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Sat, Nov 29 03:53 PM

US officials fear that should the firm evidence emerge that the Mumbai terror attacks were planned and directed from within Pakistan, it would certainly escalate tension between the neighbouring countries and could also provoke an Indian military response, even strikes against militants, a media report said on Saturday.

Quoting the officials in Washington, 'The New York Times' said there was no evidence that Pakistani government had any role in the attacks.

But American intelligence and counter-terrorism officials told the paper that there is mounting evidence that a Pakistani militant group, most likely Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), was responsible for deadly attacks in Mumbai.

An American counter-terrorism official was quoted as saying that there was strong evidence that LeT had a 'maritime capability' and would have been able to mount the sophisticated operation in Mumbai.

However, the officials, the 'Times' said, cautioned that they had reached no firm conclusions about who was responsible for the attacks, or how they were planned and carried out.

Nevertheless, they said that evidence gathered in the past two days pointed to a role for LeT or possibly another militant group Jaish-e-Muhammad, which also has a track record of attacks against India.

The American and Indian intelligence services, the 'Times' said, have used communications intercepts to tie the Pakistan-based militants to the terrorist strikes.

Indian officials may also be gleaning information from at least one captured gunman who participated in the Mumbai attacks.

The paper quoted an Indian intelligence official as saying that during the siege, the militants have been using non-Indian cellphones and receiving calls from outside the country, evidence that in part led Indian officials to speak publicly about the militants' external ties.

The LeT denied any responsibility for the terrorist strikes.

But American intelligence agencies were quoted as saying that the group has received some training and logistic support in the past from Pakistan's powerful spy service ISI, and that Pakistan's government has long turned a blind eye to the LeT camps on the Kashmir border.

American and Indian officials, the paper said, were pursuing the possibility that the attackers arrived off the coast of Mumbai in a large ship and then boarded smaller boats before initiating their attack.

They have for years blamed LeT for a campaign of violence against high-profile targets throughout India, including the December 2001 attack on Indian Parliament and an August 2007 strike at an amusement park in Hyderabad, the paper said,

Noting that at times, Indian officials have also said Jaish-e-Muhammad was responsible for the attack on Parliament.

That attack prompted the Bush administration to try to freeze LeT's assets and press Gen Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's President at the time, to crack down on the group's training operations in Pakistan, the paper recalled.

A State Department report released in 2008 called LeT 'one of the largest and most proficient of the Kashmir-focused militant groups'.

The report said that the LeT drew financing in part from Pakistani expatriates in the Middle East, and that it used a front organisation called Jamaat ud-Daawa to coordinate charitable activities.

It said the actual size of the group was unknown, but estimated it at 'several thousand' members, the paper noted.

Recently, the 'Times' said, some of the group's operations have shifted from Kashmir to Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas and even to Afghanistan to attack US troops.

American officials and terrorism experts were quoted as saying that the group had not sent large numbers of operatives into Afghanistan, but had embedded small teams with Taliban units to gain fighting experience.

"Afghanistan is an operating war zone, so they can get active training as the Kashmir front has slowed down a bit," the 'Times' quoted Seth Jones, a terrorism expert at the RAND Corporation, as saying.

The group is believed by experts to have at least a loose affiliation with al-Qaeda, the paper said, adding that in March 2002, a Qaeda lieutenant, Abu Zubaydah, was captured in an LeT safe house in Faisalabad, Pakistan.

Lashkar-e-Toiba is not known to have singled out Westerners in past terrorist attacks, as the gunmen in Mumbai seem to have done. But one counter-terrorism official told the paper that the group 'has not pursued an exclusively Kashmiri agenda' and that it might certainly go after Westerners to advance broader goals.


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Sat, Nov 29 03:53 PM

US officials fear that should the firm evidence emerge that the Mumbai terror attacks were planned and directed from within Pakistan, it would certainly escalate tension between the neighbouring countries and could also provoke an Indian military response, even strikes against militants, a media report said on Saturday.

Quoting the officials in Washington, 'The New York Times' said there was no evidence that Pakistani government had any role in the attacks.

But American intelligence and counter-terrorism officials told the paper that there is mounting evidence that a Pakistani militant group, most likely Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), was responsible for deadly attacks in Mumbai.

An American counter-terrorism official was quoted as saying that there was strong evidence that LeT had a 'maritime capability' and would have been able to mount the sophisticated operation in Mumbai.

However, the officials, the 'Times' said, cautioned that they had reached no firm conclusions about who was responsible for the attacks, or how they were planned and carried out.

Nevertheless, they said that evidence gathered in the past two days pointed to a role for LeT or possibly another militant group Jaish-e-Muhammad, which also has a track record of attacks against India.

The American and Indian intelligence services, the 'Times' said, have used communications intercepts to tie the Pakistan-based militants to the terrorist strikes.

Indian officials may also be gleaning information from at least one captured gunman who participated in the Mumbai attacks.

The paper quoted an Indian intelligence official as saying that during the siege, the militants have been using non-Indian cellphones and receiving calls from outside the country, evidence that in part led Indian officials to speak publicly about the militants' external ties.

The LeT denied any responsibility for the terrorist strikes.

But American intelligence agencies were quoted as saying that the group has received some training and logistic support in the past from Pakistan's powerful spy service ISI, and that Pakistan's government has long turned a blind eye to the LeT camps on the Kashmir border.

American and Indian officials, the paper said, were pursuing the possibility that the attackers arrived off the coast of Mumbai in a large ship and then boarded smaller boats before initiating their attack.

They have for years blamed LeT for a campaign of violence against high-profile targets throughout India, including the December 2001 attack on Indian Parliament and an August 2007 strike at an amusement park in Hyderabad, the paper said,

Noting that at times, Indian officials have also said Jaish-e-Muhammad was responsible for the attack on Parliament.

That attack prompted the Bush administration to try to freeze LeT's assets and press Gen Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's President at the time, to crack down on the group's training operations in Pakistan, the paper recalled.

A State Department report released in 2008 called LeT 'one of the largest and most proficient of the Kashmir-focused militant groups'.

The report said that the LeT drew financing in part from Pakistani expatriates in the Middle East, and that it used a front organisation called Jamaat ud-Daawa to coordinate charitable activities.

It said the actual size of the group was unknown, but estimated it at 'several thousand' members, the paper noted.

Recently, the 'Times' said, some of the group's operations have shifted from Kashmir to Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas and even to Afghanistan to attack US troops.

American officials and terrorism experts were quoted as saying that the group had not sent large numbers of operatives into Afghanistan, but had embedded small teams with Taliban units to gain fighting experience.

"Afghanistan is an operating war zone, so they can get active training as the Kashmir front has slowed down a bit," the 'Times' quoted Seth Jones, a terrorism expert at the RAND Corporation, as saying.

The group is believed by experts to have at least a loose affiliation with al-Qaeda, the paper said, adding that in March 2002, a Qaeda lieutenant, Abu Zubaydah, was captured in an LeT safe house in Faisalabad, Pakistan.

Lashkar-e-Toiba is not known to have singled out Westerners in past terrorist attacks, as the gunmen in Mumbai seem to have done. But one counter-terrorism official told the paper that the group 'has not pursued an exclusively Kashmiri agenda' and that it might certainly go after Westerners to advance broader goals.


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Kharian_Beast; sir
"Indian military response, even strikes against militants"!
i guss, surly IAF is planing the stunt, or already planned it, whatever it is ,its comming soon in about 2 weeks or so, i am confident about it!:tsk::angry:

it will be intersting , to see response of our leadership in the situation , because if they react to IAF air strikes inside pakistan , it can become all out air war, if they dont , thn they will lose thier every credibility, to govrn pakistan?:lol::tup:
 
Kharian_Beast; sir
"Indian military response, even strikes against militants"!
i guss, surly IAF is planing the stunt, or already planned it, whatever it is ,its comming soon in about 2 weeks or so, i am confident about it!:tsk::angry:

it will be intersting , to see response of our leadership in the situation , because if they react to IAF air strikes inside pakistan , it can become all out air war, if they dont , thn they will lose thier every credibility, to govrn pakistan?:lol::tup:

the history is going to repeat itself.
 
hasang20; sir
i dont belive it, there is no more " MUSHARAF" OR "ZIA" IN PAKISTAN:lol::tsk:

it doesnt matter it is and we are going to war with India not US becuase they know Pakistan can just fight Afgan border with a little funding from GURIILEES they are scared of them so we can take India alone and Pakistan just got the order to make 800 JF-17 5th gen i am really proud of Pakistan while i see the IDEAS DEFENCE 2008 Pakistan is getting developed as everyday pass by i like to all the muslims be united ishallah.
 
Kharian_Beast; sir
"Indian military response, even strikes against militants"!
i guss, surly IAF is planing the stunt, or already planned it, whatever it is ,its comming soon in about 2 weeks or so, i am confident about it!:tsk::angry:

it will be intersting , to see response of our leadership in the situation , because if they react to IAF air strikes inside pakistan , it can become all out air war, if they dont , thn they will lose thier every credibility, to govrn pakistan?:lol::tup:

The ball is in India's court, if she wants war it is very easy.

Cooperation and humility is even easier.
 
The ball is in India's court, if she wants war it is very easy.

Cooperation and humility is even easier.

the ball is in Pakistan's court. Pakistani government has to show some guts to its ISI and military and find out those who were involved in this attack and hand over to india for proper punishment, rather than hiding those killers on the name of a democratic government.
 
Asalam Alaikum brother and sisters. It is time we all pray to prevent war. No one wants a war and no one likes a war. Please everyone pray to prevent a war.
:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
The title of the thread does not match the contents.

Btw, there's been never any reports about the presence of Indian troops in Afghanistan.
 
The title of the thread does not match the contents.

Btw, there's been never any reports about the presence of Indian troops in Afghanistan.

There are ITBP, CRPF and other para's whose duty is to secure Indian Engineers/staff working for rebuilding Afghanistan.

Thats all. Securing Indian workers.
 
The title of the thread does not match the contents.

Btw, there's been never any reports about the presence of Indian troops in Afghanistan.

That's because the title of this thread has done the thinking for you.

One can only assume that if India is making gestures of attacking terrorist bases in Pakistan, and the US allows it under guise of WoT as suggested in this now old article, then India becomes an overt member of the ISAF.

PS - No one will confirm for you if India is in Afghanistan.
 
it doesnt matter it is and we are going to war with India not US becuase they know Pakistan can just fight Afgan border with a little funding from GURIILEES they are scared of them so we can take India alone and Pakistan just got the order to make 800 JF-17 5th gen i am really proud of Pakistan while i see the IDEAS DEFENCE 2008 Pakistan is getting developed as everyday pass by i like to all the muslims be united ishallah.

Pakistan is getting 800 JF17's? really? that is a lot.......... or are you saying Pakistan is going to build 800 planes for some countries?
 
There are ITBP, CRPF and other para's whose duty is to secure Indian Engineers/staff working for rebuilding Afghanistan.

Thats all. Securing Indian workers.

which troops are they embedded with? I am sure they do not operate solely in Afghanistan.
 
which troops are they embedded with? I am sure they do not operate solely in Afghanistan.

They are affiliated to the Indian Embassy and they get co-operation from ANA and Afghan Police.

They do operate solely and arenot embedded with anyone especially ISAF and NATO.
 
They are affiliated to the Indian Embassy and they get co-operation from ANA and Afghan Police.

They do operate solely and arenot embedded with anyone especially ISAF and NATO.

They will soon join ISAF is my thinking, if they haven't already.
 

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