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Here are the reasons why peace can never be achieved until there's a paradigm shift in the psyche of the powers that be. I had posted this in some other thread but it got lost in the labyrinthine maze of traffic on PDF.

The problem lies in the fact that the Zia doctrine is live and kicking in the PA. 'Bleeding India with a thousand cuts' is their signature tune especially after the 1971 war. Retribution for the loss is foremost in the psyche of the PA. They need to hurt India to get even. So any attempt at a detente is going to be a non-starter - unless of course there is a shift in this stereotypical thinking.

The second side of the triangle is the insecurity of the PA. They seem to be paranoid about being enveloped by India in the East, and Afghanistan supported by India in the West and therefore are propping up the Taliban (Haqqani) to take over the helm after American troops withdraw. For this they have been supping with the devil for the past 10 years, playing a game of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. The Americans know this but are caught in a cleft stick as without Pakistan the cost of the WOT in Afghanistan would become prohibitive. If the Pakistan Establishment hadn't helped and supported the Taliban all these years, the game would have been over in Afghanistan long ago.

This has resulted in drone attacks that have killed hundreds of terrorists but resulted in collateral damage too which in turn has given birth to the TTP which has been responsible for the massive casualties of Pakistanis - more than 50,000 soldiers and civilians killed and many more wounded. This has also given birth to a number of militant groups, all jostling for space. The Establishment's support to terrorist groups to fight their wars against India by proxy has started getting out of control with splinter groups charting their own course by getting help of groups inimical to Pakistan's interests. This melds into the third side of the triangle which is:

The need of the PA to keep the Indian 'threat' alive, without which the very raison d'etre of the PA would be at stake. Otherwise they would be sidelined and lose their credibility and importance in Pakistan. So they need an enemy to keep up the charade, which needless to say is India.

At the center of this triangle are the vested interests that need to keep Indo-Pak hostilities going and the pot boiling. An example is the JuD that collects millions of rupees from the sheeple by its anti-India tirades, without which contributions would dry up. They need a reason which is the 'liberation of Kashmir'. A very convenient motive as this could last for decades resulting in a steady flow of funds.

So, the question is: Do vested interest really want to solve the Kashmir dispute? The answer would be, NO!

I would also hasten to add that the Indian media and some politicians need to tone down their rhetoric and stop bashing Pakistan at the drop of a hat. This is vitiating the atmosphere, blowing out the sputtering candle of peace in the wind of hostility by providing a handle to the India-baiters to up the ante.

So, it's not just the conversion of the LoC or other such simplistic proposals that would sort out the Indo-Pak problem as many are led to believe. There are wheels within wheels - almost impossible to extricate from. And therefore, though Aman ki Asha is a noble concept, it will remain a non starter till well into the future.


What do you guys think? Is there hope?
 
Here are the reasons why peace can never be achieved until there's a paradigm shift in the psyche of the powers that be. I had posted this in some other thread but it got lost in the labyrinthine maze of traffic on PDF.

The problem lies in the fact that the Zia doctrine is live and kicking in the PA. 'Bleeding India with a thousand cuts' is their signature tune especially after the 1971 war. Retribution for the loss is foremost in the psyche of the PA. They need to hurt India to get even. So any attempt at a detente is going to be a non-starter - unless of course there is a shift in this stereotypical thinking.

The second side of the triangle is the insecurity of the PA. They seem to be paranoid about being enveloped by India in the East, and Afghanistan supported by India in the West and therefore are propping up the Taliban (Haqqani) to take over the helm after American troops withdraw. For this they have been supping with the devil for the past 10 years, playing a game of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. The Americans know this but are caught in a cleft stick as without Pakistan the cost of the WOT in Afghanistan would become prohibitive. If the Pakistan Establishment hadn't helped and supported the Taliban all these years, the game would have been over in Afghanistan long ago.

This has resulted in drone attacks that have killed hundreds of terrorists but resulted in collateral damage too which in turn has given birth to the TTP which has been responsible for the massive casualties of Pakistanis - more than 50,000 soldiers and civilians killed and many more wounded. This has also given birth to a number of militant groups, all jostling for space. The Establishment's support to terrorist groups to fight their wars against India by proxy has started getting out of control with splinter groups charting their own course by getting help of groups inimical to Pakistan's interests. This melds into the third side of the triangle which is:

The need of the PA to keep the Indian 'threat' alive, without which the very raison d'etre of the PA would be at stake. Otherwise they would be sidelined and lose their credibility and importance in Pakistan. So they need an enemy to keep up the charade, which needless to say is India.

At the center of this triangle are the vested interests that need to keep Indo-Pak hostilities going and the pot boiling. An example is the JuD that collects millions of rupees from the sheeple by its anti-India tirades, without which contributions would dry up. They need a reason which is the 'liberation of Kashmir'. A very convenient motive as this could last for decades resulting in a steady flow of funds.

I would also hasten to add that the Indian media and some politicians need to tone down their rhetoric and stop bashing Pakistan at the drop of a hat. This is vitiating the atmosphere, blowing out the sputtering candle of peace in the wind of hostility by providing a handle to the India-baiters to up the ante.

So, it's not just the conversion of the LoC or other such simplistic proposals that would sort out the Indo-Pak problem as many are led to believe. There are wheels within wheels - almost impossible to extricate from. And therefore, though Aman ki Asha is a noble concept, it will remain a non starter till well into the future.


What do you guys think? Is there hope?
NO!!!
 
I do not know how much people will agree to my thoughts....but here is my perception of India and Pakistan..

1- Of course Pakistan has to stop aiding anti Indian militant people.
2- The perception of India towards is a reflection and somewhat related to the relation between Hindu people/Hindustani Muslim vs Muslims of India....As long as the fundamental dispute of these two logical segment of people in India is not resolved then i do not think India and Pakistan relationship can be improved....That means apart from the steps taken by Pakistan, India and its people needs think a lot of engagement of the 2 logical groups that i have mentioned above and sort our the differences....

3- Trust be if the nation of Pakistan would not have been a Islamic Pakistan and rather than that it will be a Hindu ity majority nation like Nepal, in spite of all these things that is being done by that country, India could have still considered it as a friendly nation...

4- Again in the same veing, as long as Muslims of Pakistan do not accept and respect the Hindu people. India and Pakistan relation will be always in the movie and news paper only.
 
The Pot calling the kettle black :lol:

Yes 71 gives India-1 Pakistan-0 and sure its background is India's insecurity in a United Pakistan.......deeep fear of being enveloped between East and West.....didn't it? So you play your part nasty, in-cheat, instigate succession wihtin united Pakistan elements......and then finally succedded in breaking it up.

And now when Pakistan playing the same game with same standards you Indians earlier bench-marked here comes hypocritical indains like CRY BABIES.......!!

Arey.....G may itna goo nahin tu, why don't just plebisite honestly in Kashimir and resolves the matter amicably.
 
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The Pot calling the kettle black :lol:

Yes 71 gives India-1 Pakistan-0 and sure its background is India's insecurity in a United Pakistan.......deeep fear of being enveloped between East and West.....didn't it? So you play your part nasty, in-cheat, instigate succession wihtin united Pakistan elements......and then finally succedded in breaking it up.

And now when Pakistan playing the same game with same standards you Indians earlier bank marched here comes hypocritical indains like CRY BABIES.......!!

Arey.....G may itna goo nahin tu, why don't just plebisite honestly in Kashimir and resolves the matter amicably.
Bcz kashmir is ours...we will never hold any stupid plebiscite.

it is going to be 2-0 when we will free baluchistan...my dear ****
 
Bcz kashmir is ours...we will never hold any stupid plebiscite.

it is going to be 2-0 when we will free baluchistan...my dear ****

You'r most welcome.....but plssssssssss dont't cry when we hit you with same weapon and just explains it to people like @OrionHunter behind Pakistan's rationality:coffee:
 
Here are the reasons why peace can never be achieved until there's a paradigm shift in the psyche of the powers that be. I had posted this in some other thread but it got lost in the labyrinthine maze of traffic on PDF.

The problem lies in the fact that the Zia doctrine is live and kicking in the PA. 'Bleeding India with a thousand cuts' is their signature tune especially after the 1971 war. Retribution for the loss is foremost in the psyche of the PA. They need to hurt India to get even. So any attempt at a detente is going to be a non-starter - unless of course there is a shift in this stereotypical thinking.

The second side of the triangle is the insecurity of the PA. They seem to be paranoid about being enveloped by India in the East, and Afghanistan supported by India in the West and therefore are propping up the Taliban (Haqqani) to take over the helm after American troops withdraw. For this they have been supping with the devil for the past 10 years, playing a game of running with the hare and hunting with the hounds. The Americans know this but are caught in a cleft stick as without Pakistan the cost of the WOT in Afghanistan would become prohibitive. If the Pakistan Establishment hadn't helped and supported the Taliban all these years, the game would have been over in Afghanistan long ago.

This has resulted in drone attacks that have killed hundreds of terrorists but resulted in collateral damage too which in turn has given birth to the TTP which has been responsible for the massive casualties of Pakistanis - more than 50,000 soldiers and civilians killed and many more wounded. This has also given birth to a number of militant groups, all jostling for space. The Establishment's support to terrorist groups to fight their wars against India by proxy has started getting out of control with splinter groups charting their own course by getting help of groups inimical to Pakistan's interests. This melds into the third side of the triangle which is:

The need of the PA to keep the Indian 'threat' alive, without which the very raison d'etre of the PA would be at stake. Otherwise they would be sidelined and lose their credibility and importance in Pakistan. So they need an enemy to keep up the charade, which needless to say is India.

At the center of this triangle are the vested interests that need to keep Indo-Pak hostilities going and the pot boiling. An example is the JuD that collects millions of rupees from the sheeple by its anti-India tirades, without which contributions would dry up. They need a reason which is the 'liberation of Kashmir'. A very convenient motive as this could last for decades resulting in a steady flow of funds.

So, the question is: Do vested interest really want to solve the Kashmir dispute? The answer would be, NO!

I would also hasten to add that the Indian media and some politicians need to tone down their rhetoric and stop bashing Pakistan at the drop of a hat. This is vitiating the atmosphere, blowing out the sputtering candle of peace in the wind of hostility by providing a handle to the India-baiters to up the ante.

So, it's not just the conversion of the LoC or other such simplistic proposals that would sort out the Indo-Pak problem as many are led to believe. There are wheels within wheels - almost impossible to extricate from. And therefore, though Aman ki Asha is a noble concept, it will remain a non starter till well into the future.


What do you guys think? Is there hope?
No hope. Stop making BS threads.

they are our enemies since 1947.

as a looser pakistani as mentioned that its 1-0 and they are like always behind India. :lol:
 
Even if PA Chief really wants to change the security doctrine and policy of Pakistan, will be a herculean task given their past policies. He will just play safe (knowing that Pakistani major problem is internal and will try to fight it out and keeping the Anti - India feeling alive as a plan B for contingencies if fight against TTP goes wrong (they have massive support in Pak people) will try Anti-India card for keeping his chair safe and a interim measure to divert attention from people.)
 
The Pot calling the kettle black :lol:

Yes 71 gives India-1 Pakistan-0 and sure its background is India's insecurity in a United Pakistan.......deeep fear of being enveloped between East and West.....didn't it? So you play your part nasty, in-cheat, instigate succession wihtin united Pakistan elements......and then finally succedded in breaking it up.

And now when Pakistan playing the same game with same standards you Indians earlier bench-marked here comes hypocritical indains like CRY BABIES.......!!

Arey.....G may itna goo nahin tu, why don't just plebisite honestly in Kashimir and resolves the matter amicably.
see you guys should not cry about 71. India did NOT send indian terrorists in BD. Secondly and more importantly, india did not kill civilians in Punjab as part of terrorism. Pakistan is sending non kashmiris into Kshmir. second, pak sending Punjabi terror into indian cities. now that's the key difference.
evn I honestly wish that the ttp comes to power and implements sharia. I honestly wish that BLA and Sindh secede and all the Punjabi muslims lead a horrible life. but I am not going to cause terror to do that. you guys are killing innocent hindus in Bombay and Calcutta citing Kashmir. that's nothing but cowardly terror
 
No hope. Stop making BS threads.

they are our enemies since 1947.

as a looser pakistani as mentioned that its 1-0 and they are like always behind India. :lol:

The Point is who is crying and bending for mercy at this very moment.....:haha:
 

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