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Imam Awza'i in his letter to the Abbasid governor Salih b. 'Ali b. Abdullah about the People of the Covenant,

"They are not slaves, so beware of changing their status after they have lived in freedom. They are free People of the Covenant." (Abu Ubayd, al-Amwaal, p. 170, 171 & Dr. Abd al-Karim Zaydan, Ahkam al-Dhimmiyin wal-Musta'minin, p. 77)
 
World can not run on Bookish system... Communism or Islamic Banking are pleasant to ear but not practical... why not a Muslim country use this system and come up with an example???

Russia show us communism system, Brits show us Capitalism.... It would be better if Pakistan, Afghanistan or bangladesh or somalia, or KSA or any Muslim country lead us by example....

World is adaptive, if they will see that the Islamic Economic system is better they will definitely make a shift...

Till that time stop glorifying it... :pakistan:
 
Islamic finance is gaining a strong ground, not only in the Arab world, but globally as it fully caters to a cross-section of both Muslims and non-Muslims, says an executive in the Islamic Insurance Company.

It's a known fact that Islamic finance sector is also becoming a global alternative to conventional banking, says the Vice Chairman and CEO of Salama Islamic Arab Insurance Company, Dr Saleh J Malaikah.

Islamic finance today is big business with both local and international banks keen to get in on the act. An increasing number of non-Muslims are adopting Islamic compliant products as awareness of the principles behind Shari'ah finance has grown. In 2008, at least $500 billion in assets around the world were managed in accordance with Shari'ah and the sector is growing at more than 10% per year.


Asif Mumtaz, regional head of HSBC Amanah, HSBC's Islamic banking arm, says: "Within this region the Islamic finance industry is evolving from a niche segment to a mainstream one. "It is our informed opinion that within the next eight to 10 years, the industry will capture half of the savings of l.6 billion Muslims worldwide."

To gain a foothold in the market many conventional banks, including HSBC have launched Islamic versions of their traditional products - including Islamic loans and credit cards. In recent weeks Standard Chartered announced the launch of its global Islamic banking brand in the Middle East, Saadiq and its first Islamic credit card, the Saadiq Gold Credit Card. It followed hot on the heels of First Gulf Bank's first Islamic credit card the Meccah Credit Card, which rewards customers with the opportunity to earn steps to travel to the Holy City of Mecca.
 
World can not run on Bookish system... Communism or Islamic Banking are pleasant to ear but not practical... why not a Muslim country use this system and come up with an example???

Russia show us communism system, Brits show us Capitalism.... It would be better if Pakistan, Afghanistan or bangladesh or somalia, or KSA or any Muslim country lead us by example....

World is adaptive, if they will see that the Islamic Economic system is better they will definitely make a shift...

Till that time stop glorifying it... :pakistan:

you dont even know you people are running on ancient yahudi system of ribbah...., the world is running on few yahudis banking system

islamic banking system just removes that ribbah, and its not a bookish system, take economics lessons before saying blah blah blah
 
Why should I be penalized because I don't believe in the Prophet? Is this any different from raw exploitation?

"You are a Muslim. We will provide you security, welfare, you will live in peace and stability."

"But how will you pay for it?"

"We will tax the Jew, the Christian, and the Hindu."


Where is the motivation to take risks in this system? If I cannot save, I cannot become wealthy.

The Pie Analogy...

There is a common misconception about a basic capitalist system, and that is, that an economy is a giant pie, and everyone gets a slice. If my neighbor gets a bigger slice of pie, that implies that someone else suffers with a smaller slice. "NO FAIR! He has MORE than me! Give me some of HIS pie, so we are equal!"

The reality is that venture capitalists, investors, and entrepreneurs do something like this: "Cool! I have a slice of pie. Instead of eating it, I am going to turn it into a BIGGER slice!" So they set up factories, create goods, provide jobs, and their slice grows. So do the slices that all of their workers get. Everyone benefits.

Under capitalism, the overall size of the pie grows larger. Everyone's circumstances are elevated. But a good system needs checks and guards in place to prevent abuses.

Communism on paper is a beautiful thing. Communism in reality absolutely does not work. If I know the State will provide for my every need, why work my rear end off? Why take risks? Why start a company like Microsoft knowing that pretty much everything I make beyond a comfortable living will be taken from me by force?

Its interesting that you refuse to see how it actually works in Capitalism... :)

Jizya is not an absolute tax... the non Muslims who are unable to pay are given funds by the State actually... This tax is lesser than what Muslims have to pay in reality... whereas in Capitalism, everyone is taxed left right and centre...

Saving is the reason why the world has become a literal hell for people... Interest based economy encourages saving... this hinders business and enterprise as well as trade... the solution is for people to become wealthy by spending money in businesses, partnerships etc... this is what Islam encourages...

Capitalism is a perfect system to make the rich richer and the poor poorer... Its manifestation shall soon hit America and the rest of the world and this system will eventually collapse... my prediction is ten years and specially after the Caliphate arises, Capitalism as we know today will no longer be able to survive...

Lastly... You are allowed to save in Islam... this is why there is such a thing as Zakat...
 
Islamic banking: The basics

The main difference according to the industry between a banks' conventional and Islamic products is the absence of interest. Under Shari'ah law interest, whether nominal or excessive, simple or compound, fixed or variable is forbidden. Shari'ah based products also favour asset-based transactions.

Explaining the principles behind it Dr Taha El Tayeb, head of products development and Sharia structuring at Mashreqbank's Islamic banking division Badr Al-Islami says: "Islamic finance and Sharia law would always recommend people to go for asset-based transactions. If you need to buy a car for instance, instead of borrowing money from a bank - that bank should take the risk, buy the car and sell it to you at a profit rate." he also adds: "The intent of Islamic banking is very much that you are in a socially responsible banking community. Islamic banking moves away from pure speculation and more into activities that will help to grow the industry and the infrastructure-based economy. Every transaction is tied to an asset, which is a real world economy asset."

There are three main Islamic financial instruments which are used to structure Islamic loans.

Ijara works as a leasing agreement whereby the bank buys an item - such as a house or a car - for a customer then leases it back to them until they have paid off the full amount and take over ownership of the item. "When a customer is planning to buy something we at Amlak buy that property then we give it to the customer on a lease period of 15 to 20 years then the ownership passes to the client. There is no interest charged but there is profit based on the fact that when you own a property you have the right to rent it out for however much you want." Says Khalid Zainal, Director of Sales and Marketing of Amlak Finance

Murabaha works by the bank supplying specific goods for resale to the customer at a profit rate.

The customer pays the bank back in monthly instalments - the rate of which are fixed. Commodity Murabaha is designed for customers who want a fixed rate cash loan and involves the purchase and sale of commodities on the London Metal Exchange.

The third Islamic banking instrument, Musharaka, which is a joint venture whereby the customer and bank contribute to the funding of a venture and agree to share the returns - as well as the risks - in proportions agreed in advance.

Islamic credit cards look set for major growth with increasing demand from customers prompting banks such as Standard Chartered and First Gulf Bank to launch their own Sharia compliant products. However Islamic credit cards are still to hit the western high street. Islamic credit cards work in much the same way as conventional cards but in place of interest banks will charge customers annual or quarterly fees. Standard Chartered's latest offering, the Saadiq Visa Gold Credit Card, for example operates on the Urjah concept, which is based on a fixed fee structure.

Customers are given a grace period to pay the monthly outstanding balance on the card to avoid paying a fee, and a fixed monthly maintenance fee is charged for usage of the card's service account.

Islamic Economics

The global financial crisis has highlighted some fundamental problems with free market economies. The market as the ideal method to distribute wealth has been discredited, economic growth in free market economies has proven to be unsustainable and the financial markets, for long the showpiece of free market success has proven to be no different to a casino.

In order to stimulate many of the broken economies of the West and overcome many of the structural flaws that cause economic crisis, many free market governments have turned to Islamic finance due to the phenomenal growth it has shown in the last decade. However this deflects attention from the real problems the West faces.

Whilst there is much the West can learn from the Islamic economy - such as the stability Islam brings by being based upon the real economy, the rapid distribution of wealth through a non-interest based economy and the stability Islam's provided by Islam's trade rules and the removal of gambling and speculation. Such economic concepts are in reality a few aspects of the Islamic economy, which itself are built upon a fundamental alternative view towards wealth, production, the macroeconomy and property. The mere adoption of some aspects of Islam will not solve the economic problems of the West and even the Muslim world.

Free market economies need a complete overhaul as no amount of regulation will ever curb the motive to make money at any cost. For this reason boom and bust has been a feature of free market economies for over 200 years and will continue to do so.

Conclusions

The Islamic economic system is an integrated system with different aspects of Islamic economics all feeding into each other. The rules of Riba are built upon Islam's view of wealth, the Islamic rules of trade are built upon Islam's view towards ownership, Islamic taxation is built upon Islam's views towards wealth distribution and Islamic finance is built upon Islam's view towards investment and currency. Taking a part of Islam without its framework will only create contradictions in an economy. Attempts by the West to plug its problems through aspects of Islam are attempts at giving the free market a leg up.

The Ummah should not feel happy when a few elements of Islamic economics are made available. This is an implicit acceptance that Islam can not stand on its own feet. There is a much bigger issue and that is why are the Gulf states and the Far East who are the leaders in Islamic finance not comprehensively implement Islam and make it available in the Muslim world. Such an approach would completely revitalise the economies of the Muslim world and project a positive image of an economic alternative. Islam is a complete system, all of it should be applied.

Be careful when you approach these "Islamic banking" concepts... a lot of them have holes in them enough to drive a double decker thru them...
 
World can not run on Bookish system... Communism or Islamic Banking are pleasant to ear but not practical... why not a Muslim country use this system and come up with an example???

Russia show us communism system, Brits show us Capitalism.... It would be better if Pakistan, Afghanistan or bangladesh or somalia, or KSA or any Muslim country lead us by example....

World is adaptive, if they will see that the Islamic Economic system is better they will definitely make a shift...

Till that time stop glorifying it... :pakistan:

Islam is obviously not Hindu Mythology and so it is practical... but I dont disagree with the rest of what you are saying... this is why unless this system comes into practice in the form of a Caliphate, it will not make sense to many...
 
If this was a working system and a successful one, it would have survived 14 centuries and remained live in some shape or form. Economic darwinism probably killed it off, even if it did exist at some time.

Reality is cruel.

It did survive in its various implications till 1924...

It ceased to function when Muslims misunderstood it and tried to imitate the west... The demise of the Caliphate in my view was specially from the time of the noble Caliph Abdul Majid who adopted interest based transaction during Tanzeemat... even though it was a mistake that he made without realizing it... the result of it was that Turkey started to weaken...
 
Islam is obviously not Hindu Mythology and so it is practical... but I dont disagree with the rest of what you are saying... this is why unless this system comes into practice in the form of a Caliphate, it will not make sense to many...

I have not come across any hindu economic system, practical or mythological or whatever. Nor have I come across christian/jewish/buddist system.
Only muslims have islamic economic system, islamic political system, islamic science, islamic architecture etc.
Most such systems are not systems but a few verse , a few references(mr X talking to Y) here and there, upon which intelligent people have build full theme.
No argument given where that system came from and what advantages it has. Muslims are required to believe, others have to wait and see.
We will wait and see.
 
I have not come across any hindu economic system, practical or mythological or whatever. Nor have I come across christian/jewish/buddist system.
Only muslims have islamic economic system, islamic political system, islamic science, islamic architecture etc.
Most such systems are not systems but a few verse , a few references(mr X talking to Y) here and there, upon which intelligent people have build full theme.
No argument given where that system came from and what advantages it has. Muslims are required to believe, others have to wait and see.
We will wait and see.

in other words... the meaning of being humble is lost upon you... :no:

Its not our problem that you refuse to see the points that people have been giving here regarding where it comes from and what advantages it has...

Have you read the comments on this thread??

If you have and still not understand then...

You are trying to understand something that is beyond your capabilities... the best you can do is learn bits and pieces...
 
It did survive in its various implications till 1924...

It ceased to function when Muslims misunderstood it and tried to imitate the west...

Exactly my point. Economic darwinism kills off the weak, the useless, the unfit-to-survive. That's market reality for you.
 
Exactly my point. Economic darwinism kills off the weak, the useless, the unfit-to-survive. That's market reality for you.

Yes, the western economic model is designed to exploit the weak... Muslims were obviously weaker in the economic designs taken from the west... despite the best efforts of Abdul Hameed the son of Abdul Majid, they could not reverse the decline...

Muslims would have stayed strong had they stuck to their guns and not try to imitate the west in its economics...

If however you mean that Islam is an inferior system then that is not correct... Islam is superior and it dominates all other ideas...

Nothing dominates above Islam... You see Muslims getting a beating because of their non application of Islam... its as simple as that... This is why all forces of evil fear the application of Islam...
 
Its interesting that you refuse to see how it actually works in Capitalism...

Jizya is not an absolute tax... the non Muslims who are unable to pay are given funds by the State actually... This tax is lesser than what Muslims have to pay in reality... whereas in Capitalism, everyone is taxed left right and centre...

Most people who dislike the Capitalist system do one of two things... they look at the pure capitalist model, which is very Darwinian and harsh, or they like to show images from Victorian England, showing child laborers in textile mills, which is a relatively pure capitalism in practice - a system with no checks or balances, no laws, no safety, no unions. I would agree that pure capitalism is not desirable.

But what most nations operate under today is a capitalism with oversight. We have forms of welfare as needed, safety laws, anti-trust laws, child labor laws. As it has evolved, it has become the only reasonable model, IMO.

People have been predicting the economic demise of the U.S. for a hundred years now. The usual answer (as crafted by the USSR) is that "all of the gains are on the backs of peasants around the world. Exploitation." This is simply false.

What is happening now is that "The rich are getting richer, and the poor are also getting richer." The official U.S. poverty line (2009) for a family of 4 is U.S. $22,000. Under that, you are technically poor. Most of our poor have cars, internet, plasma TV's, and cable. Capitalism did this.

China's impressive growth over the last 30 years is primarily due to the adoption of a market-based system and the capitalist notion of property, overseen by the CPC.

One need simply look around the world at living standards, and almost invariably those with higher standards have market economies, competition, overseen by wise leaders who let the markets themselves drive the dynamics. Heavy-handed attempts to massage an economy almost always backfire terribly.
 
Most people who dislike the Capitalist system do one of two things... they look at the pure capitalist model, which is very Darwinian and harsh, or they like to show images from Victorian England, showing child laborers in textile mills, which is a relatively pure capitalism in practice - a system with no checks or balances, no laws, no safety, no unions. I would agree that pure capitalism is not desirable.

But what most nations operate under today is a capitalism with oversight. We have forms of welfare as needed, safety laws, anti-trust laws, child labor laws. As it has evolved, it has become the only reasonable model, IMO.

People have been predicting the economic demise of the U.S. for a hundred years now. The usual answer (as crafted by the USSR) is that "all of the gains are on the backs of peasants around the world. Exploitation." This is simply false.

What is happening now is that "The rich are getting richer, and the poor are also getting richer." The official U.S. poverty line (2009) for a family of 4 is U.S. $22,000. Under that, you are technically poor. Most of our poor have cars, internet, plasma TV's, and cable. Capitalism did this.

China's impressive growth over the last 30 years is primarily due to the adoption of a market-based system and the capitalist notion of property, overseen by the CPC.

One need simply look around the world at living standards, and almost invariably those with higher standards have market economies, competition, overseen by wise leaders who let the markets themselves drive the dynamics. Heavy-handed attempts to massage an economy almost always backfire terribly.

Chogy... do you know why Capitalism changed???

It was to stop the spread of Communism...

In pure Capitalism there is absolutely no concept of welfare... even the State is looked at with the view of making profits and not as a guardian of the people...

You quoted something interesting there... family of 4.... 22000 dollars??

Where did the 30 million unemployed in America go? Are they making the same amount?

The things that you keep confusing is that Islam is not communism... it has a stronger emphasis on entrepreneurship and trade... innovation and investment... so dont think that this is unique to Capitalism... infact in Capitalism it is the Capitalists who invest... the poor man can only dream of making it big...

unless of course there is a short cut... selling your soul to the devil... or buy a lottery ticket... :)
 

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