Navy's MiG29 superior to IAF's Sukhoi 30

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    Navy's MiGs superior to IAF's Sukhois

    Indian Navy will take delivery of the first of its 16 top-of-the-shelf carrier borne MiG-29K, the most powerful fighter jets in the region, in June.

    "The first of the MiG-29K fighters will be handed over to the Navy in Moscow [ Images ] in June," said top officials of the RAC-MiG corporation, asserting that the fighter in its capability will surpass the Indian Air Force's SU-30MKI.

    Not only this, RAC-MiG is offering IAF the same 4 plus generation capability for upgrading the existing 64 MiG-29s. The deal estimated to be worth more than $400 million is on top of the agenda during President Vladimir Putin's [ Images ] visit to India [ Images ].

    In the upgradation, the MiG is offering to extend the beyond visual range engagement of the fighter, complete change of its onboard computers and avionics and giving the jet, in addition to its air-to-air capability, highly sophisticated system to engage ground targets.

    "The upgradation will be of much higher level than the new MiG-29SMT fighters delivered to some Arab countries," said Givi I Dzhandzhgava, director general of the Ramenskoye design Bureau, who would bear the major part of upgradation if it is awarded to Russia [ Images ].

    Facing increasing competition from the US, European and Israeli companies, the design bureau has set up an ultra modern 'Technocomplex' at Ramenskoya, 40 km from Moscow, combining the capabilities of 20 of Russia's leading aviation companies.

    Technocomplex and its nearby Zhukovskiy test centre were top class secret weapons design establishments during the erstwhile Communist regime and were always in the eye of the American and NATO satellites. Throwing open the doors of these centres to visiting Indian journalists, top officials asserted that the proposed upgradation of the MiG-29 fighters will extend their life for more than 6,000 flying hours or almost 40 years.

    "A complete overhaul of the fighter has been proposed," Dzhandzhgava said, adding, "We will give the new aircraft some of the most modern features in the shape of 4 plus generation capabilities. Great improvements in the shape of higher conversion rate of data links, mapping information, higher display resolutions are proposed, which will make the new MiG-29's far ahead in capability than SU-30MKI," he said.

    "The proposed upgrade can be undertaken in shortest time of just two years," Dzhandzhgava told PTI adding that the overhaul of the fighter will enable it to undertake increased number of combat tasks.

    "We are ready to offer the top-of-the-shelf technology, including some new systems like stealth features for the Mig-35 [ Images ] fighters, which would be bidding for IAF's 126 Medium Range Combat Aircraft tenders," Dzhandzhgava said.

    On the Naval MiG-29Ks, MiG officials said that the first fighter will be handed over to Indian Navy in June and will be used for training its pilots and air crew personnel.

    "The fighters would reach Indian soil by end of the year, almost a year ahead of the delivery of the Aircraft Carrier Admiral Gorshkov renamed INS Vikramaditya," they said.

    "Unlike other nations, we are ready to share our frontier technology with the Indians," Dzhandzhgava said, adding that RAC-MiG were also ready to offload major work to Indian private and public sector industry for the MiG-29 upgradation as well as manufacture of Mig35 aircraft.


    Is this true?
     
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    Unbeatable

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    Not that MKI is the most advanced 4+ generation aircraft, but such statements from RAC-Mig officials about theirs being better than Sukhoi's product seem very tribal and are essentially a marketing ploy.
     
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    Su30MKI capabilities are actually hyped up by many folds. Every potent forth generation jet can easily counter it.
    And now RAC-Mig is following same line i.e., Hyping it...
     
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    data links, mapping information, higher display resolutions among other things are superior so maybe mig29k>su30mki

    can some one come up with the exact specifications?
     
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    DID acknowledges it(su30mki) as the 2nd best air superiority fighter in the world.

    Dont underestimate your enemy - ancient saying
     
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    I didnt know we had a profeessional air analysist amongst us. Guess the IAF has got it all wrong then, we should have taken your advice instead or better still to have gone in for the F-7 Thunder!! That would have really help you form an good opinion about the MKI.

    Kid, dont go by the logic that what ever the IAF has is not good, sounds like the PA slogan of the past "1 Pak Muslim = 10 Hindus", they found out the hard way didnt they? For once think and type just dont type away high on jealousy. Its comedical to read your posts. The grapes are sour aint they!!??
     
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    The question is in what terms the Mig 29K should be superior? Some avionics as it was stated in the article, might be, but only till the upgraded arrives, which also have improvements in the same fields. RCS? For sure, it's expected to be down to 1-2 m2, a figure that the MKI can't achieve even with more coatings. But does it makes the Mig 29K overall superior? A big NO, because the MKI still has clear advantages in radar range (even more with the expected AESA), payload, weapons (especially in A2G) and even in manouverability it should be not that bad compared to the Mig, canards, TVC and a good T/W ratio will give MKI a good performance in this field too.
     
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    don't be oversmart buddy! and be civil to show that you are not kid. Don't flame!!! If you have any civil answer to my post then come up with it and be mature in your post.

    Your kind to mentality is not new to us.. We face hundreds of indian on this forum daily.
     
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    Nobody is underestimating anything. Simply pointing out that there is a lot of hype around things as well. This RAC-Mig statement is no different.
     
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    this was my reply to ur previous statement

     
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    All of the described things may point to better sensor fusion but overall capabilities??
     
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    and how many such capabilites are you aware of ?

    I bet you have no idea about your own F-16 so forget about MKI's.
     
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    DIFFERENCES IAF MIG 29 AND INAF MIG 29

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    me oversmart!! certainly not, atleast with you around. after reading your posts i have lost all such grandoise illusions about my intellectual abilities.

    indeed i had a answer to your post, guess the message didnt get across. my mistake, let me put it in plain words for you since anything more complicated dosent agree with your grey cells. Ok here it comes, concentrate now, " the IAF happens to be a professional organisation, so if they go for some equipment usually a lot of thought goes into it. so respect their abilities". Did you get it now??

    You face hundreds of Indians on this forum daily? My God, didnt know there was a war going on here. Well atleast i came in the spirit of knowledge and discussion. Guess thats were our approaches differ.
     
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