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India's "Next Generation Fighter Aircraft" (Formerly MCA)

In August 2008, right about the time the Indian Air Force had decided to officially kickstart procedures to get the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA) off the realm of theory, then Chief of Air Staff Fali Major happened to bump into DRDO chief M Natarajan and then HAL chairman Ashok Baweja at an industry suppliers function in Bangalore. The Chief was mildly irritated that both Baweja and Natarajan had provided media sound-bytes and interviews suggesting that the MCA would have "fifth generation technologies". He impressed upon both gentlemen, over tea, that if the MCA went the LCA way, it would be not just unacceptable to the air force, but an act of criminal disregard for the country's security. "Give the air force a bloody first-rate fourth generation aeroplane. That is the job before you," he said.

Two months later, in October 2008, the name of the MCA programme was changed (on recommendation to the Secretary, Defence Production) to "Next Generation Fighter Aircraft", though MCA continues to be used alternatively without any particular distinction.

As per official documentation by the IAF, it wants the MCA to be a twin-pilot configured multirole stealth aircraft capable of "close air support, all weather interception, air defence suppression, long-range strike, electronic attack, limited command & control and reconnaisance" -- that's the profile from an official IAF wishlist to the ADA last year. That might roll right off the air force's tongue, like off a brochure, but they're deadly serious. Putting all speculation to rest when it officially began dialogue about the MCA in 2008, the IAF said it was not willing to look at a strike aircraft with other capabilities. It wants a fully multirole (preferably, swingrole) aircraft for the job.

As we speak, a joint committee of several bodies involved with the NGFA is finetuning the configuration of the final jet, before work begins on building a tech demonstrator, three prototype vehicles and two production series trial jets -- the wind tunnel model unveiled at Yelahanka in February 2009 is largely what the aircraft will look like, though there are three other variants that have not been displayed yet. A twin-engine delta planfrom version, which was a direct derivative from the LCA, has since been shelved -- low observable requirements demanded a fully new airframe approach, which finally ended in the design that people got to see at Aero India 2009. While the wind-tunnel model, fabricated by a Bangalore-based engineering firm, is the product of an ADA/HAL study, there will be dramatic changes yet to the aircraft's intakes (utterly radar friendly, according to the IAF), vertical stabilisers and dorsal section, say sources.

Air Chief Marshal PV Naik, in his first interaction with the ADA last year, seemed to nitpick on indigenous radar capability, more than anything else when it came to the topic of the MCA. Sources say he was deeply incensed when given a brief on the Multi-mode Radar (MMR), pioneered by the Electronics Research & Development Establishment (LRDE) for the LCA Tejas programme. In a chat with the director of the ADA, he said the next aircraft that the agency designed and built, needed to be centred around an Indian active array combat radar. In fact, the LRDE has already proposed a second radar (deriving from the MMR) for the MCA, with technological spin-offs currently being gleaned from its partnership with Israel's Elta. But Naik didn't buy that. He said it didn't matter what the DRDO was learning from who at this stage. When it came down to putting the nails in, he said he wanted a fully Indian radar on the MCA.

While configuration fructifies, the following work has begun on the MCA in full earnest: DARE, Bangalore has appointed a special team to begin identifying avionics and cockpit packages for the first prototype vehicle, and will supply this in published form to the ADA by July 2010. This will include cockpit electronics, cockpit configuration, man-machine interface, mission console systems and computers/software with a focus on data fusion and modular architecture. The LRDE will, in about the same time frame, provide a separate project proposal for an all new radar, to be re-designated for the MCA, as a derivative of the MMR currently being completed with technology from Israel's ELTA. LRDE will independently look in the market for a partner for active array technology, though it communicated to ADA in June 2009 that it had sufficient R&D available to build a reliable AESA prototype with assistance from Bharat Electronics Ltd and two private firms based in Hyderabad.

There is a collossal amount of work going on as far as materials is concerned for the MCA/NGFA. With the IAF unmoving in its demand for an aircraft that has stealth characteristics built into it from the drawing board forward, the DRDO has powered teams within its materials laboratories in Pune and Hyderabad to come up with new composities, low observable materials fabrication techniques, and of course, radar-absorbent control surface aggregates, airframe materials and paints.

The most crucial part of the programme is of course the engine. The Kaveri-Snecma turbofan is being counted upon vigorously to be ready to power prototypes of the MCA by the middle of this decade. There is no Plan-B just yet as far as engines go. However, technologies such as single crystal and nickel-based superalloys in turbofans are still some way off as far as Indian development is concerned -- the IAF wants the use of both to be a given in the engines that power the MCA.

According to the ADA, the government will look to purchase upto 250 MCAs when its done and ready -- not just as a replacement to the MiG-27s and Jaguars, but to complement the MMRCA fleet that will hopefully be half-inducted by then.:yahoo::yahoo:

 
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Thanks for the update Mate.
As the saying goes "All those who make effort Never Fail" ...

At least India is trying to get an Indian Version of all Foreign Products...
Missiles, Subs , Carriers and Now Fighters.

But, DRDO and HAL must be clearly instructed that The Time factor is absolutely vital and Thinks should go quicker atleast compared to LCA programme, otherwise the Product will loose its shine.
 
Thanks for the update Mate.
As the saying goes "All those who make effort Never Fail" ...

At least India is trying to get an Indian Version of all Foreign Products...
Missiles, Subs , Carriers and Now Fighters.

But, DRDO and HAL must be clearly instructed that The Time factor is absolutely vital and Thinks should go quicker atleast compared to LCA programme, otherwise the Product will loose its shine.

Brain works best in emergencies, the Chinese threats and Pakistan getting new toys will act as a catalyst.

Govt. and IAF will keep an close eye and HAL/DRDO will get some dressing down soon for all the mess.

TV Media will play a roll in creating china threat and making HAL/DRDO accountable.

At LCA's time there was sections because of nuke tests etc.

Now world is offering technologies and HAL have learned a thing or two in this period Sukhoi 30MKI etc.

Last but not the least we have gained tremendously during LCA, now we have technology, man power, money and infrastructure ready
 
You know its actually comforting to know that the Air-force is pissed of. and screaming at everyone to get things right.

IAF know from the outset that they want Their own Indigenous jets. and Not just another option as opposed to their usual foreign .

You know they are actively hounding the DRDO and HAL to get things done.
I think the Fact that it is the Military Branch, that is Taking the Leading role in this project is better news then anything else in the article.

The IA can learn a thing or two from the Air force and Navy.

Honestly this is fantastic. Excellent initiative by the air force dont know how else they can show their resolve for Self reliance then this
 
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Brain works best in emergencies, the Chinese threats and Pakistan getting new toys will act as a catalyst.

Govt. and IAF will keep an close eye and HAL/DRDO will get some dressing down soon for all the mess.

TV Media will play a roll in creating china threat and making HAL/DRDO accountable.

At LCA's time there was sections because of nuke tests etc.

Now world is offering technologies and HAL have learned a thing or two in this period Sukhoi 30MKI etc.

Last but not the least we have gained tremendously during LCA, now we have technology, man power, money and infrastructure ready

My point of concern is that what are we looking for? I mean 280 MKIs 250 FGFA 250 LCA 250 MCA 200 MMRCA. What are we targeting dude?

Where is so much money coming from? And the most enthraling one, govt have agreed on all this.

Please advise on the number game.
 
My point of concern is that what are we looking for? I mean 280 MKIs 250 FGFA 250 LCA 250 MCA 200 MMRCA. What are we targeting dude?

Where is so much money coming from? And the most enthraling one, govt have agreed on all this.

Please advise on the number game.

Your forgetting the huge number of Unmanned aircraft we are going to make.

DRDO or HAL was quoted as saying they want to Make a 100 UAV's a year. DESIDOG a request, can you link us something on that.

And i might also remind you These aircraft numbers will take at least another 15 years to fully inducted. whilst the Unmanned units replace many of the IAF's strike aircraft. and most of our aging fleet is retired.

so take look at it this way We can only produce at best 12-20 aircraft of each type a year. And we can only produce few types a year.
So when you factor that in with the cost of each aircraft. And strech out the costs over a few years. and Add in the 8% growth and subsequent increases in budget. it becomes affordable.
 
My point of concern is that what are we looking for? I mean 280 MKIs 250 FGFA 250 LCA 250 MCA 200 MMRCA. What are we targeting dude?

Where is so much money coming from? And the most enthraling one, govt have agreed on all this.

Please advise on the number game.

Just think about General Kapoor said India is getting ready to fight against India and China simultaneously ;) ..That what we are getting ready to with this number..
 
Your forgetting the huge number of Unmanned aircraft we are going to make.

DRDO or HAL was quoted as saying they want to Make a 100 UAV's a year. DESIDOG a request, can you link us something on that.

And i might also remind you These aircraft numbers will take at least another 15 years to fully inducted. whilst the Unmanned units replace many of the IAF's strike aircraft. and most of our aging fleet is retired.

so take look at it this way We can only produce at best 12-20 aircraft of each type a year. And we can only produce few types a year.
So when you factor that in with the cost of each aircraft. And strech out the costs over a few years. and Add in the 8% growth and subsequent increases in budget. it becomes affordable.

If we leave MCA which is not flying yet, FGFA, Sukhoi MMRCA LCA, we would be producing all of them in house. Would you like to educate me on how are we going to maintain 10 aircrafts(least considered) of different varieties? even if we leave FGFA it is still going to be a tough task. As I am considering single seat, 50 PAK FA at the intial stage as per the plan, so 20 30 aircraft an year? Its a big no.
 
Just think about General Kapoor said India is getting ready to fight against India and China simultaneously ;) ..That what we are getting ready to with this number..

Thank you Sir,

I m aware of it. But just not convinced as in how we are going to achieve that pace? Do we have any plans for additional infrastructure? As per my knowledge HAL is the only responsible organisation. But the question still remains, that is infrastructure, reliability and pace.
 
Thank you Sir,

I m aware of it. But just not convinced as in how we are going to achieve that pace? Do we have any plans for additional infrastructure? As per my knowledge HAL is the only responsible organisation. But the question still remains, that is infrastructure, reliability and pace.

We are getting private companies in this soon.
 
no infra development....this will always be a pipe-dream if private firms are not allowed.....
 
Thank you Sir,

I m aware of it. But just not convinced as in how we are going to achieve that pace? Do we have any plans for additional infrastructure? As per my knowledge HAL is the only responsible organisation. But the question still remains, that is infrastructure, reliability and pace.

Mate do you think the policy makers here in India is that stupid?They will have plans for it for sure..Before the production starts of MCA and FGFA, assembly lines of Sukhois will be free considering that production of this will start only at 2017 minimum..and also government is encouraging private firm participation in defense sector as pointed out by Indian rabbit..But main responsibility will be on HAL's shoulders..
 
Mate do you think the policy makers here in India is that stupid?They will have plans for it for sure..Before the production starts of MCA and FGFA, assembly lines of Sukhois will be free considering that production of this will start only at 2017 minimum..and also government is encouraging private firm participation in defense sector as pointed out by Indian rabbit..But main responsibility will be on HAL's shoulders..

No Sir they aren't stupid. Thanks for the answer. I just wanted to get myself cofirmed.
 
India will NOT HAVE 10 combat types. Thats a riduculous statement.

IF MCA starts now in 2010 THE FIRST PRORTOTYPE won,t fly til 2020.

IOC OF MCA will not happen until 2025 earliest

IN 2025 IAF will field only 4 combat types as frontline fighters

FGFA PAK FA 5TH GENERATION MR = 70+
MMRCA 4.5 GEN MEDUIM MR = 126
SU30MKI 4.5 GEN Heavey MR = 230+
LCA TEJAS 4.5 GEN light MR -= 140+

although in 2025 IAF may have 150 in total JAG/MIG29/ MIRAGE2000 they will only equip 2ND LINE SQDS.

and if things go well between 2015-2025 AND INDIAN GDP grows as expected none of the 2nd line may exist at all
 
If we leave MCA which is not flying yet, FGFA, Sukhoi MMRCA LCA, we would be producing all of them in house. Would you like to educate me on how are we going to maintain 10 aircrafts(least considered) of different varieties? even if we leave FGFA it is still going to be a tough task. As I am considering single seat, 50 PAK FA at the intial stage as per the plan, so 20 30 aircraft an year? Its a big no.

Lets just list the Aircraft operating in the IAF for the next 20 years at least.

FGFA
Su-30 MKI
Tejas light combat aircraft
MMRCA
UAV and UCAV
MCA(at the very best 10 years down the line)

Aircraft due to be retired

Jag's
Mig's 21, 23 and 27
Mirage

Aircraft excluded include the Mig-29 which has the entire fleet operate from one air base. will probably be replaced by the MCA.
But no gurantee's.


No we are not operating 10 different aircraft.
We might if you count the Umanned vehicles
 

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