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If Afghanistan collapses…

By Shahid Javed Burki - Published: August 21, 2016


If Afghanistan collapses – which it might – its consequences will be felt far from its borders.

Three of its immediate neighbours will be seriously affected. Pakistan and Iran sill have to deal with the arrival of a political entity on their borders that will not be able to control and perhaps would seek to create trouble in their neighbouring countries. China has invested significant amounts of resources to exploit Afghanistan’s large mineral wealth. It would also want to include the country in the land-based arteries of international commerce it is hoping to build in the near future. Work has already begun on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. A similar corridor is being constructed in Kazakhstan. The hope of linking the two by building a north-south system through Afghanistan will have to be postponed. India has also made large investments in the country; an agreement to upgrade the port at Chabrahar was signed this summer by Afghanistan, India and Iran. The Indians are hoping to connect the port with a highway that will go through Iran to Afghanistan. A great deal hangs on stability in Afghanistan for its neighbours and near-neighbours.

The Afghan state, never very strong, still classed by world as a 'Failed State' even at the best of times, has come under pressure from several directions. The Afghan Taliban have become active this fighting season, sensing that the withdrawal of the United States and its allies has created an opportunity it must avail while the Afghan military is still struggling to develop into a competent fighting force. Added to the increasing pressure exerted by the Taliban in the country is the arrival of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. ISIS is also seeing an opportunity to create a presence outside the Arab world. Afghan Taliban are more stronger than ever. Adding to these two pressures is the inability of the country’s political system to develop into a functioning democratic entity that can replace the use of violence as a way of expressing interests with political discourse. Then, there is the growing weakness of the economy, which does not have a domestic resource base that can be used for meeting the basic needs of the people.

The growing presence of ISIS in the country became apparent with the July 23 attack on a large group of Hazaras, a Shia-community based in and around the province of Bamian. The group had gathered to protest the government decision to bypass their area in building a power line that would bring electricity from the power-surplus Central Asia to the power-deficit South Asia.

The Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan- India project was one of the major connectivity projects that had been developed to knit together Central and South Asia. Protest leaders claimed systematic bias against Hazaras by the government. The Hazaras have only in the past decade tried to shake off a long history of oppression. The attack that killed at least 80 people and injured another 230 was not the first time the Shia community had been attacked by Sunni extremists. In 2011, a suicide bombing on Shia shrine killed 63 people. The Hazaras have also come under attack in Balochistan, which had a sizeable presence of the community.

Spokesmen for ISIS quickly claimed responsibility for the Kabul attack. If, indeed, carried out by this group although India is more a culprit, known as Daesh in Afghanistan, it would be the first major urban attack in the country by radical Sunnis and could signal their first deliberate effort to target the country’s Shia minority. According to one account, “hundreds of Hazaras had reportedly fought alongside President Basharal Assad’s troops in Syria against Sunni groups including the Islamic State in recent years, making Hazaras a likely target for the extremist group’s loyalists back in Afghanistan…During the late 1990s, when the Taliban regime held power in Kabul and most of the country, it banned observing Shia religious holidays in public.”

ISIS seemed determined to stoke sectarian strife in the country. Shias make up about 10 per cent of the Afghan population with power bases in Kabul and the north-central province of Bamian. There are outside forces that would get involved in case this conflict grows. Iran, which took in huge numbers of refugees from Afghanistan’s wars, has sought increasing influence in post-war Afghan society. According to Mohammed Alizada, a Hazara member of the Afghan parliament, “the Islamic State has two factions in Afghanistan, one made up of moderate former Taliban members and one more foreign-dominated and extreme group.” If the latter grew stronger he didn’t think the Afghan government would have the capacity to defend Shias against them without the international community’s help.

The international community, led by the United States, seemed inclined to lend a helping hand but without getting too involved in the conflict. This was the approach the Obama Administration had developed during his second term in office. Under the Obama Doctrine, nation-building was to be left to the nations themselves with only marginal help from the United States. In early July 2016, the president announced slowing the planned withdrawal of his country’s troops, leaving about 8,400 through the end of 2017.

Many American experts believed that Afghan forces were not yet prepared to defeat the Taliban on their own and that the United States needed to reinforce its message of long-term commitment to the country. But the task of readying the Afghans to do the fighting was proving to be complicated and expensive and may not be sustainable under the current political environment in the United States.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 22nd, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/

What options regional powers like Pakistan, China and Iran has to stop this from happening?

 
What options regional powers like Pakistan, China and Iran has to stop this from happening?

their non interference probably is best for Afghanistan's interest.Any normal afghan will tell you the same.Let Afghan themselves and NATO/USA sort their problem out.

But we know,thats not gonna happen.
 
their non interference probably is best for Afghanistan's interest.Any normal afghan will tell you the same.Let Afghan themselves and NATO/USA sort their problem out.

But we know,thats not gonna happen.


Pakistan is there due to its cultural, religious and neighbourly links, and especailly due to Indian interfernce in Afghanistan and sponsoring terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Iran is there because its the neighbour, and some shia links in Afghanistan, and China is there due to its millions of dollars of investments in Afghanistan...in all cases each country, Pakistan, Iran and China are trying its best not to get involved in Afghan Political affairs...but who is going to save failed state Afghanistan from the further collapse which is coming now.
 
Afghanistan is the name of a collapsed entity, which is trying really hard to hold it together and revive it's future. In my view, this article itself is a kind of non-sense. :(

It should have rather discussed, "What if Afghanistan is stable for couple of decades". :)
 
Pakistan is there due to its cultural, religious and neighbourly links, and especailly due to Indian interfernce in Afghanistan and sponsoring terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Iran is there because its the neighbour, and some shia links in Afghanistan, and China is there due to its millions of dollars of investments in Afghanistan...in all cases each country, Pakistan, Iran and China are trying its best not to get involved in Afghan Political affairs...but who is going to save failed state Afghanistan from the further collapse which is coming now.

And thats what I said..Afghans are literally praying to these 3 countries that they don't need their interference,only some positive development will be welcomed.But I doubt anyone will listen.China has least interference in Afghanistan.

And about Indian Involvement in Afghanistan(as you mentioned),India wasn't there in the picture till 2004.I wonder what interest drove Pakistani interference then.
 
Loook back for as long as you can,

and tell me when was AFghanistan at peace ?
their non interference probably is best for Afghanistan's interest.Any normal afghan will tell you the same.Let Afghan themselves and NATO/USA sort their problem out.

But we know,thats not gonna happen.

Afghanistan is the name of a collapsed entity, which is trying really hard to hold it together and revive it's future. In my view, this article itself is a kind of non-sense. :(

It should have rather discussed, "What if Afghanistan is stable for couple of decades". :)
 
If Afghanistan collapses…

By Shahid Javed Burki - Published: August 21, 2016


If Afghanistan collapses – which it might – its consequences will be felt far from its borders.

Three of its immediate neighbours will be seriously affected. Pakistan and Iran sill have to deal with the arrival of a political entity on their borders that will not be able to control and perhaps would seek to create trouble in their neighbouring countries. China has invested significant amounts of resources to exploit Afghanistan’s large mineral wealth. It would also want to include the country in the land-based arteries of international commerce it is hoping to build in the near future. Work has already begun on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. A similar corridor is being constructed in Kazakhstan. The hope of linking the two by building a north-south system through Afghanistan will have to be postponed. India has also made large investments in the country; an agreement to upgrade the port at Chabrahar was signed this summer by Afghanistan, India and Iran. The Indians are hoping to connect the port with a highway that will go through Iran to Afghanistan. A great deal hangs on stability in Afghanistan for its neighbours and near-neighbours.

The Afghan state, never very strong, still classed by world as a 'Failed State' even at the best of times, has come under pressure from several directions. The Afghan Taliban have become active this fighting season, sensing that the withdrawal of the United States and its allies has created an opportunity it must avail while the Afghan military is still struggling to develop into a competent fighting force. Added to the increasing pressure exerted by the Taliban in the country is the arrival of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. ISIS is also seeing an opportunity to create a presence outside the Arab world. Afghan Taliban are more stronger than ever. Adding to these two pressures is the inability of the country’s political system to develop into a functioning democratic entity that can replace the use of violence as a way of expressing interests with political discourse. Then, there is the growing weakness of the economy, which does not have a domestic resource base that can be used for meeting the basic needs of the people.

The growing presence of ISIS in the country became apparent with the July 23 attack on a large group of Hazaras, a Shia-community based in and around the province of Bamian. The group had gathered to protest the government decision to bypass their area in building a power line that would bring electricity from the power-surplus Central Asia to the power-deficit South Asia.

The Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan- India project was one of the major connectivity projects that had been developed to knit together Central and South Asia. Protest leaders claimed systematic bias against Hazaras by the government. The Hazaras have only in the past decade tried to shake off a long history of oppression. The attack that killed at least 80 people and injured another 230 was not the first time the Shia community had been attacked by Sunni extremists. In 2011, a suicide bombing on Shia shrine killed 63 people. The Hazaras have also come under attack in Balochistan, which had a sizeable presence of the community.

Spokesmen for ISIS quickly claimed responsibility for the Kabul attack. If, indeed, carried out by this group although India is more a culprit, known as Daesh in Afghanistan, it would be the first major urban attack in the country by radical Sunnis and could signal their first deliberate effort to target the country’s Shia minority. According to one account, “hundreds of Hazaras had reportedly fought alongside President Basharal Assad’s troops in Syria against Sunni groups including the Islamic State in recent years, making Hazaras a likely target for the extremist group’s loyalists back in Afghanistan…During the late 1990s, when the Taliban regime held power in Kabul and most of the country, it banned observing Shia religious holidays in public.”

ISIS seemed determined to stoke sectarian strife in the country. Shias make up about 10 per cent of the Afghan population with power bases in Kabul and the north-central province of Bamian. There are outside forces that would get involved in case this conflict grows. Iran, which took in huge numbers of refugees from Afghanistan’s wars, has sought increasing influence in post-war Afghan society. According to Mohammed Alizada, a Hazara member of the Afghan parliament, “the Islamic State has two factions in Afghanistan, one made up of moderate former Taliban members and one more foreign-dominated and extreme group.” If the latter grew stronger he didn’t think the Afghan government would have the capacity to defend Shias against them without the international community’s help.

The international community, led by the United States, seemed inclined to lend a helping hand but without getting too involved in the conflict. This was the approach the Obama Administration had developed during his second term in office. Under the Obama Doctrine, nation-building was to be left to the nations themselves with only marginal help from the United States. In early July 2016, the president announced slowing the planned withdrawal of his country’s troops, leaving about 8,400 through the end of 2017.

Many American experts believed that Afghan forces were not yet prepared to defeat the Taliban on their own and that the United States needed to reinforce its message of long-term commitment to the country. But the task of readying the Afghans to do the fighting was proving to be complicated and expensive and may not be sustainable under the current political environment in the United States.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 22nd, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/

What options regional powers like Pakistan, China and Iran has to stop this from happening?

Those dreaming of Afghanistan failing are pretty high on the good stuff coming from Afghanistan :D

Loook back for as long as you can,

and tell me when was AFghanistan at peace ?

Just before the soviet invasion, but of course that will mean you doing a little research which of course I don't expect from you.
 
Those dreaming of Afghanistan failing are pretty high on the good stuff coming from Afghanistan :D



Just before the soviet invasion, but of course that will mean you doing a little research which of course I don't expect from you.

You do understand that Afghanistan means beyond Kabul. but of course, i didn't expect an honest answer from you.

Lets analyze past 1000 years. now give the % time spent in peace.
 
Loook back for as long as you can,

and tell me when was AFghanistan at peace ?

A valid point..but entire world is troubled since dawn of human race.

Anyway,Afghanistan was pretty much a stabled(with internal hiccups) country till Saur Revolution.
 
Those dreaming of Afghanistan failing are pretty high on the good stuff coming from Afghanistan :D



Just before the soviet invasion, but of course that will mean you doing a little research which of course I don't expect from you.
Apart from external interference, Afghanistan's instability owes a lot to internal political crisis as well. There are just too many powerplayers with divergent interests causing problems. US, well apparently their stay in Afghanistan for days to come would be kind of "Make amends" of their war on Talibans. So if Afghanistan is to strive forward towards peace and progress, its internal stakeholders would have to give way to each other and work as a unity rather than a mix of militias and proxies.
 
And thats what I said..Afghans are literally praying to these 3 countries that they don't need their interference,only some positive development will be welcomed.But I doubt anyone will listen.China has least interference in Afghanistan.

And about Indian Involvement in Afghanistan(as you mentioned),India wasn't there in the picture till 2004.I wonder what interest drove Pakistani interference then.

What interest drove India to interfere in East Pakistan in 71 is the same interest which drove Pakistan to interfere in Afghanistan so to make it stabilize. Doesnt take an Einstein to figure this out
 
If Afghanistan collapses…

By Shahid Javed Burki - Published: August 21, 2016


If Afghanistan collapses – which it might – its consequences will be felt far from its borders.

Three of its immediate neighbours will be seriously affected. Pakistan and Iran sill have to deal with the arrival of a political entity on their borders that will not be able to control and perhaps would seek to create trouble in their neighbouring countries. China has invested significant amounts of resources to exploit Afghanistan’s large mineral wealth. It would also want to include the country in the land-based arteries of international commerce it is hoping to build in the near future. Work has already begun on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. A similar corridor is being constructed in Kazakhstan. The hope of linking the two by building a north-south system through Afghanistan will have to be postponed. India has also made large investments in the country; an agreement to upgrade the port at Chabrahar was signed this summer by Afghanistan, India and Iran. The Indians are hoping to connect the port with a highway that will go through Iran to Afghanistan. A great deal hangs on stability in Afghanistan for its neighbours and near-neighbours.

The Afghan state, never very strong, still classed by world as a 'Failed State' even at the best of times, has come under pressure from several directions. The Afghan Taliban have become active this fighting season, sensing that the withdrawal of the United States and its allies has created an opportunity it must avail while the Afghan military is still struggling to develop into a competent fighting force. Added to the increasing pressure exerted by the Taliban in the country is the arrival of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. ISIS is also seeing an opportunity to create a presence outside the Arab world. Afghan Taliban are more stronger than ever. Adding to these two pressures is the inability of the country’s political system to develop into a functioning democratic entity that can replace the use of violence as a way of expressing interests with political discourse. Then, there is the growing weakness of the economy, which does not have a domestic resource base that can be used for meeting the basic needs of the people.

The growing presence of ISIS in the country became apparent with the July 23 attack on a large group of Hazaras, a Shia-community based in and around the province of Bamian. The group had gathered to protest the government decision to bypass their area in building a power line that would bring electricity from the power-surplus Central Asia to the power-deficit South Asia.

The Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan- India project was one of the major connectivity projects that had been developed to knit together Central and South Asia. Protest leaders claimed systematic bias against Hazaras by the government. The Hazaras have only in the past decade tried to shake off a long history of oppression. The attack that killed at least 80 people and injured another 230 was not the first time the Shia community had been attacked by Sunni extremists. In 2011, a suicide bombing on Shia shrine killed 63 people. The Hazaras have also come under attack in Balochistan, which had a sizeable presence of the community.

Spokesmen for ISIS quickly claimed responsibility for the Kabul attack. If, indeed, carried out by this group although India is more a culprit, known as Daesh in Afghanistan, it would be the first major urban attack in the country by radical Sunnis and could signal their first deliberate effort to target the country’s Shia minority. According to one account, “hundreds of Hazaras had reportedly fought alongside President Basharal Assad’s troops in Syria against Sunni groups including the Islamic State in recent years, making Hazaras a likely target for the extremist group’s loyalists back in Afghanistan…During the late 1990s, when the Taliban regime held power in Kabul and most of the country, it banned observing Shia religious holidays in public.”

ISIS seemed determined to stoke sectarian strife in the country. Shias make up about 10 per cent of the Afghan population with power bases in Kabul and the north-central province of Bamian. There are outside forces that would get involved in case this conflict grows. Iran, which took in huge numbers of refugees from Afghanistan’s wars, has sought increasing influence in post-war Afghan society. According to Mohammed Alizada, a Hazara member of the Afghan parliament, “the Islamic State has two factions in Afghanistan, one made up of moderate former Taliban members and one more foreign-dominated and extreme group.” If the latter grew stronger he didn’t think the Afghan government would have the capacity to defend Shias against them without the international community’s help.

The international community, led by the United States, seemed inclined to lend a helping hand but without getting too involved in the conflict. This was the approach the Obama Administration had developed during his second term in office. Under the Obama Doctrine, nation-building was to be left to the nations themselves with only marginal help from the United States. In early July 2016, the president announced slowing the planned withdrawal of his country’s troops, leaving about 8,400 through the end of 2017.

Many American experts believed that Afghan forces were not yet prepared to defeat the Taliban on their own and that the United States needed to reinforce its message of long-term commitment to the country. But the task of readying the Afghans to do the fighting was proving to be complicated and expensive and may not be sustainable under the current political environment in the United States.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 22nd, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/

What options regional powers like Pakistan, China and Iran has to stop this from happening?
Afghanistan already collapsed 4 decades back and as consequences we are facing drug, illegal arms, refugee and terrorists and loss of billions of dollar in shape of feeding the whole Afghan nation.
Afghanistan is the most unfortunate land because they (Afghans) always betray and back stab their helping hand and as a curse from nature Afghanistan became a nation / land no one wants to claim or even conquered them it is a living hell and we are sitting next to that hell.
 
A valid point..but entire world is troubled since dawn of human race.

Anyway,Afghanistan was pretty much a stabled(with internal hiccups) country till Saur Revolution.

Logically not possible.

It consists of people from different ethnicity, different nations and different cultures.
All they have done since centuries is killed each other,
when every they got tired of that, they would turn east to loot and plunder.

That is where the fertile grounds were, that is where culture was, these animals were naturally attracted.
 

We are still recovering from the last time collapse of Afghanistan and we sincerely wish that the history does not repeat itself. Nonetheless in any such eventuality Afghan people would suffer the most as this time it wud be damn difficult for them to easily cross into Pakistan with current tight border control in place as their new darling would as usual abandon the common people and only cater for the big guns as to use them later on.
 

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