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PAF intends to upgrade all JF-17 with AESA radar including older blocks.

Why would KSA would even consider F-18's ? they got F-15's and Typhoon .. another high cost Jet I don't think our Habibi's gone crazy :D
Personally a JFT with AESA make more sense as its Operational Cost is very low compared to F-15's and Typhoons ..and it will blend right in as PAF will love to assist KSA in every Possible way with JF's .. and if the Yemen war take more years to wined up this will dry up the KSA and other GCC economies .

It was a reply to the following comment:

Kuwait and KSA are one thing as current house of Saud has descended from Kuwait ,Kuwait ,Bahrain and KSA will follow each other in defence purchases

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-an...t-for-the-delivery-of-28-eurofighter-typhoons
https://defence.pk/threads/paf-inte...uding-older-blocks.460048/page-4#post-8897103
 
Block I will be upgraded to Block II right or i'm missing something? there'll be Block II and III with AESA

and are we getting new engine for JF-17???
 
Phased array - 'timed devices' is not a new concept, being used since 1970. The big change is the solid-state antennas which required new generation of fab-tech backbone which became available in mid-90's. Timed delay allows microwave shape to be digitally controlled, within a matter of milliseconds or tens of milliseconds. This Beamsteering agility permits capability of interleaving radar modes eg. terrain follow & surface mapping concurrently etc. Transmit Receive Module or TR Module, has a low noise receiver, power amplifier, and DC phase/delay and gain elements. This arrangement provides fourfold reduction in receiver thermal noise. Finally transmitter power stages are distributed across hundreds or over a thousand TR modules, rather than being concentrated into a single transmitter tube. Confidently, failure of up to 15% of the TR modules in an AESA cause no significant degradation of function. With digital control of TR module gain or loss, power management becomes easy, although still thermal generation due to power efficiency is considerable, causing TR module LOF.
 
Could someone tell me what versions of Giraffe does Pakistan operate?
http://cmano-db.com/pdf/facility/278/
Some websites state this version (also called Giraffe 40) as its integrated with RBS-70.

However 12 units of Giraffe radar were locally manufactured for Pakistan Army. The full TOT was given to Margalla Electronics, Pakistan. so probably up gradation could have occurred on a domestic level.

Range 100km
Height 20+ km
Band -C (integrated with RBS-70)
100 Targets can be tracked.
 
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I am the source. AESA is part of the reverse upgrade program. All Thunders will carry Block-III or better specs once Block-IIIs have been delivered. Installing an AESA radar into a JF-17 shouldn't take more than a few hours, it is a field strip operation. The avionics software can be upgraded too.

Pappy,

You are going to give some people the heart attack with this information overload---.

The simplicity of transition is going to kill them. They forgot that the JF17 was a modular design from the begining---.
 
Why would KSA would even consider F-18's ? they got F-15's and Typhoon .. another high cost Jet I don't think our Habibi's gone crazy :D
Personally a JFT with AESA make more sense as its Operational Cost is very low compared to F-15's and Typhoons ..and it will blend right in as PAF will love to assist KSA in every Possible way with JF's .. and if the Yemen war take more years to wined up this will dry up the KSA and other GCC economies .
The F-18s (or equivalent) are a probability for KSA navy... a 100 or so requirement, but do they want to stick to the US planes?
 
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DISCUSSION: WITH KLJ-7A, COULD AN AESA RADAR-EQUIPPED JF-17 COME SOONER?
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Foreword: This is not a news story, but a piece for discussion. The details offered in this article are not authoritative pieces of information, but rather, perspectives of the author.

The recent unveiling of the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) KLJ-7A active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar at Air Show China 2016 has offered a substantive indication of China’s progress in developing contemporary electronics subsystems. It has also given a tangible look at what the JF-17 Block-III, the first major iterative update of the JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter program, could include, at least in terms of an AESA radar (which is planned for that variant).

AESA radars are increasingly common in modern fighter platforms. An AESA radar system is essentially an amalgamation of many – hundreds and, in some cases, more than 1,000 – transmit/receive or transceiver modules (TRM). One can think of a TRM as a small milk-carton-sized radar that emits its own unique signal. In contrast to preceding pulse-Doppler radars, which would transmit one different signal per pulse, an AESA radar can transmit multiple different signals per pulse. This process makes it difficult for electronic warfare (EW) systems, such as radar warning receivers (RWR) or active jammers, to isolate a specific signal for re-transmission (to confuse the pulsing radar). In effect, an AESA radar has a higher level of electronic counter-countermeasures (ECCM) capability.

This would be a very important addition to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), not just in terms of the JF-17, but its fighter fleet in general – especially units that are envisaged for use against enemy assets, which will be equipped with a wide range of quality EW and electronic countermeasures (ECM) capabilities. For the PAF, the JF-17 has already emerged as an indispensable platform. Not only is it a multi-role system equipped with tactical data-link (TDL) connectivity and compatible with a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), but it is a platform that the PAF can control and configure based on its will.

Moreover, the JF-17 is backed by a domestic support network, which better guarantees a reliable and timely source for spare parts, repairs and depot-level support. In this vein, the availability of an actual AESA radar – i.e. KLJ-7A – is an exciting prospect for the PAF. As per an NRIET technical manager, the KLJ-7A uses more than 1,000 TRMs and is capable of tracking 15 targets aerial targets and simultaneously engage four of them. The KLJ-7A can track a fighter-sized target 170 km away (East Pendulum).

That said, the availability of the KLJ-7A alters what we had expected of the PAF’s modernization plans, especially in regards to the JF-17. Put another way, the KLJ-7A could be an indication that an AESA radar-equipped JF-17 could come sooner than the JF-17 Block-III. One will have noticed that the previous sentence differentiates between a JF-17 equipped with an AESA radar and the JF-17 Block-III. The reason for this is that the KLJ-7A could plausibly make its way to existing JF-17 Block-I and/or Block-II airframes before the JF-17 Block-III rolls off the production line.

Granted, there are several caveats. First, the KLJ-7A may not be as close to availability as believed by this author. Second, an upgraded JF-17 Block-I or Block-II could be the basis of the JF-17 Block-III. These are both plausible scenarios, but if the KLJ-7A is ready for production before the completion of the JF-17 Block-II’s production run, then the PAF could have an opportunity to upgrade the Block-II platform ahead of the JF-17 Block-III. This scenario could enable the PAF to field an AESA radar-equipped JF-17 before 2020.

There is a rationale for this course. The PAF had pursued (and may still be pursuing) an off-the-shelf fighter platform to serve as a stopgap before it could field a sizable JF-17 Block-III fleet, which would likely happen in the mid-2020s. However, there are limitations. First, and in the best-case scenario, the PAF may only have two or so AESA radar-equipped fighter squadrons (inducting a distinct platform is a fiscally and time-consuming process). Second, the cost could simply prevent the PAF from pursuing this route at all. It is not clear where that effort stands at this moment, but in lieu – or even in tandem – of it the PAF could upgrade its qualitative element in relatively short-order through a pre-Block-III upgrade (read: Block-II Plus?).

The prospect of upgrading the JF-17 Block-II will depend on the complexity involved with integrating the KLJ-7A to the current production airframe. Aesthetically, the KLJ-7A does not appear to be significantly different in terms of dimensions or footprint to the KLJ-7 or KLJ-7V2, which are currently used on the JF-17 Block-I and Block-II, respectively. The designation of the AESA radar seems to suggest that NRIET had been aiming for seamless integration, if not a level of commonality between components.

On the other hand, expediting the integration of an AESA radar could be a suboptimal solution. This may sound disingenuous if examined considering an AESA radar’s ECCM benefits, but the PAF could genuinely require the extra time to integrate an AESA radar with the JF-17 Block-III’s onboard EW and ECM suite. If given sufficient financial and time investment, the JF-17 could be configured to utilize its radar for jamming and EW/ECM suites (if based on AESA TRMs) for target detection and identification. Granted, a ‘JF-17 Block-II Plus’ would be suboptimal in comparison to the JF-17 Block-III, which could potentially benefit from subsystem fusion.

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The F-18s (or equivalent) are a probability for KSA navy... a 100 or so requirement, but do they want to stick to the US planes?

I doubt KSA will go for a Dedicated Naval Arm unless they have a Potent Navy to back it up .. they need Subs , Frigates , DDG's and Corvette foremost ..
and US lobby is very strong in KSA defense sector and if they want they can force push their F-18's down to the throats of Saudi's ..
 
Excellent news, our self sufficiency is really paying off.

Block I will be upgraded to Block II right or i'm missing something? there'll be Block II and III with AESA

and are we getting new engine for JF-17???

Block 1 planes are being upgraded to block 2, and I would assume after that's done they will be upgraded to block 3 with AESA radars.
 
Excellent news, our self sufficiency is really paying off.



Block 1 planes are being upgraded to block 2, and I would assume after that's done they will be upgraded to block 3 with AESA radars.

If Block III doesn't have Structural changes/differences i might say
 
Block I will be upgraded to Block II right or i'm missing something? there'll be Block II and III with AESA

and are we getting new engine for JF-17???

Pakistan won't throw existing engines in junkyard unless they are incompatible or their lifetime is over. New models (150+ more expected) will have new engines and AESA radars unless there is some problem
 

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