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India to Take on Pakistani Snipers With NV Sights on LMGs

Why not post rest of the pictures which show the TV aerial on the roof, yea Pakistani soldiers probably watched Star TV while manning a front line post....refer to the above post to enlighten yourself.


There are images, videos of Bofors AA guns, Carl Gostov launchers, etc. firing on post. What difference does it make? What both countries are doing are retarded, including what India is doing. You can post stupid images, so can Indians. Both look foolish.
 
lol ... facts on grounds speak truth then madarsa fancy story.
The thing is that, what you people call "FACTS" are nothing more than wet dreams of some glorified wanna be. That´s why we call it bullshit.
 
Snipers can be easily spotted with Thermal imagers and Battle field surveillance radars.... then launch Rpgs and mortars on their locations... I'm sure Israeli's will give such ideas to Indian army... India has almost all the western arms industry behind it's back... Pakistan will soon regret it's decision to use snipers... It will soon face a army of Indian snipers on its border...
 
Snipers can be easily spotted with Thermal imagers.

Don't be so sure of that. There are a number of techniques and technologies designed to hide a shooter from thermal sights, with great effect:

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For instance the humble Ghillie suit. Do you know where the shooter is in this picture?
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Is it that bright spot on the hill? Not at all. In fact the shooter is right in front of you.
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The bright spot in the hill is actually a mouse :D.

Same suit, different spot.
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So where is he? Oh, there he is!!
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It's just not that easy. There are means and methods to avoid detection by radar, thermal imaging, visual optics and so on.

Thermal imaging helps, especially at night, but it's by no means a catch-all. For every trick there's a counteraction to foil it and snipers are some of the most innovative people on the modern battlefield.
 
Don't be so sure of that. There are a number of techniques and technologies designed to hide a shooter from thermal sights, with great effect:

3-army-clothing.jpg


For instance the humble Ghillie suit. Do you know where the shooter is in this picture?
2nd.jpg


Is it that bright spot on the hill? Not at all. In fact the shooter is right in front of you.
1st.jpg


The bright spot in the hill is actually a mouse :D.

Same suit, different spot.
4th.jpg


So where is he? Oh, there he is!!
7th.jpg


It's just not that easy. There are means and methods to avoid detection by radar, thermal imaging, visual optics and so on.

Thermal imaging helps, especially at night, but it's by no means a catch-all. For every trick there's a counteraction to foil it and snipers are some of the most innovative people on the modern battlefield.

you are right offense is the best defense, India should respond with importing best snipers and getting them trained by best trainers available....
Pakistan uses snipers against us to scare our patrolling soldiers, but instead we respond with long range artillery and mortars on some other distant front... the aim is to cause casualty in whichever way possible

There is lot of hate for Pakistan in India, I remember when I was in 6th grade, when teacher showed map of Pakistan, and fellow 6th graders suggested why we don't put poison in Indus river etc...

Can you suggest a good weapon or Technology to use against a lower riparian country ?
 
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@Indian members
Cant we hit out Pakistani soldiers in the same fashion ?
Is it an issue of capability or something else ....

It's due to the fact that we have more pertinent things to worry about, which is growth, economy & getting rid of corruption.

@utraash response is always delivered in a measured response, which is given back with interest.

There are images, videos of Bofors AA guns, Carl Gostov launchers, etc. firing on post. What difference does it make? What both countries are doing are retarded, including what India is doing. You can post stupid images, so can Indians. Both look foolish.

Forget it man, its futile, these guys cant filter logic from reason.
 
Its not just the guns or other equipment its the man behind the scope and the trigger , it runs in some's blood and in some's it simply doesn't !!
 
Thanks for letting us know. Appreciate the heads up!
 
A civilian residence as hit by Indian Shelling, PA is there to repair and help if possible. We can see civilian standing there which is not the routine to visit a post or so like this. An abandoned structure that IA shelled.

Yes a house that took multiple direct hits of high explosive rounds yet stands only partly damaged.

Pakistani village houses are also battle hardened lol.
 
Can you suggest a good weapon or Technology to use against a lower riparian country ?

I can suggest lots of things, but will keep on the topic of marksman.

The best defense against skarpskytters is another. Better tactics make a difference. For instance do you know what's going on with the lights in this picture? Why would he point lights at himself? Wont that make him easier to see?

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Lights pointed towards an object obscure objects behind the source itself, i.e. pointing a light toward a target to conceal the shooter behind the light source. In this photo the shooter is using a loophole to remain concealed and lights to further mask their location and muffle light flash from the rifle, by angling them in such a way that obscures him but allows him to see his target. He's at a standoff distance from the loophole as well, which also aids in his concealment, not right on top of it like in this picture.

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Screens can be used too for flash concealment. Again, the shooter has employed some fancy lighting, a cloth screen and FFP (Final Fire Position) location to present the room as being empty when viewed from outside and the screen masks the sound and flash of the shot.

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Here's another shot illustrating these techniques. Screen + Fancy lighting + standoff FFP = well concealed shooter, even after taking a shot.

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Western military employ squad-sniper stacks where each man has a role in the team. One man for demolitions, one as a JTAC for air or artillery support, one or two for security employing wire traps, noise makers and rapid-fire weapons to alert the stack to enemy movements and help them get away from trouble, one as the primary shooter and one as the secondary shooter. Another might employ counter electronics or surveillance gear.

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Better training helps negate technological advantages like thermal gun sights, but so to do better tactics. Often tactical changes force an adversary to have to adapt to you, rather then you playing catchup to them. Pair them with better technologies, since it's harder to overcome well designed and flexible tactics then it is technological crutches.

Employing technologies like high-fidelity shot locators can help, but against a well concealed or skilled marksman they're of less use. Using the techniques above, a marksman can baffle shot locators by hiding the sound of their rifle using cleaver acoustic trickery like positioning or screens and loopholes, not to mention shot suppressors.

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Better tactics, better training and better gear to support them. That's what I suggest.

If that fails a PGM never does:D.

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Of course these tactics are situational, pertaining in particular to marksmanship in urban environments, but other tactical shifts will work in other situations. That's for the either side to explore for themselves.
 
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India, Israel, USA , Rusks, UK all missing from participating countries, you should have sent him in Olympics , Gold the milta. Any ways solider is a Solider.

A very simple search online would have given you the list of participant countries, did you try searching? I don't think so because you just want to make a point. Just a simple search and I have found that there were participants from 15 countries including Russia, France, Israel among other countries .

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1002635.shtml
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/22/content_26560024.htm

So kindly next time, research before presenting your views as facts.

first question comes to my mind, what are Indian snipers doing ? :/

Trying their best to hide and not get killed by Pakistani snipers
 
I can suggest lots of things, but will keep on the topic of marksman.

The best defense against skarpskytters is another. Better tactics make a difference. For instance do you know what's going on with the lights in this picture? Why would he point lights at himself? Wont that make him easier to see?

%C3%A5119_Grebe2016_Brohaugfoto.t572070bc.m1600.x17df1bca.jpg


Lights pointed towards an object obscure objects behind them. In this photo the shooter is using a loophole to remain concealed and lights to further mask their location and muffle light flash from the rifle, by angling them in such a way that obscures him but allows him to see his target. He's at a standoff distance from the loophole as well, which also aids in his concealment, not right on top of it like in this picture.

20718.jpg


Screens can be used too for flash concealment. Again, the shooter has employed some fancy lighting, a cloth screen and FFP (Final Fire Position) location to present the room as being empty when viewed from outside and the screen masks the sound and flash of the shot.

39.t51b04f9e.m1600.x17b14b32.jpg


Here's another shot illustrating these techniques. Screen + Fancy lighting + standoff FFP = well concealed shooter, even after taking a shot.

SR060613001.t4fcc7928.m2400.xffc70e4b.jpg


Western military employ squad-sniper stacks where each man has a role in the team. One man for demolitions, one as a JTAC for air or artillery support, one or two for security employing wire traps, noise makers and rapid-fire weapons to alert the stack to enemy movements and help them get away from trouble, one as the primary shooter and one as the secondary shooter. Another might employ counter electronics or surveillance gear.

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Better training helps negate technological advantages like thermal gun sights, but so to do better tactics. Often tactical changes force an adversary to have to adapt to you, rather then you playing catchup to them. Pair them with better technologies, since it's harder to overcome well designed and flexible tactics then it is technological crutches.

Employing technologies like high-fidelity shot locators can help, but against a well concealed or skilled marksman they're of less use. Using the techniques above, a marksman can baffle shot locators by hiding the sound of their rifle using cleaver acoustic trickery like positioning or screens and loopholes, not to mention shot suppressors.

fsj2bn-10.t55e99736.m1600.x70e02c37.jpg


Better tactics, better training and better gear to support them. That's what I suggest.

If that fails a PGM never does:D.

s28_RTR4EFXH.jpg


Of course these tactics are situational, pertaining in particular to marksmanship in urban environments, but other tactical shifts will work in other situations. That's for the either side to explore for themselves.
this is so cool, thanks for the info :D
 
India is enhancing its small arms capability to take on Pakistani snipers along the border with Pakistan. The Indian Army has lost 25 soldiers within two months as a result sniping and mortar fire from across the border.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — India will equip its army border units with long range light machine guns and night vision devices (NVDs). The Indian Army has asked for ‘state-of-art' night sights from global manufacturers in order to help soldiers fire 7.62 mm Light Machine Guns (LMGs) accurately in any visibility. India needs these long-range 24x7 LMGs to dissuade Pakistani snipers from taking up positions to harass Indian soldiers manning posts along the border

Sir, there is a huge difference between a Sniper and a Shooter. The word sniper used in the military doesn't just refer to a guy with a gun. A Sniper is more trained than majority of the basic Special Forces guys. Remember, a Special Forces unit, has what? A couple of snipers... who protect the unit from the enemy as well as guard close quarters and take out the enemy before they can harm the soldiers. And they have to produce the best results while they are "unseen".

A part of their training also ensures training for night combat and ensuring that they can remain hidden and can't be seen with IR and NV googles / helmets. A sniper is a killing machine where the machine knows how to hide and still kill. Thanks
 
The most important rule of a overt or covert war is: Maximise enemy causalities and minimise own loss.

One the first part we are doing very good, the PA men are going off in bunches thanks to our deadly firepower.

On the second part, although PA entire bunkers are being destroyed in wholesale however this does not limit our loss as PA sniper are causing loss of IA men. We cannot be satisfied with loss of our men by just claiming that our loss is heavily disproportionate with PA loss. We should work on bringing our loss to the most minimum as possible and should never follow PA crap policy of denying up their own loss.

Then the game should be followed up for a logical conclusion.
 

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