European subs. The good side is, as a semi military ally, Pakistan gets much cheaper price and better after sell service.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I doubt PN will buy subs without AIP... they even equippppped the Agostas with MESMA AIPs.

Exactly all such news are baseless, Pakistan will only buy Subs that are on par or advanced than U214 German sub those were something Pakistan was looking forward too. Second AIP is must and requirement is bigger than current A-90B. PN is looking to counter indian Navy up coming french subs and russian leased subs therefore PN is looking to buy something highly advanced...yes Pakistan is short on funds and the price would not be less than $2B.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

These are all rumours and speculations.
PN will buy what's best for it.
When the contract is signed, details will be released to the media.
The only thing confirmed is that the subs will come from China.

 

[HRK]

China's new Yuan-class sub

Key Points

• Images of a new variant of China's Type 041 Yuan-class conventional submarine suggest it is being prepared for sea trials
• Images also suggest Chinese shipbuilders are starting to plan a large surface combatant that may be a next-generation destroyer or cruiser

New Chinese-sourced imagery shows that the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) continues to modify its Type 041 Yuan class conventional submarine and that it is making progress towards a new large destroyer or cruiser.

On 10 and 11 December 2013 the first images of a new variant of the Type 041 - also sometimes referred to as the Type 039A, Type 039C or Type 039X - appeared on Chinese military web forums. It had just been launched by the Wuhan Shipyard of the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC), the major manufacturer of China's non-nuclear powered submarines. Only seen partially in these first images, a new image seen on 6 April shows the new Type 041 variant has a raked sail that is similar to recent German SSK designs.

This new sail design may incorporate an additional high-frequency sonar at the base of the sail, as do some other submarines with similar designs. This Type 041 may also be slightly longer than previous variants.

Uncorroborated Chinese sources have suggested that the new variant displaces about 3,500 tons compared to about 3,000 tons for earlier Type 041s. This could indicate that the new variant has more weapons - IHS Jane's Fighting Ships states that the existing variants are armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes. Yu-6 wake-homing torpedoes may also be carried.

The basic export version, marketed as the S20 and unveiled in February 2013, displaces about 2,300 tons.

Since 2004 12 Type 041 submarines are believed to have been launched, while the US Department of Defense estimated in its May 2013 annual report on China's military to Congress that production could reach 20 ships.

New imagery also shows that the China Ship Design and Research Center, or 701 Institute of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) at the Wuhan University of Science and Technology, is building a near full-scale model of a new large surface combatant. The model is close to the near full-size replica of the aircraft carrier Liaoning that was built in 2008-09.

A view of the development/training mock-up for a new PLAN surface combatant built by the China Ship Design and Research Center, or 701 Institute of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC), at the Wuhan University of Science and Technology. (Via CJDBY web page)

Like the carrier replica, this new model will likely feature radar and other offensive and defensive electronic systems. Fitting them to models allows both design refinement and training of future operators.

Based on current dimensions of the mock-up, a naval source estimates the vessel's length to be up to 187 m with a beam of about 23 m. With these dimensions, the source estimates that the intended vessel will have space for 64 vertical launching system (VLS) cells in both its fore and aft sections. It also appears to have a pedestal towards its stern that can accommodate an L-band radar.

The development/training mock-up for a new PLAN surface combatant is close to the near full-size replica of the aircraft carrier Liaoning built in 2008-09. (Via CJDBY web page)

There has been much speculation that China would soon build a new larger surface combatant to carry both advanced electronics and new larger and longer-range anti-air and anti-ship/land-attack missiles. The new ship is sometimes called the Type 055 (following on from the Type 52 destroyer and Type 54 frigate classes) and is variously estimated to displace 8,000-10,000 tons.

Construction of a Wuhan model may indicate that ship construction could start in the next few years.