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How can we get rid of the Feudal Lords of Pakistan?

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The feudals of Pakistan are one of the greatest threats to our economy, probably the biggest.

They hold position in politics, government, and own acres upon acres of land.

Many of them are greedy and corrupt, and in a way establish mini-kingdoms in rural Pakistan.

In order to achieve a more economically sound Pakistan, these feudals must be eliminated... How do we go about doing such a thing?

Pakistan's Modern Feudal Lords

By John Lancaster

This article can be used with Land and Freedom Economics Lesson 19 on the Economics of Developing Countries, and US History Lesson 10, on the Anti-rent Riots.

NEW JATOI, Pakistan -- Ghulam Murtaza Jatoi steered his four-wheel-drive Toyota down a rutted dirt track and stopped a few feet from the edge of the mighty Indus River. Behind him stretched thousands of acres of family land. In front of him, on the river's opposite shore, stretched... thousands of acres of family land.

He honked his horn and a fisherman came running. A few minutes later, the Toyota was balanced precariously on planks laid across the thwarts of a rickety wooden boat. As Jatoi sat regally in the driver's seat, the fisherman sculled him to the other side.

The feudal lord then resumed his property tour.

Jatoi, 43, is a proud member of Pakistan's feudal class, a diminished but not yet dying breed that still wields strong influence over the society and politics of this youthful, impoverished nation of 142 million. A former provincial and national legislator, Jatoi remains the undisputed political boss in this rural part of Sind province, where his family owns 30,000 acres of prime agricultural land.

From his manicured, well-guarded compound here, Jatoi oversees the cultivation of crops, adjudicates civil and criminal cases and generally serves as patron to thousands of villagers, many of whom work on Jatoi lands as sharecroppers in a pattern that has persisted for more than two centuries.

His is a life both modern and medieval. A burly, plain-spoken man with a dry wit, Jatoi summers in London and the English countryside, shoots wild boar in the woods around his hunting lodge and tools around family lands with a Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine gun at his side.

"Traditions are still there which have not died down," he said, adding of the people in the area, "They respect us. It's very kind of them."

Some development experts say the system that Jatoi represents is as exploitive as it is paternalistic, trapping many sharecroppers -- who borrow from landlords to pay for seed and fertilizer -- in a form of indentured servitude. In a recent report, the World Bank cited land inequality as a primary cause of rural poverty in Pakistan, with 44 percent of the country's farmland controlled by just 2 percent of rural households. Some estimates put the number of major landed families at just 5,000.

Jatoi, who spent two years at San Jacinto College in Texas, describes the criticism as unfair. "What have we done?" he asked. "I think we have had a positive role in rural society. We have got the roads made, the schools made, the hospitals made."

Rooted in tribal loyalties and tradition, the feudal system in Sind and other parts of the land now known as Pakistan reached full flower in the 19th century, when British colonial officials conferred judicial and administrative powers on prominent Muslim landlords.

Since the birth of Pakistan in 1947, successive military and civilian governments have tried with little success to redress the land imbalance. As a result, in some rural areas, feudal lords -- known as waderas, sardars or khans, depending on their place in the tribal and landholding hierarchy -- continue to wield more power than civil authorities. A few even run their own jails.

With a natural constituent base among tribal followers and tenants, the feudal landlords moved easily into politics after independence, dominating provincial and national assemblies while building alliances with the all-powerful military. Although their grip on political life has loosened in recent years, they remain a potent force in Pakistan's newly reconstituted parliament; last month, Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali, who is from a feudal family in Baluchistan province, announced that there would be no land reform on his watch.

By all accounts, the feudal landlords no longer wield the kind of clout they did in the 19th century, or even 40 years ago. The transfer of land from one generation to the next has diluted family holdings. The rise of a new class of industrialists and commercial real estate barons has encroached on feudal economic power. The military, meanwhile, has acquired its own vast landholdings, according to Aasim Sajjad Akhtar, a Yale-educated economist and land-reform advocate in Islamabad.

Perhaps most important are the modernizing forces of education and mass media. Villagers who once voted for the local land baron because they were told to do so now expect things like schools, roads and health clinics in return.

"It's just a myth that the because of the landholding you always win," said Jatoi, the son of a former prime minister, who was disqualified from running in the last national elections because of a new rule that candidates must hold four-year college degrees (he never graduated). "It's based on performance."

To adapt to a changing world, the feudal class has sought to diversify, investing in businesses such as textile mills and preparing its offspring for professional careers by sending them abroad to study.

Tashfin Baloch, for example, is the scion of a prominent feudal family who studied political science at Colgate University in Hamilton, New York, interned at the World Health Organization in Geneva and lived for a time in Australia. Along the way, he acquired a taste for rap and hip hop, a shaved head and a dream to one day open a nightclub in Spain .

"I'm looked at like I'm a freak of nature," Baloch, 27, said over lunch recently at the Serena Hotel in Islamabad. "People can't believe I'm my father's son."

But old habits die hard. Despite his evident thirst for things Western, Baloch has come back to Pakistan, at least for now, to help manage his father's business interests. "The standard of living here you can't get anywhere else in the world," explained Baloch, who calls the feudal system "very enticing," at least for those who run it.

"All the servants in my house came from my aunt's village, and their grandfathers worked for my family," he said. A similar pattern holds in and around New Jatoi, a sun-baked farm village about 120 miles northeast of Karachi, where the family that gave the town its name has run things more or less continuously since its arrival in the area in 1740, according to Jatoi.

The Jatois initially drew their authority from provincial tribal rulers. In return for 120,000 acres of prime farmland, the family enforced the law and collected taxes over an area of roughly 200 square miles -- a writ that was extended and strengthened under British rule.

Since independence, the family's holdings have shrunk by three-fourths -- a land reform initiative in 1958 took 45,000 acres -- but its influence remains strong. It commands the allegiance of 400 to 500 lesser landlords as well as 1,200 armed "loyalists," according to Jatoi, whose status as eldest son entitles him to the exalted status of khan. Perhaps more important, the family runs its own political party and is represented in both the national and provincial legislatures.

"Basically, we are born rulers in one way or another, so to retain power, this is the only way," said Jatoi, who has a brother in the upper house of Parliament.

A day and a half in his company provided ample evidence that the trappings of feudalism remain very much intact. With a home in Karachi, where his wife and four children live, Jatoi spends alternate weeks at Jatoi House, a gracious, single-story brick home that his forebears built next to the family mosque in 1931.

Touring the family lands, Jatoi stopped first at the home of an uncle, a big-game hunter who keeps his property stocked with deer, peacocks and crocodiles. Next door, another uncle is building a 20,000-square-foot mansion surrounded by a massive turreted wall intended as protection against dacoits, as bandits are known .

After crossing the Indus, Jatoi piloted his Toyota through fields of bananas and wheat before arriving at dusk at his hunting lodge, where servants had prepared a lavish meal. Sitting on his terrace that night, Jatoi acknowledged, a touch wistfully, that the life he has known is probably unsustainable for the long term. His personal holdings are down to 2,000 acres, and -- despite the prime minister's recent pledge -- fear of land reform keeps him from buying more.

"Probably my sons will have 500 acres," he said. "I think about what privilege I have had, the influence I have had with the people. Maybe my sons will not have that."

link: Pakistan's Modern Feudal Lords
 
do what india did at partition same thing we should have done major land reforms break it up these feudal thugs have too much.
 
Two ways to do it:

1) Through Revolution: Arrest the feudal mafia and ban them from politics (or do what Mao did, kill 'em all lol)


2) Land reforms AND educate the masses. This will bring a systemic change over 20-40 years as people will know their rights and learn to fight for them
 
---In 1912,the Chinese democracy revolutionary leader Sun Zhongshan created a way to solve feudal lords problem.
---The feudal lords must measure the price of their land and provid this number to goverment. The gov will harvest tax as the value of land. If a land lord who think his land is expensive, he must hand in more tax. So most of the land lords wouldn't say that their land is expensive. The goverment have right to buy the land lords' land as the value which was provided by the land lords. So land lords want to provide a higher price of their land, but they must hand more tax at the same time. This contradition make the land lords provide the true value of their land to the goverment. As a result, goveriment needn't to pay more money to by the land lords land. By this way, the land of one country will be owned by the goveriment,not owned by the feudal lords.
 
It is Impossible to even make a dent in feudal system in Pakistan.
 
The feudals of Pakistan are one of the greatest threats to our economy, probably the biggest.

They hold position in politics, government, and own acres upon acres of land.

Many of them are greedy and corrupt, and in a way establish mini-kingdoms in rural Pakistan.

In order to achieve a more economically sound Pakistan, these feudals must be eliminated... How do we go about doing such a thing?



link: Pakistan's Modern Feudal Lords

Education......and only education
 
A lot of people here are advocating education to solve this problem. While i agree, im not sure what kind of 'education' would solve this problem, after all, it could still lead to an educated group of greedy landowners.

Bottom line is, many of these fools did not earn the right to have that land, so land reforms are needed.

How do you think these would affect the current situation.

Increased taxation on large plots of land, the more land you have, the more tax you have to pay.

We have some parts of the country with very high population densities, others, not so much. These guys have huge swathes of land sitting idle. 'Colonise' these lands, and inspire enterprise within the new population so that they farm, establish links with other towns etc.

Put pressure on these people to use their land productively, or else remove the lands from their possesion. What use are 1000 hectares of land if there is nothing productive going on. State run farms, private farms could be built on the lands with agricultural potential, as well as many other money generating industries.

Many of these people did not earn the land lawfuly and legally. Find the legal basis to remove the lands from their possesion and give them the middle finger.
 
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A lot of people here are advocating education to solve this problem. While i agree, im not sure what kind of 'education' would solve this problem, after all, it could still lead to an educated group of greedy landowners.

Bottom line is, many of these fools did not earn the right to have that land, so land reforms are needed.

How do you think these would affect the current situation.

Increased taxation on large plots of land, the more land you have, the more tax you have to pay.

We have some parts of the country with very high population densities, others, not so much. These guys have huge swathes of land sitting idle. 'Colonise' these lands, and inspire enterprise within the new population so that they farm, establish links with other towns etc.

Put pressure on these people to use their land productively, or else remove the lands from their possesion. What use are 1000 hectares of land if there is nothing productive going on. State run farms, private farms could be built on the lands with agricultural potential, as well as many other money generating industries.

Many of these people did not earn the land lawfuly and legally. Find the legal basis to remove the lands from their possesion and give them the middle finger.

we are not living Eutopia......These Landlords make up the majority of our houses of administration i.e. PA,NA and senate so they wont let this happen...We need to educate people so that they become independent from them. Like in Panjab where the Chaudry culture is dying due to increasing education rate...so education is the best solution IMHO unless we dont get our people out of their dependence, we will continue to see them in houses and no land reforms and stuff will be possible
 
put them in one line and shoot them all.. thats what enough is enough already. poor pakistanis r their slaves..
 
Three word's APPLY SHARIA LAW'S.

And who will become ameer ul momineen... nawaz raiwindia?

Its not as simple as it may seem. As if inequality, injustice, rape, murder, feudalism will magically vanish the next second sharia is applied.

Though we will have fatwas of jihad against everyone the very next moment. Cut off the head of who dont agree with you. Stone somebody to death out of court.

We as muslims are fond of imagining utopias.
 
And who will become ameer ul momineen... nawaz raiwindia?

Its not as simple as it may seem. As if inequality, injustice, rape, murder, feudalism will magically vanish the next second sharia is applied.

Though we will have fatwas of jihad against everyone the very next moment. Cut off the head of who dont agree with you. Stone somebody to death out of court.

We as muslims are fond of imagining utopias.

Who will become ameer ul momineen, the one best in manner's and knowlege in Quran and sunnah.

Islam came to end feudalism in the first place.

We muslim's have to go back to basic's of our religion to get the answer's.

We must follow Sirat-e- mustaqeem any other path is devil's path.

The ironny of today's muslim's is they look every where for the solution's of there problems.

But they hardly see solution book Quran, which is right under there nose.

When muslim's were in touch with Quran, they ruled the world.

The time they left it on the shelf to collect dust, they were doomed.

Call it imagining utopia's or what ever but that's the truth.

So wake up before its too late brother.
 
Who will become ameer ul momineen, the one best in manner's and knowlege in Quran and sunnah.

With everyone giving fatwas after 2 years of studying jurisprudence, I think any one can apply for that title no?

Islam came to end feudalism in the first place.

Agree with that. Justice and equality for all.

We muslim's have to go back to basic's of our religion to get the answer's.

Will we...? Not until we have killed the guy with a different opinion.

We must follow Sirat-e- mustaqeem any other path is devil's path.

What is Sirat-e-mustaqeem... elaborate?

The ironny of today's muslim's is they look every where for the solution's of there problems.
But they hardly see solution book Quran, which is right under there nose.

Oh but we do, twisting the word of Allah to suit our own fascist agendas.

When muslim's were in touch with Quran, they ruled the world.
The time they left it on the shelf to collect dust, they were doomed.

Saudi's are the most in touch with Quran arent they? They dont have Allahs word gathering dust on shelves; wonder why they aren't ruling the earth now?

Call it imagining utopia's or what ever but that's the truth.
So wake up before its too late brother.

Truth is that since the death of the Prophet SAW, muslims have been divided into more than 72 sects; each and everyone bent on slitting the others throat. Civil wars right after the death of the Prophet SAW and what not. If muslims could not be united then, they cannot be united now.
 

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