Operation Moshtarak Thread: Afghan flag hoisted over Marjah

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    No malicious intent on my part, sir, just simple queries. There may be more ANA troops, but its still being spearheaded by NATO/US forces, is it not?

    Also, are you suggesting that, the ANA, ANP and local authorities will be successful in holding ground? I hope they are able to, I really do, but I wouldn't put money on it. Not yet.

    Indeed, the rate of withdrawal is up in the air. His spokesmen also clarified, at protests by their Republican counterparts, that the condition on the ground will be taken into account before any withdrawal plans. Once again, my intent was only to know how long NATO/US forces plan to hold ground there.

    I do not wish the ANA any ill. However, I also don't think the ANA will be significantly more capable a year and a half from now than it is today. And yes, this is opinion, but I imagine it's one held by many in your own country (if CNN is anything to go by, that is).

    No, but I'd like to know you're not simply hoping to flush them out of one area and allow them to come together in another.
    Does Afghanistan end at Helmand? Are the Taliban incapable of sneaking into neighboring territory towards the West? That was the question, you could have simple said "nope, not possible", but you decided to throw accusations instead.

    So, no. There are no efforts being made to ensure they can't reunite with their buddies in the East. Roger that.

    It's been a tough day, eh? I guess that explains your impatience.
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    This operation is launched as if regular fighting units of Taliban/freedom fighter Army will meet with their adversaries in the valley of Helmand and the NATO/ISAF/Puppet ANA will destroy them and conquer Helmand. Afghan Taliban/Insurgents are fighting a guerrilla war, after all this chest trumpeting, and publicity campaign, why would they stay in the region? Who says that the aggressors/occupiers learnt any lesson from Vietnam.
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    US-NATO will be defeated Inshallah.

    Only 2000 Mujahdeen in front of 30000 US-NATO+Afghan forces, with tanks,gunship support.

    US-NATO could not be able to defeat Afghan Mujahdeen in eight years , how they could defeat them now?
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    Hang on a second. I do remember that in a thread you called all the afghans barbarians, unthankful and alot more, now how come you are in defence of Afghans(or i should say the talibs)? Or perhaps the puppet taliban are serving your interests and are not barbarians.
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    Whatever their historically proven traits are, I support every one who fights with foreign aggressors and occupiers.
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    hypocracy and nothing else, if something does not suit you, you call them names and if something suits you, you will call them freedom fighters.. if you dont wish ill to yourself(TTP) dont wish ill to your neighbour(AT).
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    "(or i should say the talibs)? Or perhaps the puppet taliban are serving your interests and are not barbarians."


    His writings are clear in this regard. Less clear is his purported knowledge of Vietnam. That's already been discredited elsewhere.

    A harmless poseur.

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    TTP is fighting with its own people and against its own government, not the occupation forces, hence must be crushed. AT is a vague term and being mischievously used by the occupation forces and the puppet Kabul regime to systematically misinform the people of Afghanistan (though they are failed here) and the outside world. There are countless local insurgent groups (formerly Mujahideen) fighting against the occupation forces in their respective areas and have little in common with the radical Taliban (the same groups have also been fighting with the so called Taliban in the 90s). However, at this point, more important is to get rid of the occupation forces, and once they are out, matters can be resolved among each other. Maybe the matters never get resolved and a bitter fight breaks up like it happened in the late 80s, throughout 90s till another Taliban-like force emerges and bring the lawless Afghanistan into control.
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    Sadly, use of foul language and hypothetical accusations does not change the fact that Afghanistan IS under occupation and insurgents are fighting with the aggressors like they did before against the British and Soviets.

    Regarding 'Vietnam', your beloved is thoroughly nailed down, in the thread exactly like your forces were thoroughly disgraced in Vietnam, but who can change the nature of yours of twisting the documented facts and trying to turn them in your favor.
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    "There are no efforts being made to ensure they can't reunite with their buddies in the East."

    So you missed the part where the shadow district governor was arrested heading through Kandahar for parts "east"? I'm sure that taliban shall be killed or captured where found throughout Afghanistan until they reach and cross the border. Can you assure me of the same UNIFORM prosecution elsewhere?

    The presence of your own citizens like Hafez Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir argue otherwise. So too the presence of certain prominent foreigners confortably residing within Miram Shah. For EIGHT YEARS sir.

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    First of all your account is totally wrong, out of all the mujahideen leaders, only Hekmatyar has opted to side with the the taliban, and the centre of power of the Taliban is only based in a few souther provinces. Secondly why would you care about the people whom curse anyway?
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    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. He knows that in order to fight with a numerically and technologically superior aggressor, unity (ah, its your login name) is needed, and if he has to align with a former enemy for a greater good, he would. If my house is under attack, I'll ask my brother for help, no matter how fiercely he hates me, he is still my blood. Same is true for Afghans, Pashtoons or Tajiks, or Uzbeks, or Hazaras, they are still Afghans, still Muslims whose motherland has been invaded. Differences can be resolved at a later time when the enemy is thrown out.
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    Difference? I am not talking about a DIFFERENCE!! I was talking about barbarians, barbarians never change. Got it?
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    From where this "DIFFERENCE!" popped up? Did you notice I replied in response to your statement:

    "First of all your account is totally wrong, out of all the mujahideen leaders, only Hekmatyar has opted to side with the the taliban, and the centre of power of the Taliban is only based in a few souther provinces. Secondly why would you care about the people whom curse anyway?".

    The "Barbarian" thing is already taken in my reply here:

    "Whatever their historically proven traits are, I support every one who fights with foreign aggressors and occupiers".
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