J 10 vs SU 27 vs Su 30

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  1. Darth Vader

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    J10
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    General characteristics
    Crew: 1[12]
    Length: 15.49 m (50.82 ft)
    Wingspan: 9.75 m (31.99 ft)
    Height: 5.43 m (17.81 ft)
    Wing area: 33.1 m² (356.3 ft²)
    Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb)
    Loaded weight: 13,000 kg (28,600 lb)
    Useful load: 6,000 kg[36] (13,200lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 19,277 kg [12][36] (42,500 lb)
    Powerplant: 1 × Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or WS-10A Taihang turbofan
    Dry thrust: 79.43 kN / 89.17 kN (17,860 lbf / 20,050 lbf)
    Thrust with afterburner: 122.5 kN[12] / 132 kN (27,557 lbf / 29,101 lbf)
    Performance
    Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[25][37] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
    g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7])
    Combat radius: 1600 km (with air to air refueling), 550 km (without air to air refueling)[22][36] ()
    Ferry range: 1850 km[36] ()
    Service ceiling: 18000 m[36] (59,055 ft)
    Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/ft²)
    Thrust/weight: 0.96 (with AL-31); 1.017 (with WS-10A)

    Armament
    Guns: 1× 23mm twin-barrel cannon
    Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 5× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 6,000 kg (13,228 lb) external fuel and ordnance[28]
    Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods
    Missiles:
    Air-to-air missiles: PL-8, PL-9, PL-11, PL-12
    Air-to-surface missiles: PJ-9, YJ-9K
    Bombs: laser-guided bombs (LT-2), glide bombs (LS-6) and unguided bombs
    Others:
    Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time
    Avionics
    Unnamed phased array radar
    NRIET KLJ-10 multi-mode fire-control radar
    Helmet mounted sight with cueing
    Externally mounted avionics pods:
    Type Hongguang-I infra-red search and track pod
    BM/KG300G self-protection jamming pod
    KZ900 electronic reconnaissance pod
    Blue Sky navigation/attack pod
    FILAT (Forward-looking Infra-red Laser Attack Targeting) pod

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    Su 27
    Data from Gordon and Davison,[45] KNAAPO Su-27SK page,[46] Sukhoi Su-27SK page,[47]
    General characteristics
    Crew: 1
    Length: 21.9 m (72 ft)
    Wingspan: 14.7 m (48 ft 3 in)
    Height: 5.92 m (19 ft 6 in)
    Wing area: 62 m² (667 ft²)
    Empty weight: 16,380 kg (36,100 lb)
    Loaded weight: 23,430 kg (51,650 lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 30,450 kg (67,100 lb)
    Powerplant: 2 × Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F turbofans
    Dry thrust: 7,670 kgf (75.22 kN, 16,910 lbf) each
    Thrust with afterburner: 12,500 kgf (122.6 kN, 27,560 lbf) each
    Leading edge sweep: 42°
    Performance
    Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,500 km/h, 1,550 mph) at altitude
    Range: 3,530 km (2,070 mi) at altitude; (1,340 km / 800 mi at sea level)
    Service ceiling: 18,500 m (62,523 ft)
    Rate of climb: 300 m/s[48] (54,000 ft/min)
    Wing loading: 371 kg/m² (76 lb/ft²)
    Thrust/weight: 1.07
    Armament
    1 × 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon with 150 rounds
    8,000 kg (17,600 lb) on 10 external pylons
    Up to 6 × medium-range AA missiles R-27, 2 × short-range heat-seeking AA missiles R-73
    [edit]Su-27S armament
    30 mm GSH-30 Cannon, 150 rounds
    6 × Medium-Range R-27R, R-27ER, R-27T, R-27ET
    4 × Short-Range R-73E
    FAB-250
    FAB-500
    RBK-250
    RBK-500
    S-8
    S-13
    S-24
    S-25
    [edit]Su-27SM armament
    6 x Vympel R-77 advanced medium-range missile
    4 x KAB-500KR and KAB-500L Guided Bombs
    4 x Kh-29
    4 x Kh-31
    10 x Kh-35

    Su 30

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    Data from KNAAPO,[66] and Sukhoi[67]
    General characteristics
    Crew: 2
    Length: 21.935 m (72.97 ft)
    Wingspan: 14.7 m (48.2 ft)
    Height: 6.36 m (20.85 ft)
    Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
    Empty weight: 18,400 kg[68] (40,565 lb)
    Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
    Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 123 kN with afterburner (27,500 lbf) each
    Performance
    Maximum speed: Mach 1.9[67] (2,500 km/h, 1,553 mph[69]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level
    Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi) at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
    Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refueling)
    Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
    Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
    Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
    Thrust/weight: 1.0
    Armament
    Guns: 1 × GSh-30-1 gun (30 mm caliber, 150 rounds)
    12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.
    Air-to-air Missiles:
    10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
    10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 120 km
    6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
    6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
    2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM,80 km
    2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
    6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
    3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
    Air-to-surface Missiles:
    3 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
    3 × Kh-59MK active radar homing anti-ship missile, 285 km
    4 × Kh-35 anti-ship missile, 130 km
    1 × PJ-10 Brahmos supersonic cruise missile,300 km
    1 × Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile,1000 km
    6 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
    6 × Kh-29T/L laser-guided missile, 30 km
    4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
    4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)
    Bombs:
    8 × KAB-500L laser guided bombs
    3 × KAB-1500L laser guided bombs
    8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
    28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
    32 × OFAB-100-120 dumb bombs
    8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs
     
  2. DrSomnath999

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    another versus thread ,thank god the OP has not included rafale in it :whistle:
    quiet a relief:coffee:
     
  3. Darth Vader

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    some guys were saying fighting abt wht climb rate j10 and have su 27 so i said why dont make a comprsn :D is that bad
     
  4. NeutralCitizen

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    One thing they have in common is pakistan doesn't have any of them.
     
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    not another thread :rolleyes:
     
  6. Darth Vader

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    chill mate
    i posted it in a lighter note :lol:
    u have the right to post any thread plz go ahead
     
  8. ao333

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    None of these please.
     
  9. acetophenol

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    J 10 is superior right?
     
  10. Pak47

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    Yeah, 1 plane will eat 15 mki's.. Or wait.. was that an indian troll? :eek:
     
  11. Bilal587

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    and USA also :lol:
     
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    Isn't SU 30 an upgrade of SU 27, and thus a comparison between J 10 and SU 30 only will be better?
     
  13. NeutralCitizen

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    The US does not need the J10 Su27 Su30.
     
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    it was discussed before i think..another d**k measuring contest is about to start..
     
  15. Darth Vader

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    the differnce is su 30 twin seated thats it else su 27 is better then su 30 in almst every thing