Pak Politicians Move Musharraf and the Military, Not Against Terrorists

[RiazHaq]

Haq's Musings: Pakistan Consensus Against Musharraf But Not Against Terrorists

Pakistani politicians, judges and media appear to be unified in their support of trying former President Musharraf for treason under article 6 of Pakistan's constitution. Unfortunately, no such consensus exists to act against the murderous monster of terrorism which has its head in North Waziristan with its tentacles spread across the country. This raises several questions:



1. Do the politicians, judges and media in Pakistan see Musharraf and the military as a bigger threat than the Taliban terrorists and their sectarian allies attacking all institutions of the state and slaughtering innocent Pakistani citizens on a daily basis?

2. Can the monster of terrorism be contained by attempting to sever just a few of its tentacles here and there while leaving its head alone to thrive in North Waziristan and grow more tentacles to continue their campaign of murder and mayhem in all parts of Pakistan?

3. Does Pakistan really have sovereignty over FATA, particularly North Waziristan from where the TTP leadership regularly mocks the state institutions of Pakistan and flouts its laws and constitution?

4. If Pakistan is failing to assert its sovereignty in FATA, is it justified in claiming that the American drones are violating it?

5. Is it more important for the politicians, judges and journalists to settle scores with Musharraf and the military than to improve civil-military relations to unify the nation against the common enemy, the terrorists, attacking all of them?

6. Is the total lack of action by the Pakistani state to protect its citizens an indication of Pakistan fast becoming a failed state?

7. Do the politicians and the judges not realize that they risk looking impotent and ineffective in the eyes of the world by failing to protect the people of Pakistan from internal and external aggression? Are they not becoming the laughing stock of the world?

8. Do Pakistani politicians, judges and journalists want international investors, tourists and cricketers to return to Pakistan?

9. Can Pakistani economy recover without tackling the growing violence perpetrated by well-armed and well-trained terrorists who challenge the legitimacy of Pakistani state from their headquarters in North Waziristan?

10. Have Pakistani politicians advocating peace talk with the Taliban learned anything from ANP's experience of surrendering Swat to the terrorists in 2009? Do they remember how the reign of terror unleashed by the Taliban after the ANP agreed on their demand to establish "Niazm-e-Adl" in Swat? Have they forgotten what the Taliban did to ANP leadership in the last few years?

A wise person learns from others' mistakes, an average person from his or her own mistakes and a fool learns from no one's mistakes. What the Pakistani leaders do now will determine who they are: wise, average or stupid!

Haq's Musings: Pakistan Consensus Against Musharraf But Not Against Terrorists

Please watch the following video dealing with the above questions:

 

[Cyberian]

The military is the biggest terrorist within Pakistan.

They lost East Pakistan.
They hung a democratically elected Prime Minister.
They lost Siachin Glacier.
They toppled a democratically elected Prime Minister.
They lost Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Why the heck do they get the biggest chunk of the budget for year after year?

It's about time an example is made out of the military.

 

[Jungibaaz]

@RiazHaq Excellent points raised.
It's on all our minds.

It seems to me the judiciary and politicians push their own agenda before the welfare of the common man, in in some cases even if it's against the welfare of the common man.

The military is the biggest terrorist within Pakistan.

They lost East Pakistan.
They hung a democratically elected Prime Minister.
They lost Siachin Glacier.
They toppled a democratically elected Prime Minister.
They lost Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Why the heck do they get the biggest chunk of the budget for year after year?

It's about time an example is made out of the military.

Military did make some mistakes, some very real mistakes.

But without them, there would be no Pakistan.
Don't forget what they've done for us.

 

[Cyberian]

@RiazHaq Excellent points raised.
It's on all our minds.

It seems to me the judiciary and politicians push their own agenda before the welfare of the common man, in in some cases even if it's against the welfare of the common man.



Military did make some mistakes, some very real mistakes.

But without them, there would be no Pakistan.
Don't forget what they've done for us.

They haven't done anything for us. What have they done?

They take the single biggest share of our national budget year after year without fail. They tell us that politicians are bad and the common man is just too stupid to think on their enlightened level of thinking.

Why only politicians and the common folks are held responsible for the dollar-a-fauji's experiments such a East Pakistan, Siachin Glacier, Kargil and FATA? It's high time the system is fixed.

 

[darkinsky]

They haven't done anything for us. What have they done?

dont be stupid and an idiot

 

[darkinsky]

the analysus by riazhaq is very strong, the paindus have just started what they have been doing last time around and believe me zardari was thousand times more intelligent then nawaz shareef

nawaz has big masters, saudi arab masters, america

i remember how this paindu bowed before bill clinton when he made the state visit after kargil and how it was like a slave master relationship

musharraf came and people desparately supported the dictator

needs to address these situations like law and order, security other wise the state and federal will become weaker

i can predict they wont last one year if they carry on with this

nawaz and his tola will never be the guy who can run the government because he is way too incompetent and foolish retard to do that

 

[RiazHaq]

Here's a Reuters' story suggesting Sharif taking tough-line against militants under pressure from Pak military:

Sharif's tougher line signals that Pakistan's powerful military still has the upper hand in policy-making, despite hopes that the government would have a larger say after he came to power in the country's first transition between civilian administrations.

"Of course we want to try talks but they are a far off possibility," said a government official, who has knowledge of discussions between civilian and military leaders on how to tackle the Taliban.

"There is so much ground work that needs to be done. And when you are dealing with a group as diverse and internally divided as the Pakistani Taliban, then you can never be sure that every sub-group would honor talks."

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"Today it would be incorrect to say that the army has full control over policy making," said one retired senior army officer. "It is just fashionable to say the army doesn't let civilians work. Question is, do they want to work?"

But for now, when it comes to the Taliban, there is more confusion than clarity.

"On the ground there is no policy as such," said one senior police officer posted in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region on the Afghan border. "Should I fight them or talk to them?"


Despite promises to talk, new Pakistan PM gets tough on insurgents | Reuters

 

[SBD-3]

[MENTION=20751]Military did make some mistakes, some very real mistakes.

But without them, there would be no Pakistan.
Don't forget what they've done for us.

Yes let me reiterate some mistakes
1- Military refused to obey the orders of Quaid-e-Azam about liberation of Kashmir in 1948
2- Military started operation gibraltar, costing Pakistan the war of 1965. Though Pakistan was able to emerge with relative upper hand but the first hand intervention was unnecessary
3- Military politics and action in East Pakistan costed us our right hand in 1971.
4- Gen Zia's foolies in 1980 created Siachin conflict
5- Mushi's adventure in Kargil costed us precious lives of Jawans and global diplomatic isloation.
We blame politicians for being currupt and incompetent but the acts of military junta historically are far more unforgiving than the acts of politicians. Can anyone give me an example where a politician led Pakistan to such disaster? The armies around the world protect the geographical boundaries, not weaken it.And unless our military strategists understand this, we will continue to see worse incidents.

 

[Jango]

Can anyone give me an example where a politician led Pakistan to such disaster?

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

This man has been portrayed as an angel by the media and PPP, but you cannot deny that he had an integral hand in the breakup of Pakistan. Have you seen a civilian martial law administrator anywhere else?

Then threats of breaking the legs of those who went to Bangladesh....and many more.

Is hamam main sub nangay hain.

 

[SBD-3]

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

This man has been portrayed as an angel by the media and PPP, but you cannot deny that he had an integral hand in the breakup of Pakistan. Have you seen a civilian martial law administrator anywhere else?

Then threats of breaking the legs of those who went to Bangladesh....and many more.

Is hamam main sub nangay hain.

I guess you haven't read the Hamud ur Rehman Commision report. Bangladesh's disintegration owed a lot to appointment of General tikka and by the time ZAB jumped into the ship, the titanic had already hit the iceberg.

 

[Jango]

I guess you haven't read the Hamud ur Rehman Commision report. Bangladesh's disintegration owed a lot to appointment of General tikka and by the time ZAB jumped into the ship, the titanic had already hit the iceberg.

No I haven't.

But it's an established fact that ZAB wasn't an angel and he had a big part in the breakup of East Pakistan. You can't deny that he was acting arrogantly and he gave threats, even if they may be only vocal in nature. He didn't accept the result of East Pakistan either in which Mujib Ur Rehman won.

Yahya Khan also did **** ups...no one's denying that.

 

[Patriots]

The military is the biggest terrorist within Pakistan.

They lost East Pakistan.
They hung a democratically elected Prime Minister.
They lost Siachin Glacier.
They toppled a democratically elected Prime Minister.
They lost Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Why the heck do they get the biggest chunk of the budget for year after year?

It's about time an example is made out of the military.

Dude you are mentally unfit ........

 

[Patriots]

nawaz has big masters, saudi arab masters, america

You forgot another master ... It is India .......

4- Gen Zia's foolies in 1980 created Siachin conflict

Spiritual Father

 

[RiazHaq]

Here's the untold story in the British Daily Mail of Pakistan's unsung heroes in the battle to save their countrymen from Taliban savages who are seen by some Pak politicians as "brothers":

Captain Qasim Abbas had finished a six-month stint fighting the Taliban close to the Afghan border and was heading home to get engaged when the militants struck, ambushing his convoy, pitching his vehicle off a 90-foot cliff and leaving him with brain injuries that make speaking and walking a daily battle.
Abbas and the other soldiers recovering at Pakistan's only military rehabilitation hospital are a testament to the human toll from Pakistan's fight against Islamist militants. Their plight receives little attention from Pakistani politicians, possibly because they are afraid of associating themselves with an unpopular fight that many citizens see as driven by the United States.
'Fight, fight, keep fighting,' Abbas said slowly but with purpose when asked if he had a message for his colleagues still battling the Taliban. He raised his fist in the air to drive home his point.

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Nearly 3,000 Pakistani troops have been killed fighting insurgents — more soldiers than NATO forces have lost in Afghanistan. Over 9,000 others have been wounded, many by buried bombs that blew off limbs and caused other life-altering injuries, the Pakistani military says.
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Abbas fought with paramilitary special forces in the Orakzai tribal area during the first half of 2010 and was awarded a commendation by Pakistan's army chief for his role in seizing a strategic hilltop, said the soldier's brother, Maj. Usman Abbas.
The tall and lanky former army basketball player grew out his hair and beard during his deployment so he could blend in among the locals in the mountainous region near the Afghan border, said Abbas' brother. But his luck ran out when he was ambushed on June 21 of last year as he was leaving Orakzai to meet his future wife.
The attack left Abbas in a coma for six months, but he is now driven to recover. He spends three hours every morning in the hospital's gym trying to coax strength back into his arms and legs and overcome partial paralysis on the left side of his body.

The most common injuries the rehab hospital has had to deal with have been from homemade bombs the militants bury throughout the tribal region, said the head of the institute, Maj. Gen. Akthar Waheed. These weapons also pose the greatest threat to U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
Captain Kaleem Nasar was part of an operation elsewhere in the northwest in January of this year when he stepped on a bomb. The explosion blew off one of his legs, and the other had to be amputated below the knee. He visited the rehab hospital recently so doctors could work on his artificial limbs.
Despite his injuries, he does not regret going to war against the Taliban and hopes he can return to active duty.
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Waheed contrasted the lack of political attention in Pakistan with a visit he made to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the U.S. in April. He was there for only five days but saw a stream of officials and reporters come to the facility to meet with U.S. soldiers wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq, he said....
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The hospital hopes to expand its capacity to 150 beds in the next few years from 100 today, said Waheed. He hopes this expansion will be accompanied by greater appreciation of what the soldiers have gone through.
'Any person who has given his limb, say his right hand, what is left with him?' said Waheed. 'His suffering is for all of life.


Pakistani soldiers maimed by Taliban stirs pride in country¿s only rehabilitation clinic | Mail Online

 

[niaz]

I guess you haven't read the Hamud ur Rehman Commision report. Bangladesh's disintegration owed a lot to appointment of General tikka and by the time ZAB jumped into the ship, the titanic had already hit the iceberg.

Honourable Sir,

You were probably not even born in 1971 but I was right in the middle of it. Whether you believe it or not, I was in Pakistan and have heard ZAB saying:

“Udhar tum, idhar hum”. Meaning you there and us here.

ZAB had boycotted the session of the Assembly called by Yahya Khan and said “Assembly ka ijlas attend karney waaley PP logon ki taangein toar doon ga”. Meaning I will break the legs of Peoples Party MNA’s who dare to attend the National Assembly session.

I respect ZAB because he was victim of a judicial murder and also because ZAB was without doubt the most clever political leader of Pakistan after the Quaid, but he was also egocentric, megalomaniac and dictatorial. His tearing up of the Polish resolution which suggested a ceasefire with India to allow for the evacuation of Pakistani soldiers from Dacca was nothing but a drama and the most hypocritical act I have ever seen. East Pakistan was lost any way but ZAB storming out of the Security Council Session resulted in 100, 000 Pakistani soldiers suffer Indian jails for a couple of years.

Please read Hamoodur Rahman report again and all of it. I have read it and it clearly blames politicians as well as the military. That is why ZAB dared not let it become public.