Pak Navy Interest in Chinese Sub & Frigates

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    Great News! :yahoo:
    As for second strike capability, we already have that. It doesn't necessarily comes from subs carrying nuclear warheads. There are several other strategies to achieve second strike capabilities.
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    Range is good, but speed has its advantages as well as disadvantages.

    A 1000KM range Babur would be sufficient enough for our needs.
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    Also, I still fail to see how it was determined that the CJ-10 if reportedly based on the very subsonic tomahawk hits M2.5??
    And it if it an entirely new design... considering that it violates the MCTR, Cant be transferred.
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    i m really sad that we are not inducting German u-214 submarines due to political reason
    Chinese are our friends but it doesn't mean that we always purchase Chinese products
    we must to induct u-214 sub as well as latest chinese sub
    but 1 thing to be remember that Chinese subs are base on Russian subs technology and their record is not so good
    so think realistically not emotionally
    we must to change the policy we seeks Chinese type 52 destroyer insted of type 54a frigate
    we have still option of 6 more USS McInerney (FFG-8) so don't purchase type-54
    we still don't have destroyers so choose destroyer
    but if we have problem of economical crisis for u-214 than use relation of uae and Saudi in this regard for finance
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    Can someone please answer my question
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    Buying old USN ships is not going to make PN Stronger. We should look for new US and British Ships. UK did offer the Type 23. PN has already operated the Type-21 for a decade and Type-23 would have been better. We need to continue to acquire Chinese ships as well to bridge the gap of the PN with other forces in the region especially India.
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    as you can see we are NOT bound by MTCR and nor is china!

    so i dont think it should be a problem.

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    not much is known about this deal.
    so as soon as we get some info on it, we'll let you know!
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    Awsome news... but we shall have to wait and see how offical it gets hopefully all the goodies well be in our hands but again we have to wait rather then getting out panties all wet lets hope for the best rem we have threats from all sides inside out within the country and outside we have been put to the test once again with bigger enemies so we have to not only insure safety is reached at its level best inside the nation and outside but at the same time try bring our economy back so many are jobless and so many other problems with light problems etc so many challenges we face so help us GOD.
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    Actually, this boat gives a tactical first strike capability as well---which is the more important aspect of a surprise first strike at a point of your choice, at a time of your chosing with a shortest possible distance between the point of delivery and the target.

    It truly has turned into " THE WAR OF THE ROSES " ----- if you have seen that Michael Douglas movie, you know what I am talking about----if you haven't----take the time.
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    as far as i know(infs from cdf) ,039b yuan is a very advanced (as good as western subs)and huge(almost twice bigger than u214)AIP submarine.the chinese Subs will be custom design for PN
    even though the Chinese subs were slightly inferior to the German u-subs now . but German u-subs were not prepared to give nuclear missile about second strike capabilities.and also german haven't any experence about a nuclear-powered submarine with N-SLBM or N-SLCM.so i Personally think PN make very sensible


    In addition,it seem like pN'S German u-214 submarines deal still exist
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    great news...pamistan had laughable naval presence but all has changed..specially with.this deal.

    if its supersonic missile it will carry less payload but will compensate with high kinetic energy on impact...in naval scenario few minutes delay due to slower babur missile wont matter as ships are big slow bulky things..but dubsonic missile carries more explosives and less complicated to make...
    dont subsonic cruisecgo supersonic just before impact to avoid ships missile defence systems ?
    That makes subsonic better than duperdonic navay cruise missiles.
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    they are not signing for missile but for the sub with the xcapability of firing missile with the range of 300+ km so it does not mater whether they get the missile or not . in future pakistan might be able to develop missile with the range of 1500+ inshaallah .
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    I think there is nothing sinister about the Destroyers and Submarines because our navy has been traditionally under equipped partly perhaps due to undeclared assumptions that US will control waters and provide security at sea from international incidents - clearly that is not the case as Somali Pirates are plundering sea routs

    We do need a upgrade 20 frigates , 10 destroyers and 12 submarines in order to just at least call our selves a navy basic minimum requirements

    Now if we had 50 frigates and 50 submarines you would say ok sure we are planning something major but a small number of destroyers and frigates
    are just enough to give us a second strike capability and that is enough deterrent for our current needs
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    Haha, i like your optimism bro!