How Vietnamese still suffer thanks to America. Documentary

[senheiser]

21.09.2014

50 years after the US military intervention in the Vietnam War, the weapons it used continue to harm the local population. Unexploded mines still take lives and the consequences of “Agent Orange” claim new victims. A defoliant used by the US Air Force to destroy forests where Vietcong guerrilla fighters were taking cover, “Agent Orange” is highly toxic to humans. The chemical not only severely harmed the health of those immediately exposed to it, but also led to birth defects in subsequent generations. Its impact is still being felt in Vietnam, where it is estimated that around 5 million people are suffering from its damaging effects. They call it their “orange pain.”

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[C130]

sad stuff

 

[senheiser]

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[C130]

@Viet @vietminh @EastSea @Soryu @Rechoice @NiceGuy @dichoi @xesy @Solomon2 @Nihonjin1051 @Peter C @Beidou2020 @TaiShang @ChineseTiger1986 @Genesis @gambit @LeveragedBuyout @Jlaw @Cossack25A1

yes let's get all the American haters in here, and cry about what U.S did to Vietnam in the 60's and 70's

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

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Most Viets here love the US, it is useless to call over them.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

These are the real Vietnamese. The Vietnamese far right we see on these websites hates them. Many overseas Vietnamese despise and look down on real Vietnamese because they think they are the true inheritors of Vietnam, defeated only by "Vietcong treachery", when in reality, it was the weight of history turning against them. It is as inevitable as the tides that they be defeated. Rather than accepting their defeat in grace, and moving on, they would rather spite and hate one of Vietnam's greatest allies: China. They are trying to turn real Vietnamese against China now despite China's help to Vietnam in all fields. What they want to see, is Vietnam itself be destroyed, so that their original vision of Vietnamese as a subject people will be realized.

Who destroyed Vietnam? It was not Chinese. Who isolated Vietnam? Who stifled Vietnam's economic growth in the 70's and 80's? Was it China, who itself was poor and powerless at the time? Which nation attacked not only Vietnam's present, but also its future? Who not only attacked the soldiers, but civilians, children, and even the unborn? Who salted the earth of Vietnam in the hopes that nothing will grow again? Was it China? We all know the uncomfortable answer.

 

[gambit]

This is the usual funny...

Japan was A-bombed and is now a close US ally. China was exploited by the Europeans and is now a close trade partner with the Europeans. But it is wrong for Viet Nam and the US to reconcile their differences from the past.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It wasn't exclusively used in Vietnam.
Agent Orange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Use outside Malaya and Vietnam

3.1 Australia
3.2 Brazil
3.3 Cambodia
3.4 Canada
3.5 Guam
3.6 Korea
3.7 Laos
3.8 New Zealand
3.9 Philippines
3.10 Johnston Atoll
3.11 Okinawa, Japan
3.12 Thailand
3.13 United States

 

[gambit]

Who destroyed Vietnam? It was not Chinese.

If China had stayed out of VN post WW II, the Vietnam War would not have happened. Unbeknownst to you and your fellow Chinese on this forum, it was the US who wanted independence for Indochina, which was VN, Laos, and Cambodia, but it was China under Mao who objected to that plan.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

This is the usual funny...

Japan was A-bombed and is now a close US ally. China was exploited by the Europeans and is now a close trade partner with the Europeans. But it is wrong for Viet Nam and the US to reconcile their differences from the past.

Japan had no choice - it was a defeated and occupied nation and any resistance would be futile.

China trades with Europeans on a voluntary, profit motivated basis. There's no charity here. There's no forgiveness here. It is purely because of the profit motive and no one has any illusions that Europeans like Chinese or Chinese like Europeans. Chinese are still trying to recover cultural relics looted in the 19th century from European museums.

Vietnam, on the other hand, is free. It is baffling why a free people would choose to reconcil with a nation that attacked its present, future, men, women, children, even the land itself and the unborn, with absolutely no apology, admission of guilt or wrongdoing on the part of the attacking nation. Vietnam, whatever happened to it, posed absolutely no threat to the life, liberty or property of Americans that did not go to war with it. The Vietnam war was fought with extreme and unnecessary brutality and cruelty to the Vietnamese. And what is even more baffling is that some victims of this cruelty are defending it, ignoring it, and essentially spitting on the face of the victims. This is not just government to government, this is on the people level, which is sad.

If China had stayed out of VN post WW II, the Vietnam War would not have happened. Unbeknownst to you and your fellow Chinese on this forum, it was the US who wanted independence for Indochina, which was VN, Laos, and Cambodia, but it was China under Mao who objected to that plan.

 

[TheMatador]

After a while, Viets started to enjoy it.

 

[gambit]

Japan had no choice - it was a defeated and occupied nation and any resistance would be futile.

China trades with Europeans on a voluntary, profit motivated basis. There's no charity here. There's no forgiveness here. It is purely because of the profit motive and no one has any illusions that Europeans like Chinese or Chinese like Europeans. Chinese are still trying to recover cultural relics looted in the 19th century from European museums.

Vietnam, on the other hand, is free. It is baffling why a free people would choose to reconcil with a nation that attacked its present, future, men, women, children, even the land itself and the unborn, with absolutely no apology, admission of guilt or wrongdoing on the part of the attacking nation. Vietnam, whatever happened to it, posed absolutely no threat to the life, liberty or property of Americans that did not go to war with it. The Vietnam war was fought with extreme and unnecessary brutality and cruelty to the Vietnamese. And what is even more baffling is that some victims of this cruelty are defending it, ignoring it, and essentially spitting on the face of the victims. This is not just government to government, this is on the people level, which is sad.

There is no difference between the Viets and the Chinese here, buddy.

The relationship between the US and Viet Nam are mutually beneficial, just like the one between Europe and China. Look around your China and see for yourself. You see 'the West', from Europe and the US, all over, from social to military, in every strata of your Chinese society. You like what you see and you bought them. And that mean you spat in the faces of your ancestors who suffered under the Europeans. Nothing so 'baffling' about it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

There is no difference between the Viets and the Chinese here, buddy.

The relationship between the US and Viet Nam are mutually beneficial, just like the one between Europe and China. Look around your China and see for yourself. You see 'the West', from Europe and the US, all over, from social to military, in every strata of your Chinese society. You like what you see and you bought them. And that mean you spat in the faces of your ancestors who suffered under the Europeans. Nothing so 'baffling' about it.

The major difference: no one argues that the Europeans were morally correct.

In addition, Chinese have kept their own food, language, cultural practices, etc. There is no banh mi equivalent in China and no one eats bread. The government didn't replace Chinese characters with Latin letters. The people want reparations and return of the loot.

 

[gambit]

The major difference: no one argues that the Europeans were morally correct.

And who among the Viet members in this forum argued that what the US did in Viet Nam was morally correct ? This is nothing but a feeble attempt to conflate two separate issues, aka 'straw man'.

In addition, Chinese have kept their own food, language, cultural practices, etc. There is no banh mi equivalent in China and no one eats bread. The government didn't replace Chinese characters with Latin letters. The people want reparations and return of the loot.

You talk as if I have never been to China, or at least cannot find information about modern day Chinese society. Coffee is now a popular staple in China, for example. Who says adoption of new things have to include the abandonment of the established traditional things ? But if we go by the standards that you uses to judge the VN-US relationship, you are no different than the Viets that you ridiculed.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

And who among the Viet members in this forum argued that what the US did in Viet Nam was morally correct ? This is nothing but a feeble attempt to conflate two separate issues, aka 'straw man'.


You talk as if I have never been to China, or at least cannot find information about modern day Chinese society. Coffee is now a popular staple in China, for example. Who says adoption of new things have to include the abandonment of the established traditional things ? But if we go by the standards that you uses to judge the VN-US relationship, you are no different than the Viets that you ridiculed.

Vietnamese abandoned traditional foods for banh mi and bread, which are now part of Vietnam's breakfast. Do Chinese eat bread? No. Coffee is a beverage which is different - even the US drinks vodka as the #1 spirit. Unlike vodka, coffee is also not limited to certain countries. Vietnam abandoned its language for Latin letters.

And no, many Vietnamese here have indeed forgiven the US, despite its lack of any apology for wrongdoing. That means they have accepted that the US was justified and right. You yourself have tried justifying the war by saying it was China that started it all, pushing the responsibility for the atrocities away from those who actually committed them. I have ridiculed no one. I find it sad, not amusing.