Pakistan ka matlab kya?

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    Pakistan ka matlab kya?

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    By Anwar Iqbal


    Published a day ago


    67 years after independence, Pakistanis still chant on their streets: Pakistan ka matlab kya? (What was the purpose of creating Pakistan)?” The answer, obviously, is: Islam. Pakistan was created for Islam.


    Whether Pakistan was created for Islam or not is a dispute that has not been settled yet and there is no indication that it can be settled in the near future.

    The religious lobby, however, uses this slogan to strengthen the country’s Islamic identity. On paper, Pakistan is an Islamic republic and the religious lobby, which raises this slogan, wants to ensure that it remains so.

    So far, they have been very successful in achieving this target because Pakistan has not only retained its religious label but has also become much more conservative than it was in 1947, when it was carved out of India.



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    In the 1980s, the Afghan war provided this lobby the opportunity to acquire weapons, military training and international patronage to fight the Russians. After 1989, when the Soviets left Afghanistan, the religious lobby decided to use their Afghan experience for turning Pakistan into a religious state.

    And they did receive a lot of support from the country’s civil and military establishment who wanted to use this lobby to achieve their foreign policy objectives.

    Pakistan indeed was turned into a large laboratory where militant groups from all over the Islamic world were brought together, initially with support from the US and its Arab allies, to do all sorts of experiments with the country.

    This exercise brought forth Taliban militants, who initially received guidance from the Pakistani establishment, but soon turned against them as well.

    The plan was to use the Islamist militants for creating the so-called strategic depth by bringing Afghanistan on Pakistan’s side in a possible conflict with India. This target was never achieved but the militants did become an existential threat to the Pakistani state.

    They have already killed tens of thousands of people, including six thousand soldiers, and have proved on dozens of occasions that they can hit any target inside Pakistan, whenever they want.

    This forced the Pakistani military to launch a major offensive against the Taliban in the country’s tribal region. The military has forced them to retreat to their hideouts, both in Afghanistan and inside Pakistan. It is still not clear if they have been finally defeated or will re-emerge from their hideouts to shed more blood.



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    But the Taliban are not the real cause of Pakistan’s identity crisis. They are just a symptom.

    The real cause is the very slogan that is still chanted in Pakistan’s streets: Pakistan ka matlab kya?

    Those gleefully chanting this slogan do not realise that their effort to strengthen the country’s religious identity also creates doubts about the very existence of the country.

    In their effort to impose their views on the people, they have prevented Pakistan from moving ahead. They argue that first it should be decided why Pakistan was created. The country should focus on other issues only after resolving this basic issue.

    It is like buying a car for the family and then refusing to drive it until it is decided what was it bought for:

    Taking the earning members to work? Driving children to school? Doing grocery or for visiting friends?

    The answer is clear, a car can serve all these groups but to do so, the owners first need to start driving it.

    Unfortunately, the religious right in Pakistan refuses to allow any one to start driving this car until it is decided Pakistan ka matlab kya.

    Pakistan, like most other countries, has a religious right, liberals, socialists and the seculars who want to separate state from religion.

    In democracy, no group or individual is in power forever. You can have a government led by the religious right, as it happened in India this year. It can then go to the liberals, the socialists or social conservatives, whoever the people vote for.


    Each group has the right to implement whatever system it wants, while in power, as others have the right to oppose that system. This is the purpose of the opposition in a democratic system.



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    In democracy, it is wrong to ask the purpose behind creating a state.

    The purpose is clear. A state is created to provide a space for a group, large or small, to live within particular geographical boundaries. Once this target is achieved, the state then goes about providing stability, security and economic opportunities for this population to live peacefully and prosper.

    The people of this state have the right to vote for, and bring into power, whoever they think can best serve their interests. If they fail to satisfy them, they can, and should be, shown the door in the next elections, not before as it is often done in Pakistan.

    It is the duty of those who want to serve the people to show what the purpose of the system they advocate is, and how they want to achieve that goal.

    So the right question would be to ask these groups what is the purpose of the system that they want to implement.

    And not Pakistan ka matlab kya.?

    (To be continued)

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1120284/pakistan-ka-matlab-kya
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    Last time i check it was " Land of Pure " ?
    or may be " La illaha il lal la , Muhammad dur rasool Allah "

    anyway i like both :pakistan:
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    so many means

    pakistan ka matlab kya ? jan bacha jan bacha - aam admi


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? jitny ho saky log mara - taliban


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? insaf la insaf la - courts main phansy log


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? kursi dila kursi dila - politicains


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? bijli la paani la gas la - middle class


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? humara kya humara kya - upper class


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? la ila il allah - islamic politicans


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? ohh khuda jhangwi se bacha - shia muslims


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? maal kama maal kama - businesses men


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? usa mana USA mana - army


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? bomb barsa bomb barsa - PAF


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? budjet dila budjet dila - navy

    or bhi bhut hain

    or humary jesy sharabiyoon ke liye


    pakistan ka matlab kya ? jawan hai raat saqiya sharab la sharab la :yahoo::chilli::victory::bounce:
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    - Ok that is disgusting...Pakistan ka yeh matlab lagta hai?

    Whats new in that? Tumko Indian/ Bangali/ Nepali/ Sri Lankan courts konsa insaaf dayri hain?

    Whats new in that? Tumko Indian/ Bangali/ Nepali/ Sri Lankan politicians konsa clean politics khelray hain?

    Why didnt you give this meaning:

    Woh baychara country jidher kay log koi kaam nai kertay bus criticize kerkay zindagi guzar tay hain! Or the poor country where the people will criticize their own country but never work towards a better Pakistan! Criticizing mein PhD ki wi hai ...then again that is also the case for the whole of South Asia...Never do 1 ounce of goodness just for the sake of doing good...behind everything you seek a reward! Or without trying you criticize!
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    La Illaha Illal Lah
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    well here is the bitter reality


    Instead, let me put it this way: Being a Muslim is given, being Pakistani is taken.


    and till pakistanies decide weather they want pakistan or so alled "khilafat" i guess pakistanies will remain wandering in wilderness in search of

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    So much bakwas in one thread.

    @Emmie - pls take care of it.
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    Well during the partition, my maternal Grandfather traveled all the way from Bihar to his village near Attock and my paternal Grandfather migrated from Hoshiarpur to Lahore. Both of them told us the same meaning .......

    Laa Ilaha Illallah hu Muhammad ur Rasoolullah !!!
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    Retarde thread is retarded.
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    My Grand Father worked for Pakistan movement. He was among those who ensured that Arains in Jallandhur Doab voted for Muslim League. He was sold on this slogan and he sold this slogan to others.

    Now there is a crop of secularists who insist that all this is a lie and that it is tearing Pakistan apart. I call BS on all this.

    Secularists operate on a simple deception that equates religion with sectarianism. This is how they sell their narrative.

    I am old enough to have seen how Iqbal the philosopher has been almost completely replaced by Jinnah the secularist. Of course Iqbal was more than a philosopher and of course Jinnah was not a secularist as such. But this is how information has consistently been presented by certain people who were encouraged by PPP-sympathisers, former communists, and the like. There is a particular community who wishes to benefit from this deception and they are the most ardent supporters of such lies.

    The problem has been that a broad inclusive interpretation of religion has been hijacked by hardline Deobandis (not all Deobandis are hardliners) and Wahabists, for their sectarian agenda. No doubt Iranian revolution of 1979 and Afghan Jihad contributed to the strengthening of this trend. As reaction, many main-stream people have begun to question the role of religion in the state's ideological basis.

    Tabliban phenomenon and its back-ground as a Deobandi off-shoot together with Wahabist extremist Al-Qaeda has provided plenty of excuses to liberals to bash religion. For secular people of extremist tint, religion is same as sectarianism and both should be stamped out. That is why we keep seeing idiotic articles and stupid analysis by people who's ideological Mecca lies in the 'Western world'.

    If one calmly looks at situation and trends, one can see that the sectarian extremism in Pakistan is being challenged and its tide is slowly being turned by people and government. I can cite specific incidents and happenings to back up my claim. So in my view all is not lost, Pakistan has not gone to the dogs, and certainly we need not look at religion as a Genie that must be put in a bottle and cast out to sea... Arabian Sea (Ahem!).

    I do believe that Sectarian outfits must not be allowed to form political parties and contest elections. This would bring clarity to our political landscape. But this can happen once we have turned the tide of violent Sectarianism-based Jihadism to an extent that attention could be turned to people who exploit religion for political gain.

    My list of Sectarian outfits that use politics as a cover include: ASWJ, Sunni Tehreek, TNFJ, JUI (all types), JUP. JI as a principle eschews sectarianism even though most of it Modudite members are pretty close to Wahabist thought. I would leave it, just so that people like these have some organized way of participating in elections and so can be kept in the system.

    @Aeronaut , @Oscar , @Bratva
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    Just like there were no sects in Islam after death of Hazrat Ali (R.A) and Hazrat Hussain (R.A), but it only emerged after 100 or so years due to deepening schism b/w Supporters Ahlul bayt who were based in Kufa and adjoining areas and Umayyad government. Supporters of Ahlul bayt created their own alternate reality and narrations and began to propagate them with such vigor that to this they after 1000 or more years, sects thrive in Islam. The reason being with time, narrations become skew, people manipulate the history, suppress history to for their own benefits, stories to downplay other sides and what not and when they consistently propagates it generation after generation it becomes a gospel truth

    Likewise the purpose of this example is to relate things with narrations liberal attribute to . We have seen @Azlan Haider interpretations and alternate narrations that he so ardently propagates.

    What should be the remedy? Instead of relying on obscure references, one should talk or read accounts of people who were in Pakistan movement. Talk to those whose forefathers migrated to Pakistan like @Chak Bamu grand father. They will tell you stories what it meant to be having a separate land for muslims, in that era, and that's what Quaid e Azam promised to them, not what Liberals or Western sources tries to prove that Quaid e Azam wanted a secular Pakistan. They were not there, so they would not understand a dime about what muslims wanted at that time
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    those who try to hide behind the wall of Secularism are just people with no knowledge , they believe talibans are only muslims and only taliban and their kinds are capable of implementing sharia , they never read the real sharia, and come start arguing , plus the most common argument secular peoples give that " which version of Sharia " ... i wonder if Quaid-e-Azam ask a simple question that you guys are shouting for a separate land for muslim first tell me will it be a shia ,sunni , whahabi , ahmadi , deobandi aur barelvi land ??
    simple BS created by our so called " Pardhe likhi jahil awam "