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New Srinagar govt urges talks with Pakistan, Hurriyat

Jawed Naqvi Updated 43 minutes ago
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left and Peoples Democratic Party Mufti Mohammed Sayeed stand for India's national anthem before the later was sworn in as the chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir state in Jammu, India, Sunday, March 1, 2015. — AP
NEW DELHI: Jammu and Kashmir’s new ruling coalition sworn in on Sunday has nudged Prime Minister Narendra Modi to resume talks with Pakistan and Kashmiri stakeholders, including the Hurriyat Conference.

Mr Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Kashmir’s People’s Democratic Party nominated 11 and 12 ministers respectively who took the oath of office under the watch of Chief Minister Mufti Muhammad Sayeed, founder and head of PDP. Mr Modi and his senior party members were present at the ceremony.

Know more: PDP-BJP alliance could be a ‘paradigm shift’ in Kashmir’s history: Mufti

“The (Modi) government has recently initiated several steps to normalise the relationship with Pakistan,” the coalition’s common minimum programme noted apparently referring to the coming visit of Indian Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar to Islamabad on Tuesday.

“The coalition government will seek to support and strengthen the approach and initiatives taken by the government to create a reconciliatory environment and build stakes for all in the peace and development within the sub-continent.”

Mr Sayeed was previously quoted as saying that peace dialogue with Pakistan was a non-negotiable precondition for his agreeing to join a coalition with the BJP, which has got its first chance to sit in the treasury benches.

Also read: BJP coalition form government in Indian-held Kashmir

Ties with Pakistan would be pursued “by taking confidence building measures such as enhancing people to people contact on both sides of the LoC, encouraging civil society exchanges, taking travel, commerce, trade and business across the LoC to the next level and opening new routes across all three regions to enhancing connectivity”.

It took weeks of hard bargaining on both sides to agree on a common minimum programme, which probably explains nuanced and indirect messages. For example, a proposal to hold talks with Hurriyat was couched in verbiage.

“The earlier NDA government led by Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee had initiated a dialogue process with all political groups, including the Hurriyat Conference, in the spirit of “Insaaniyat, Kashmiriyat aur Jamhooriyat”, the BJP-PDP document noted.

“Following the same principles, the coalition government will facilitate and help initiate a sustained and meaningful dialogue with all internal stakeholders, which will include all political groups irrespective of their ideological views and predilections. This dialogue will seek to build a broad-based consensus on resolution of all outstanding issues of J&K.”

The reference to outstanding issues is understood to be in keeping with Mr Sayeed’s preferred solutions. He had previously praised former Pakistan ruler Pervez Musharraf, Indian leaders Manmohan Singh and Atal Behari Vajpayee. They had all raised prospects of resolving the Kashmir dispute and had even come close to an agreement.

Indian military occupation of Kashmir and its excesses have been a major theme with Mr Sayeed’s constituents. It found expression in a roadmap to dilute if not repeal the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) which gives troops immunities from civilian prosecution.

“The situation in the state has improved vastly and to build greater public confidence in its sustainability, people of the state must be able to get the peace and normalcy dividend,” the agreement said.

“In this context, the coalition government will thoroughly review the security situation in the state with a view to examine the need and desirability of all the special laws being applied to the state in view of the situation which is improving.

“While both parties have historically held a different view on the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) and the need for it in the state at present, as part of the agenda for governance of this alliance, the coalition government will examine the need for de-notifying ‘disturbed areas’. This, as a consequence, would enable the Union Government to take a final view on the continuation of AFSPA in these areas.”

And finally the most stubborn sticking point for the coalition seemed to be the BJP’s existential commitment to the repeal of Article 370 of the Indian constitution that gives Kashmir a special status with its own constitution. Here too Mr Sayeed appears to have extracted a concession from his ideological rivals turned allies.

“While recognising the different positions and appreciating the perceptions BJP and PDP have on the constitutional status of J&K considering the political and legislative realities, the present position will be maintained on all the constitutional provisions pertaining to J&K including the special status in the Constitution of India,” the parties agreed.

Both sides agreed to help the return of Kashmiri Pandits back to their homes but it seemed to need patient work. “Protecting and fostering ethnic and religious diversity by ensuring the return of Kashmiri Pandits with dignity based on their rights as state subjects and reintegrating as well as absorbing them in the Kashmiri milieu. Reintegration will be a process that will start within the state as well as the civil society, by taking the community into confidence,” the agreement said.

Published in Dawn, March 2nd, 2015


New Srinagar govt urges talks with Pakistan, Hurriyat - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

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New Srinagar govt urges talks with Pakistan, Hurriyat

Jawed Naqvi Updated 43 minutes ago
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left and Peoples Democratic Party Mufti Mohammed Sayeed stand for India's national anthem before the later was sworn in as the chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir state in Jammu, India, Sunday, March 1, 2015. — AP
NEW DELHI: Jammu and Kashmir’s new ruling coalition sworn in on Sunday has nudged Prime Minister Narendra Modi to resume talks with Pakistan and Kashmiri stakeholders, including the Hurriyat Conference.

Mr Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Kashmir’s People’s Democratic Party nominated 11 and 12 ministers respectively who took the oath of office under the watch of Chief Minister Mufti Muhammad Sayeed, founder and head of PDP. Mr Modi and his senior party members were present at the ceremony.

Know more: PDP-BJP alliance could be a ‘paradigm shift’ in Kashmir’s history: Mufti

“The (Modi) government has recently initiated several steps to normalise the relationship with Pakistan,” the coalition’s common minimum programme noted apparently referring to the coming visit of Indian Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar to Islamabad on Tuesday.

“The coalition government will seek to support and strengthen the approach and initiatives taken by the government to create a reconciliatory environment and build stakes for all in the peace and development within the sub-continent.”

Mr Sayeed was previously quoted as saying that peace dialogue with Pakistan was a non-negotiable precondition for his agreeing to join a coalition with the BJP, which has got its first chance to sit in the treasury benches.

Also read: BJP coalition form government in Indian-held Kashmir

Ties with Pakistan would be pursued “by taking confidence building measures such as enhancing people to people contact on both sides of the LoC, encouraging civil society exchanges, taking travel, commerce, trade and business across the LoC to the next level and opening new routes across all three regions to enhancing connectivity”.

It took weeks of hard bargaining on both sides to agree on a common minimum programme, which probably explains nuanced and indirect messages. For example, a proposal to hold talks with Hurriyat was couched in verbiage.

“The earlier NDA government led by Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee had initiated a dialogue process with all political groups, including the Hurriyat Conference, in the spirit of “Insaaniyat, Kashmiriyat aur Jamhooriyat”, the BJP-PDP document noted.

“Following the same principles, the coalition government will facilitate and help initiate a sustained and meaningful dialogue with all internal stakeholders, which will include all political groups irrespective of their ideological views and predilections. This dialogue will seek to build a broad-based consensus on resolution of all outstanding issues of J&K.”

The reference to outstanding issues is understood to be in keeping with Mr Sayeed’s preferred solutions. He had previously praised former Pakistan ruler Pervez Musharraf, Indian leaders Manmohan Singh and Atal Behari Vajpayee. They had all raised prospects of resolving the Kashmir dispute and had even come close to an agreement.

Indian military occupation of Kashmir and its excesses have been a major theme with Mr Sayeed’s constituents. It found expression in a roadmap to dilute if not repeal the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) which gives troops immunities from civilian prosecution.

“The situation in the state has improved vastly and to build greater public confidence in its sustainability, people of the state must be able to get the peace and normalcy dividend,” the agreement said.

“In this context, the coalition government will thoroughly review the security situation in the state with a view to examine the need and desirability of all the special laws being applied to the state in view of the situation which is improving.

“While both parties have historically held a different view on the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) and the need for it in the state at present, as part of the agenda for governance of this alliance, the coalition government will examine the need for de-notifying ‘disturbed areas’. This, as a consequence, would enable the Union Government to take a final view on the continuation of AFSPA in these areas.”

And finally the most stubborn sticking point for the coalition seemed to be the BJP’s existential commitment to the repeal of Article 370 of the Indian constitution that gives Kashmir a special status with its own constitution. Here too Mr Sayeed appears to have extracted a concession from his ideological rivals turned allies.

“While recognising the different positions and appreciating the perceptions BJP and PDP have on the constitutional status of J&K considering the political and legislative realities, the present position will be maintained on all the constitutional provisions pertaining to J&K including the special status in the Constitution of India,” the parties agreed.

Both sides agreed to help the return of Kashmiri Pandits back to their homes but it seemed to need patient work. “Protecting and fostering ethnic and religious diversity by ensuring the return of Kashmiri Pandits with dignity based on their rights as state subjects and reintegrating as well as absorbing them in the Kashmiri milieu. Reintegration will be a process that will start within the state as well as the civil society, by taking the community into confidence,” the agreement said.

Published in Dawn, March 2nd, 2015


New Srinagar govt urges talks with Pakistan, Hurriyat - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

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They have to talk or war will become inevitable
 
They have to talk or war will become inevitable
War with whom???
Lets be honest here, Pakistan's economy is in shambles and ergo a war will be avoided on all costs from your side.
India is no better!!
We have our issues and we don't want a war to stall our progress, but our growing economy definitely gives us an edge over our neighbor.
As far as AFSPA is concerned then we might reduce the presence of soldiers in Kashmir but increase our reliance on technology to monitor the "disturbed areas".
And Mufti 's assumptions 're based on this
Our voice will be heard as we are democratically elected government.
Somebody remind him that his party has just 28 seats and BJP has 25 seats, to go forward Mufti needs BJP's support or he won't be able to realise his dream of a "6 year" term.

I'm glad that Sajjad Lone ( a rebel previously but now an ardent Modi fan) has become a minister in mufti's government.
I'm sure many will take a leaf out of Sajjad's life.
 
War with whom???
Lets be honest here, Pakistan's economy is in shambles and ergo a war will be avoided on all costs from your side.
India is no better!!
We have our issues and we don't want a war to stall our progress, but our growing economy definitely gives us an edge over our neighbor.
As far as AFSPA is concerned then we might reduce the presence of soldiers in Kashmir but increase our reliance on technology to monitor the "disturbed areas".
And Mufti 's assumptions 're based on this

Somebody remind him that his party has just 28 seats and BJP has 25 seats, to go forward Mufti needs BJP's support or he won't be able to realise his dream of a "6 year" term.

I'm glad that Sajjad Lone ( a rebel previously but now an ardent Modi fan) has become a minister in mufti's government.
I'm sure many will take a leaf out of Sajjad's life.
With our beloved neighbor India
 
It was nice to see these ex terrorists and separatists take an oath of allegiance to the Indian Union and Constitution.

No flying fcuks will be given about what they wish to do wrt Pakistan. State governments dont have a say in foreign policy.
 
No Fuel Oil for furnaces = More water released to run your hydro plants after monsoon = Less water in dams for irrigation in summer = Less farm output = Less vegetation = Less roots to prevent soil erosion = More landslides in the next floods = more silting in your existing dams = less water storage in existing dams = Less hydro and irrigation with each year.

Cycle repeats!

Solution = Divert attention from real issues and blame India.
 
Kashmir being unsolved India building dams on and slowly stopping our water they will lead to war and I am waiting for it.
Do you know the consequences of a war???
Visit Iraq/Afghanistan or Syria once.
Just because you want to see your country waging a war against India (which you think is your enemy) you want to jeopardize lives of innocents living on both the sides of border??
How juvenile!!!
I've yet to understand men and their love for weapons.

Now I'm sure you know that our countries 've signed Indus waters treaty, which gave your country exclusive rights over western rivers and India got rights over the eastern rivers. I see it as a very generous water-sharing pact, both in terms of the sharing ratio as well as the total quantum of waters reserved for the lower riparian state.
Pakistan has been able to raise issues regarding the construction of the Baglihar Dam and Kishanganga hydroelectric project within the framework of the deal bears ample testimony to its inherent strength.
Now Pakistan must appreciate the provisions of this treaty.
India has the permit to a limited use as far as western rivers 're concerned, we can use it for drinking water, existing agriculture use, limited expansion, a limited storage, and generation of hydroelectricity through run-of-the-river projects. There 're stringent conditions and restrictions to ensure that Pakistan stands protected from the possibilities of stoppage of flows or harmful flooding.
But the population explosion and poor water management on Pakistani side is the raison d'etre for water related problems in your country. Your dams and canals 've several issues, an incompetent government and WAR (for a trigger happy you!) would only exacerbate the situation.
 
@levina i believe India and Pakistan don't really want to solve problems,because they always try to create more problems out of existing..
 
typical political bs..

I have many friends from Jammu and srinagar, most of them have already migrated to Delhi or other metros, or the U.S.or other countries, and all unanimously opine the same thing, that article 370 needs to go as it is stifling the economic growth of Kashmir compared to other states, as it is a hindrance to investment, and AFSPA also needs to go as a military presence in Kashmir as deterrent to militancy doesn't mean AFSPA cannot be removed, while the alleged atrocities by the army are definitely hyped and spun out of proportion by vested interests, no one likes to show their identification documents every time they step out of the house..

but the sad reality is that both article 370 and AFSPA are here to stay, because the two power factions, the state level political brass and the army, prefer the status quo, as it suits both of them, and provides opportunities for both to make money at the expense of economic growth of the state.. as politicians and generals provide lip service by indulging in all their posturing, but there is a deep rooted nexus between the army and politicians, and while they both make merry, it is the common man who suffers at the hands of both, like is the story everywhere else..
 

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