PAKISTAN NAVY AND Type 022 missile boat

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    why Pakistan navy is not interested in Type 022 missile boat
    which is good against big ships and carriers ?
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    My friendly Does pakistans Current Economy situation allow us to make a wishlist of New Gen weapons i dont think so they have to manage what they got till economy shows some sign of life
     
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    These are good boats thou.
     
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    yes wish list is long but no mojo !!!!!
     
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    Because they already ordered more capable n bigger 500 ton face with tot.
     
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    this boat is best to counter Indian navy
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    What kind of anti-air armament it has ?
     
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    • Anti-ship missiles: 8 C-801/802/803 in friction stir welded aluminium missile launch containers[3] or
    • Land-attack missiles: 8 Hongniao missile-2 long range land attack cruise missiles.[4]
    • Surface-to-air missiles: FLS-1 surface-to-air launcher with 12 QW class MANPAD missiles
    • 1 × licensed copy of KBP AO-18 6-barrel 30 mm gun (AK-630) by ZEERI
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    Azmat FAC is better than this and equal to PN requirements. Just it needs:
    3-Cell Torpedoes Launcher on each sides
    50/57 m.m Main Gun
    Proper CIWS
    instead of single boat it should have 2 of them.
     
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    The Azmats displace 560 tons, are 63 meters (206.6 feet) long, and are armed with eight C802A anti-ship missiles (range: 180 kilometers), one 76 mm cannon and one multibarrel 30mm cannon for anti-missile defense
     
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    But it needs more.....
     
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    Reuters says in its annual report on the Chinese military, the Pentagon said earlier this month the Chinese navy had deployed about 60 of the Houbei class fast-speed missile boats.

    With an estimated top speed of more than 36 knots, the 225-tonne boats can attack with their YJ-83 anti-ship missiles with a range of 200 km. They also appear to be equipped with advanced data processing links so these missiles can be directed from sensors on other aircraft or ships.

    The boat also has a close-in weapon system for defence against incoming missiles and what appears to be a launcher for anti-aircraft missiles. A retired US navy officer says, “This craft is a purebred ship killer, perhaps even a carrier killer,”

    The fleet of 60 such crafts is an important part of China’s so-called “anti-access” strategy aimed at keeping foreign forces away from waters surrounding Taiwan in time of conflict.

    China learnt the technology of wave-piercing and aluminium-hull design through its join venture with Australian high-speed ferry designer AMD Marine Consulting and has used it to develop those Houbei class boats.

    The Pentagon said it would continue with efforts to block the transfer of important technology to China that would contribute to China’s defence industry and military firepower.
    The Reuters Report

    It looked like a textbook win-win deal when Australian high-speed ferry designer AMD Marine Consulting formed a joint venture in 1993 with the engineering arm of a state-owned Chinese shipbuilder.

    The joint venture partner, Guangzhou Marine Engineering Corporation, a subsidiary of the giant China State Shipbuilding Corporation, gained access to state-of-the-art technology in wave-piercing, aluminum-hull designs.

    For AMD, a Sydney-based private company, the payoff was a foothold in China’s maritime market during a period of rapid growth.

    The joint venture, Seabus International Co, began designing high-speed aluminium catamaran ferries and sea rescue vessels for China’s inland and coastal waters, according to the company’s website.

    That’s when a third winner emerged.

    Attracted to the performance of these fast, stable and relatively cheap vessels, the Chinese military adopted the technology as it began replacing its aging missile boats that had been derived from an obsolete Soviet design.

    The new fleet of missile boats are part of a naval buildup that back up China’s claims to islets and reefs in the South China Sea, waters rich in oil and gas and which half the world’s ship tonnage passes through each year.

    This growing military muscle has prompted the United States to make a strategic shift toward Asia.

    U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta, on his first visit to the region since announcing that shift in January, will brief allies about it this weekend, beginning with “The Shangri-La Dialogue”. The event brings together senior civilian and military chiefs from nearly 30 Asia-Pacific states to foster security cooperation and takes its name from the host Singapore hotel.
    MISSILE BOAT

    Since 2004, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) navy has deployed a rapidly expanding fleet of heavily armed, Houbei class fast-attack missile boats based on AMD’s advanced catamaran hull.

    In a clear demonstration of the value of foreign dual-use technology in China’s rapid military buildup, the Houbei class or Type-022 as it is also known, appears to be adapted from the AMD 350 patrol boat design, Chinese and Western analysts say.

    However, AMD’s technical director, Allan Soars, said the Australian company was not involved in the design of the missile craft.

    He said after the joint venture company Seabus International had designed some fast ferries it appeared the PLA Navy had decided the company’s wave piercing technology would make a good platform for a military vessel.

    “I have no knowledge of the mechanisms at play, but it would appear that Seabus International was co-opted by the PLA navy to design the vessel platform,” Soars said. This was not done at the Seabus International offices but at a military establishment.

    “The whole process was carried out in secrecy and under strict confidentiality agreements directly with the Seabus International staff who are all Chinese nationals.”
    PENTAGON REPORT

    In its annual report on the Chinese military, the Pentagon said earlier this month the Chinese navy had deployed about 60 of the Houbei class patrol craft.

    “These boats have increased the PLA Navy’s littoral warfare capabilities,” the Pentagon said.

    The United States is also beefing up its littoral warfare capabilities in the region. The USS Freedom, first in a new class of combat ships, will be sent to Singapore next year.

    The smaller, shallow-draft ships are intended for operations close to shore and capable of deploying quickly in a crisis. Singapore has discussed hosting up to four such U.S. “Littoral Combat Ships” on a rotational basis at its naval facilities.

    From putting marines in northern Australia, stepping up military ties with Vietnam and strengthening its long-standing alliance with the Philippines, Washington has quickly begun executing the “Asian pivot”.
    “ANTI-ACCESS STRATEGY”

    In the report, the Pentagon said China’s defence and civilian sectors work in close cooperation to incorporate technology that could accelerate military modernisation.

    The cumulative effect of dual-use technology transfers, particularly from the United States, could make a substantial contribution to Chinese military firepower, it said.

    The mass production of the Type-022 suggests the Chinese navy believes these vessels will complement its so-called “anti-access” strategy aimed at keeping foreign forces away from waters surrounding Taiwan in time of conflict, said Sam Roggeveen, an analyst and commentator at the Sydney-based Lowy Institute for International Policy, an independent private foreign policy research group.

    China considers self-ruled Taiwan a renegade province to be brought under mainland control eventually, and by force if necessary. The United States is Taiwan’s biggest ally and arms supplier and is duty-bound by legislation to help the island defend itself.

    “China’s anti-access capabilities are now such that it would be very difficult for the U.S. Navy to intervene in a conflict over Taiwan at an acceptable cost,” Roggeveen said. “The Type-22 has made a contribution to that capability.”
    UNDER THE RADAR

    Some analysts forecast the Chinese navy will take delivery of up to 100 of these vessels, which carry an estimated price tag of about $15 million each.

    No one has suggested AMD Marine Consulting has done anything illegal. Under Australian law, exporters of military equipment must seek government approval for foreign sales but these restrictions do not apply to work done by Australian company subsidiaries operating offshore.

    Soars said the advantage of AMD’s wave piercing hull design was that it delivered exceptional sea keeping qualities, allowing smaller vessels to sail into rough water.

    “While the military could obviously afford larger vessels we speculate that they wanted to keep the vessel size down to minimise radar signature although we cannot rule out cost considerations given the number of vessels,” he said.

    An Australian company is also providing aluminium hull design technology to the U.S. military. Western Australian shipbuilder Austal has won contracts to design and build a new class of littoral combat ship and high-speed transport catamarans for the U.S. Navy.
    WESTERN WEAPONS SALES BAN

    Despite bans on Western weapons sales to China that have remained in place since the 1989 Tiananmen crackdown, Beijing has mounted a rapid military build-up that has made the PLA increasingly capable of challenging the military dominance the United States has enjoyed in Asia since the end of the Cold War.

    Average annual increases of almost 12 per cent in military spending over more than two decades have allowed China to deploy an expanding force of potent warships and submarines, long-range strike aircraft, missiles and modernised nuclear warheads.

    Early in this period, China relied heavily on imports of Russian weapons but this has slowed as the domestic arms industry gears up to build more locally designed hardware.

    As part of this shift, dual-use technology from abroad has been crucial to advances across a broad range of China’s military technologies including satellites, communications networks, helicopters, radars, marine engines, signals processing and training simulators, military analysts say.

    China’s state-owned commercial shipbuilders, who also deliver warships for the navy, have been at the forefront of absorbing foreign technology.
    TOP PLA PRIORITY

    The link between AMD’s designs and the Chinese navy was first reported in 2007 in SIGNAL Magazine, a Fairfax, Virginia-based specialist defence technology publication. Roggeveen also reported on the deal in a Lowy Institute blog.

    Since then, the expanding Houbei class fleet has become a top priority for China’s military with mass production involving up to five shipyards, defence experts say.

    With an estimated top speed of more than 36 knots, the 225-tonne boats were clearly designed for offensive missions where they would attack with their YJ-83 anti-ship missiles, which can strike targets at a distance of more than 200 km, experts say.

    They also appear to be equipped with advanced data processing links so these missiles can be directed from sensors on other aircraft or ships.

    The Type-22 also has a close-in weapon system for defence against incoming missiles and what appears to be a launcher for anti-aircraft missiles.
    “CARRIER KILLER”

    Naval strategists suggest that deployed in big numbers in wartime, these fast and stealthy craft could overwhelm bigger and much more expensive enemy warships with waves of missiles fired from different directions.

    Combined with missiles from China’s land-based launchers, surface warships, submarines and strike aircraft, these attacks could sharply raise the stakes for an enemy operating close to the mainland.

    “This craft is a purebred ship killer, perhaps even a carrier killer,” wrote John Patch, a retired U.S. Navy officer in an article for the United States Naval Institute.

    In its report on China, the Pentagon said it would continue with efforts to block the transfer of important technology to China that would contribute to China’s defence industry and military firepower.

    However, for the United States and its allies, it could be difficult to evaluate which technologies or materials should be restricted, according to military analysts, particularly for countries that benefit from close trading relationships with China.

    “If you were going to be terribly rigid about this, you’d argue that Australian iron-ore exports indirectly benefit the PLA and thus should be stopped,” said Roggeveen.
    China

    Reuters says in its annual report on the Chinese military, the Pentagon said earlier this month the Chinese navy had deployed about 60 of the Houbei class fast-speed missile boats.

    With an estimated top speed of more than 36 knots, the 225-tonne boats can attack with their YJ-83 anti-ship missiles with a range of 200 km. They also appear to be equipped with advanced data processing links so these missiles can be directed from sensors on other aircraft or ships.

    The boat also has a close-in weapon system for defence against incoming missiles and what appears to be a launcher for anti-aircraft missiles. A retired US navy officer says, “This craft is a purebred ship killer, perhaps even a carrier killer,”

    The fleet of 60 such crafts is an important part of China’s so-called “anti-access” strategy aimed at keeping foreign forces away from waters surrounding Taiwan in time of conflict.

    China learnt the technology of wave-piercing and aluminium-hull design through its join venture with Australian high-speed ferry designer AMD Marine Consulting and has used it to develop those Houbei class boats.

    The Pentagon said it would continue with efforts to block the transfer of important technology to China that would contribute to China’s defence industry and military firepower.
    The Reuters Report

    It looked like a textbook win-win deal when Australian high-speed ferry designer AMD Marine Consulting formed a joint venture in 1993 with the engineering arm of a state-owned Chinese shipbuilder.

    The joint venture partner, Guangzhou Marine Engineering Corporation, a subsidiary of the giant China State Shipbuilding Corporation, gained access to state-of-the-art technology in wave-piercing, aluminum-hull designs.

    For AMD, a Sydney-based private company, the payoff was a foothold in China’s maritime market during a period of rapid growth.

    The joint venture, Seabus International Co, began designing high-speed aluminium catamaran ferries and sea rescue vessels for China’s inland and coastal waters, according to the company’s website.

    That’s when a third winner emerged.

    Attracted to the performance of these fast, stable and relatively cheap vessels, the Chinese military adopted the technology as it began replacing its aging missile boats that had been derived from an obsolete Soviet design.

    The new fleet of missile boats are part of a naval buildup that back up China’s claims to islets and reefs in the South China Sea, waters rich in oil and gas and which half the world’s ship tonnage passes through each year.

    This growing military muscle has prompted the United States to make a strategic shift toward Asia.

    U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta, on his first visit to the region since announcing that shift in January, will brief allies about it this weekend, beginning with “The Shangri-La Dialogue”. The event brings together senior civilian and military chiefs from nearly 30 Asia-Pacific states to foster security cooperation and takes its name from the host Singapore hotel.
    MISSILE BOAT

    Since 2004, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) navy has deployed a rapidly expanding fleet of heavily armed, Houbei class fast-attack missile boats based on AMD’s advanced catamaran hull.

    In a clear demonstration of the value of foreign dual-use technology in China’s rapid military buildup, the Houbei class or Type-022 as it is also known, appears to be adapted from the AMD 350 patrol boat design, Chinese and Western analysts say.

    However, AMD’s technical director, Allan Soars, said the Australian company was not involved in the design of the missile craft.

    He said after the joint venture company Seabus International had designed some fast ferries it appeared the PLA Navy had decided the company’s wave piercing technology would make a good platform for a military vessel.

    “I have no knowledge of the mechanisms at play, but it would appear that Seabus International was co-opted by the PLA navy to design the vessel platform,” Soars said. This was not done at the Seabus International offices but at a military establishment.

    “The whole process was carried out in secrecy and under strict confidentiality agreements directly with the Seabus International staff who are all Chinese nationals.”
    PENTAGON REPORT

    In its annual report on the Chinese military, the Pentagon said earlier this month the Chinese navy had deployed about 60 of the Houbei class patrol craft.

    “These boats have increased the PLA Navy’s littoral warfare capabilities,” the Pentagon said.

    The United States is also beefing up its littoral warfare capabilities in the region. The USS Freedom, first in a new class of combat ships, will be sent to Singapore next year.

    The smaller, shallow-draft ships are intended for operations close to shore and capable of deploying quickly in a crisis. Singapore has discussed hosting up to four such U.S. “Littoral Combat Ships” on a rotational basis at its naval facilities.

    From putting marines in northern Australia, stepping up military ties with Vietnam and strengthening its long-standing alliance with the Philippines, Washington has quickly begun executing the “Asian pivot”.
    “ANTI-ACCESS STRATEGY”

    In the report, the Pentagon said China’s defence and civilian sectors work in close cooperation to incorporate technology that could accelerate military modernisation.

    The cumulative effect of dual-use technology transfers, particularly from the United States, could make a substantial contribution to Chinese military firepower, it said.

    The mass production of the Type-022 suggests the Chinese navy believes these vessels will complement its so-called “anti-access” strategy aimed at keeping foreign forces away from waters surrounding Taiwan in time of conflict, said Sam Roggeveen, an analyst and commentator at the Sydney-based Lowy Institute for International Policy, an independent private foreign policy research group.

    China considers self-ruled Taiwan a renegade province to be brought under mainland control eventually, and by force if necessary. The United States is Taiwan’s biggest ally and arms supplier and is duty-bound by legislation to help the island defend itself.

    “China’s anti-access capabilities are now such that it would be very difficult for the U.S. Navy to intervene in a conflict over Taiwan at an acceptable cost,” Roggeveen said. “The Type-22 has made a contribution to that capability.”
    UNDER THE RADAR

    Some analysts forecast the Chinese navy will take delivery of up to 100 of these vessels, which carry an estimated price tag of about $15 million each.

    No one has suggested AMD Marine Consulting has done anything illegal. Under Australian law, exporters of military equipment must seek government approval for foreign sales but these restrictions do not apply to work done by Australian company subsidiaries operating offshore.

    Soars said the advantage of AMD’s wave piercing hull design was that it delivered exceptional sea keeping qualities, allowing smaller vessels to sail into rough water.

    “While the military could obviously afford larger vessels we speculate that they wanted to keep the vessel size down to minimise radar signature although we cannot rule out cost considerations given the number of vessels,” he said.

    An Australian company is also providing aluminium hull design technology to the U.S. military. Western Australian shipbuilder Austal has won contracts to design and build a new class of littoral combat ship and high-speed transport catamarans for the U.S. Navy.
    WESTERN WEAPONS SALES BAN

    Despite bans on Western weapons sales to China that have remained in place since the 1989 Tiananmen crackdown, Beijing has mounted a rapid military build-up that has made the PLA increasingly capable of challenging the military dominance the United States has enjoyed in Asia since the end of the Cold War.

    Average annual increases of almost 12 per cent in military spending over more than two decades have allowed China to deploy an expanding force of potent warships and submarines, long-range strike aircraft, missiles and modernised nuclear warheads.

    Early in this period, China relied heavily on imports of Russian weapons but this has slowed as the domestic arms industry gears up to build more locally designed hardware.

    As part of this shift, dual-use technology from abroad has been crucial to advances across a broad range of China’s military technologies including satellites, communications networks, helicopters, radars, marine engines, signals processing and training simulators, military analysts say.

    China’s state-owned commercial shipbuilders, who also deliver warships for the navy, have been at the forefront of absorbing foreign technology.
    TOP PLA PRIORITY

    The link between AMD’s designs and the Chinese navy was first reported in 2007 in SIGNAL Magazine, a Fairfax, Virginia-based specialist defence technology publication. Roggeveen also reported on the deal in a Lowy Institute blog.

    Since then, the expanding Houbei class fleet has become a top priority for China’s military with mass production involving up to five shipyards, defence experts say.

    With an estimated top speed of more than 36 knots, the 225-tonne boats were clearly designed for offensive missions where they would attack with their YJ-83 anti-ship missiles, which can strike targets at a distance of more than 200 km, experts say.

    They also appear to be equipped with advanced data processing links so these missiles can be directed from sensors on other aircraft or ships.

    The Type-22 also has a close-in weapon system for defence against incoming missiles and what appears to be a launcher for anti-aircraft missiles.
    “CARRIER KILLER”

    Naval strategists suggest that deployed in big numbers in wartime, these fast and stealthy craft could overwhelm bigger and much more expensive enemy warships with waves of missiles fired from different directions.

    Combined with missiles from China’s land-based launchers, surface warships, submarines and strike aircraft, these attacks could sharply raise the stakes for an enemy operating close to the mainland.

    “This craft is a purebred ship killer, perhaps even a carrier killer,” wrote John Patch, a retired U.S. Navy officer in an article for the United States Naval Institute.

    In its report on China, the Pentagon said it would continue with efforts to block the transfer of important technology to China that would contribute to China’s defence industry and military firepower.

    However, for the United States and its allies, it could be difficult to evaluate which technologies or materials should be restricted, according to military analysts, particularly for countries that benefit from close trading relationships with China.

    “If you were going to be terribly rigid about this, you’d argue that Australian iron-ore exports indirectly benefit the PLA and thus should be stopped,” said Roggeveen.
    http://chinadailymail.com/2012/06/02/chinas-houbei-class-fast-speed-missile-boats/

    fear of type 022
     
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    As a Stealth missile boats, type 022 show a lot of strong points some like only within 500 tons, with a high-speed flexible, durable stealth, firepower, and has a certain air defense capability, etc.Generally with a good cost performance. And really would be a good choice for PN to an asymmetric war.
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    These boats are small PN needs stealth patrol boats in class of 500+ tonnage, if this design is good for that bigger tonnage than PN can go for it in future, but PN also have MRTP-33 they can go for their larger versions if possible.

    Sea Shadow is a good design for 500 ton patrol boat.
    Sea Shadow (IX-529) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Here is a link on MRTP-33
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