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Time for Less Jaw-Jaw With China
Washington's dependence on dialogue could breed more misunderstanding.

By MICHAEL AUSLIN August 13, 2012, 12:26 p.m. ET


Washington has caught itself in a "jaw-jaw" trap with Beijing. It has convinced itself that Sino-U.S. relations are threatened if it's not in constant contact. Yet the truth is such dialogue raises unrealistic expectations. China's tongue-lashing of a U.S. diplomat 10 days ago over the mildest criticism of its militarization of the South China Sea has yet again exposed the limits of diplomatic engagement. It is little use trying to keep talking when it is always a one-sided conversation.

While Churchill's dictum that jaw-jaw is better than war-war is undoubtedly true, dialogue for its own sake is no assurance of building stable ties either. U.S. administrations, both Democratic and Republican, have spent decades talking with their Chinese counterparts. From presidential summits to the annual Strategic and Economic Dialogue, and from sideline meetings at global gatherings to military visits, the two countries interact in a dozen different ways.

By now, it should be clear to both just how starkly different their values and world views are. Yet Washington continues to seek more opportunities to talk, as if just one more roundtable meeting will break through the logjam of problems besetting the relationship. The U.S. government is like the proverbial American tourist overseas, who believes that if he only speaks loudly and slowly to someone with no grasp of English, he'll eventually be understood.

Beijing knows exactly what Washington is saying, and isn't buying any of it. Consider the results of more than six years of the highest-level annual dialogues. In July, China vetoed U.N. sanctions against Syria's Bashar Assad, while it regularly resists stronger sanctions against Iran's nuclear program. Meanwhile, more than a decade of military-to-military ties has done nothing to dent China's double-digit increase in its defense program or development of systems designed to attack the U.S. military.

Other engagement is similarly unsuccessful. China's inclusion into the World Trade Organization has failed to better protect U.S. intellectual property rights. Nor has exposure to American values by hundreds of thousands of Chinese students made any change in China's political system.

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Is the Strategic and Economic Dialogue (above) anything more than a photo-op?

And still, those skeptical of pointless dialogue are labeled as unsophisticated ideological reactionaries who want to stoke greater tension with China to justify increased defense budgets, or some such nefarious purpose. The votaries of dialogue lecture that they're being realistic in trying "give-and-take" with China. In their view, America must endlessly try to package its message right or make Beijing understand that becoming a responsible global actor is in its best interests.

Yet talking without purpose is not realism, it is idealism. Beijing understands that perfectly well, which is why it has made Sino-U.S. dialogue the ends, and not a means to better understanding. In its current form, the structure of U.S.-China diplomatic interaction is a bridge to nowhere because it allows Beijing to keep Washington focused solely on the next round of talks as opposed to actually trying to solve problems.

Worse, such talk may actually be damaging. Each annual Strategic and Economic Dialogue absorbs the energies of hundreds of officials, raises expectations and invariably results in no material progress. This leads to growing cynicism on the part of U.S. officials and increased skepticism from Congress.

Similarly, some longtime observers of military relations between the two sides note that the Chinese military hate their American counterparts, resent being forced into yet another round, and resist ever more strongly any attempts by American officers to have them reveal basic operating information, let alone deeper strategic-level intentions. Yet they do so on orders from Beijing, which wants to keep Washington happy. Nor have American bromides over human rights done anything but to make China resentful of U.S. interference.

The supporters of dialogue are right in saying the U.S. needs to have lines of communication with China. But that's different from the cycle of "dialogue dependency" that currently afflicts the relationship, and has to be broken.

A better path is to talk only when there is something necessary and valuable to talk about. This means seriously questioning whether to continue with the Strategic and Economic Dialogue and most military meetings.

So let whoever is U.S. president in 2013 make a New Year's resolution to cut out the meaningless jaw-jaw. When China's new leader, Xi Jinping, takes over, he should know that any discussion he has with President Romney or Obama will be of the highest importance—and not a photo-op as was the case with Hu Jintao's U.S. visit in early 2011. Or America's chairman of the joint chiefs should only be sent to engage his Chinese counterpart when there is a clear signal that Beijing has a serious agenda for reducing military tension in the South China Sea.

Stability in Asia may well be achieved for a longer period of time if China understands that the United States will not be distracted by shiny baubles like an annual dialogue. Less frequent meetings will help Washington articulate its opposition clearly, and may even help recognize Beijing's interests better. Most of all, this will stop America from using dialogue as a substitute for more serious action, and hence signal to China that its bad behavior won't just result in another summit meeting.

Mr. Auslin is a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a columnist for wsj.com. Follow him on Twitter @michaelauslin
 
The U.S. Americans are losing patience with the Chinese. They feel betrayed after years of fruitless talks.
I think we'll see soon more aggressive actions by the Americans. Gratulation China!
 
The U.S. Americans are losing patience with the Chinese. They feel betrayed after years of fruitless talks.
I think we'll see soon more aggressive actions by the Americans. Gratulation China!

The writer of the article in your original post is a columnist. He does not hold a government position. His views are worthless. There are a zillion pundits in the United States writing garbage.

To avoid wasting everyone's time and cluttering up the forum, you should quote Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

She said: "The United States has no territorial claims in the South China Sea and will remain neutral."

Neutrality is OFFICIAL U.S. government policy. All claims to the contrary are garbage. It is that simple.
 
Analysis: US dilemma in South China Sea response
July 30, 2012 8:04 PM - Matthew Pennington


WASHINGTON — China has heightened tensions in the South China Sea with its new, remote island city and planned military garrison in a contested area viewed as a potential flashpoint for conflict in the Asia-Pacific.


How might the United States respond?

Criticize Beijing too strongly and the Obama administration will strain its relationship with the emerging superpower. Let it pass and undermine two years of intense diplomacy that has promoted the U.S. standing among Southeast Asian nations that are intimidated by China's rise.

A key plank of the administration's engagement in the Asia-Pacific since 2010 has been its declaration of a U.S. national interest in the maintenance of peace and stability in the South China Sea, where China and five of its neighbors — most notably the Philippines and Vietnam — have competing territorial claims.

But tensions have only escalated. China's raising of the flag this week at Sansha municipality, on tiny Yongxing island, 220 miles from its southernmost province of Hainan, come as claimants jockey for influence in the resource-rich region.

China will not be able to project much military power from such a small outpost, with a population of just 1,000 people and scarcely room for an airstrip, but it has symbolic importance. Beijing says the municipality will administer hundreds of thousands of square miles of water where it wants to strengthen its control over disputed, and potentially oil-rich, islands.

In Washington, lawmakers interested in Asia policy have been quick to respond.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called the move provocative and said it reinforced worries that China would attempt to impose its territorial claims through intimidation and coercion. Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., said China's attempt to assert control of disputed territories may be a violation of international law.

While the State Department was careful in its reaction, it also criticized China's "unilateral moves."

"I think there is a concern here, that they are beginning to take actions when we want to see all of these issues resolved at the table," spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Thursday.

President Barack Obama will not want to appear soft on China as he fights for re-election against Republican contender Mitt Romney. Romney has accused the incumbent of being weak on Beijing and has pledged to get tough, in particular, on China's trading practices.

The U.S. is walking a fine line in its diplomacy on the South China Sea, always stressing it does not take a position on the competing sovereignty claims.

Defining it as a U.S. national interest in 2010 helped galvanize Washington's standing in the region, revive ties with treaty ally the Philippines and build a relationship with former enemy Vietnam.

As part of its broader push, or "pivot," toward Asia, the U.S. elevated its engagement with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, or ASEAN. Also, the Obama administration strongly supports the 10-nation bloc's efforts to negotiate collectively with China on the issue and draft a code of conduct to help manage South China Sea disputes.

That's annoyed China, which claims virtually the entire South China Sea and its island groups and would prefer to negotiate with the other claimants individually. Beijing also views U.S. intervention on the issue as encouraging Vietnam and the Philippines to be more confrontational in asserting their own claims.

When Chinese fishing boats were stopped by the Philippine vessels at the disputed Scarborough Shoal in April, inside what Manila regards as its exclusive economic zone, it deployed a navy ship, supplied by the U.S. the previous year. That led China to send more vessels of its own, escalating a standoff that rumbles on.

The establishment of Sansha municipality in another portion of the South China Sea follows Vietnam's passage of a law in June stating its jurisdiction over the Paracel and Spratly Island chains and declaring that all foreign naval ships entering these areas must notify Vietnamese authorities.

The chance of such disputes spiraling into a major conflict still appears slim, but the stakes could rise in the years ahead as competition intensifies for the oil and gas resources in the South China Sea.

The U.S. strategy for managing and eventually resolving these disputes largely hangs on the efforts of ASEAN. The organization has made some progress in drafting a code of conduct, but there's no sign of a lasting resolution of territorial disputes, and the South China Sea is emerging as a divisive issue in a grouping that prizes its unity.

For the first time in its 45-year history, ASEAN failed to issue at communique at an annual meeting of its 10 foreign ministers this month. The host country, Cambodia, viewed as pro-Beijing, rejected a proposal by the Philippines and Vietnam to mention their separate territorial disputes with China in the statement.

In a damage-limitation move, Indonesia brokered a compromise last week. But it's one that will do little to assuage concerns of a rift within the grouping and a narrative that the Obama administration will be anxious to avoid — that the struggle over the South China Sea pits the strategic interests of the U.S. against China.

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Matthew Pennington covers U.S.-Asian affairs for The Associated Press in Washington.
Analysis: US dilemma in South China Sea response - CBS News
 
US warns vs 'divide and conquer' in S. China Sea
Reuters
Posted at 08/15/2012 9:41 AM | Updated as of 08/15/2012 9:41 AM

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State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland

WASHINGTON - The United States on Tuesday warned against any attempt to "divide and conquer" in the tense South China Sea, and voiced hope that Beijing and Southeast Asian nations would reach an accord this year.

Several Southeast Asian nations have accused China of aggravating friction in the South China Sea, but foreign ministers from the 10-nation ASEAN bloc failed at a meeting last month to reach an agreement on the way forward.

China, which claims sovereignty over virtually the entire sea, has favored individual talks with each nation over disputes.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland reiterated that the United States preferred a deal that included every country with claims in the South China Sea.

"An effort to divide and conquer and end up with a competitive situation among the different claimants is not going to get where we need to go," Nuland told reporters, without explicitly naming China.

"What we're most concerned about at the moment is that tensions are going up among the stakeholders. So we want to see a commitment to a deal that meets the needs of all," she said.

The United States has been pushing for a code of conduct in the South China Sea that would set up formal channels to resolve friction and prevent miscalculations in the waters through which half of the world's cargo passes.

But ASEAN, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, is divided. The Philippines and Vietnam are strongly critical of China but Cambodia, the host of the July talks of foreign ministers, has close relations with Beijing.

Attending the talks in Phnom Penh, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton encouraged China and ASEAN "to work together on a code of conduct and for all of them to commit as soon as they can -- to do that work and ideally to do it this year," Nuland said Tuesday.

Nuland was reacting to a commentary by China's state-run news agency, Xinhua, which denied charges that Beijing was sowing division in Southeast Asia and hit back hard at "some Western countries."

"What in fact is blocking unity within ASEAN and between its allies is the meddling of some Western countries that are betting on a divided Asia. They loathe to see Asia's incredible economic vitality while their economies are waning, as is their influence in the world," Xinhua said.

President Barack Obama has vowed a renewed US focus on Asia. The United States has sought to reassure US-friendly Asian nations through its military presence and plans to shift the bulk of its naval fleet to Asia by 2020.
Clinton, on a visit to Vietnam in 2010, declared that the United States had a national interest in freedom of navigation in the South China Sea.

On August 3, the State Department again voiced concern as it accused China of risking an escalation of tensions by establishing the tiny city of Sansha and a military garrison in the disputed Paracel chain.

In addition to China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan have sometimes overlapping claims to the South China Sea. China's Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi recently visited Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia. In Jakarta, he said that Beijing was willing to work to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.

US warns vs 'divide and conquer' in S. China Sea | ABS-CBN News
 
The U.S. Americans are losing patience with the Chinese. They feel betrayed after years of fruitless talks.
I think we'll see soon more aggressive actions by the Americans. Gratulation China!

US first lost patience in Korea War, then lost patience in Vietnam War. If the 1% of US are as fool as some internet Vietnamese and loose patience again, who can predict?

Anyone? (excluding brain-less "Korean" and most history-less internet Vietnamese :lol: )

US warns vs 'divide and conquer' in S. China Sea
Reuters
Posted at 08/15/2012 9:41 AM | Updated as of 08/15/2012 9:41 AM

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Divide whom and conquer whom?

Divide SCS trouble makers such as Vietnam and the Philippines, sure.

Does China need to conquer Laos, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc? No.

Does China want to suppress the fever that is disturbing SCS tranquility from Vietnam and the Philippines? Yes.

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To internet Vietnamese:

Please don't image your Vietnamese is a big deal in US chessboard. Nay, nay, nay.

In US, the biggest deal is always Europe-US relationship. The second is Sino-US relationship.

I'm sorry, but Vietnam is only a tool to be used/leveraged by the US, a tool can be trashed at any time.

In Sino-US relationship, per the topic, Vietnam's role has already been defined, and has been well defined, since French withdrawal from Indo-China peninsular.
 
US first lost patience in Korea War, then lost patience in Vietnam War. If the 1% of US are as fool as some internet Vietnamese and loose patience again, who can predict?

Anyone? (excluding brain-less "Korean" and most history-less internet Vietnamese :lol: )

Divide whom and conquer whom?

Divide SCS trouble makers such as Vietnam and the Philippines, sure.

Does China need to conquer Laos, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc? No.

Does China want to suppress the fever that is disturbing SCS tranquility from Vietnam and the Philippines? Yes.

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To internet Vietnamese:

Please don't image your Vietnamese is a big deal in US chessboard. Nay, nay, nay.

In US, the biggest deal is always Europe-US relationship. The second is Sino-US relationship.

I'm sorry, but Vietnam is only a tool to be used/leveraged by the US, a tool can be trashed at any time.

In Sino-US relationship, per the topic, Vietnam's role has already been defined, and has been well defined, since French withdrawal from Indo-China peninsular.

Oh Oh! Seems like no one really supports China's claim except of course... the Chinese! Ha!

His next post probably about their 2000 year history or a youtube video of a Chinese military hardware. Bets Up!
 
Oh Oh! Seems like no one really supports China's claim except of course... the Chinese! Ha!

His next post probably about their 2000 year history or a youtube video of a Chinese military hardware. Bets Up!

I know some uneducated body is allergic to facts.

Skin rash? Dizziness?

:lol:
 
Dont beg us to buy your bananas then come back and talk big :rofl:
We didnt beg. Humiliate me when you can post any article that will say we begged. You're just one market. Not the ONLY market for bananas. And besides, our economy is growing even when you put economic sanctions on us.

Beg the Americans to reelect Obama.
 

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