Guns of Pakistan

[forcetrip]

Well in that case I beg everyone's leave. I do not think I am brave enough to operate our local beauties.

 

[RiazHaq]

Pakistan has a long history of arms manufacturing as a cottage industry. The dusty little town of Darra Adam Khel,only a half-hour drive from Peshawar, reminds visitors of America's Wild West. The craftsmen of this town are manufacturers and suppliers of small arms to the tribal residents of the nation's Federally Administered Tribal Areas who carry weapons as part of their ancient culture. The skilled craftsmen of FATA make revolvers, automatic pistols, shotguns and AK-47 rifles. Until five years ago, the list also had items such as anti-personnel mines, sub-machine guns, small cannons and even rocket launchers. Pakistani government has forced the tribesmen to stop making heavy assault weapons to try and prevent the Taliban and Al Qaeda from getting access to such weapons.

Pakistan Ordnance Factory makes highly sophisticated high-tech guns like POF Eye which is capable of shooting around corners and launching grenades in urban combat.

Haq's Musings: Pakistan's Defense Industry Going High Tech

 

[Thorough Pro]

Sorry Pak (Darra) made guns can't match with indian made guns in quality and asthetics......

Wow! Man that list without pictures is like the roster list of a Victoria's Secret catwalk.

But actually what you have listed are all firang guns. Impressive nonetheless but not what really impressed me.

See this is what we make here in the villages in India, variously called katta, ghoda, tamancha, etc. :

This is the variety (country made guns) I was talking about.

 

[Fazlu]

Sorry Pak (Darra) made guns can't match with indian made guns in quality and asthetics......

In India it is next to impossible for civilians to possess guns.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Here you go.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/07/2012733533804139.html

http://khyberarms.wetpaint.com/

 

[Leader]

Yes, exactly the same. I had to sell it when I came back because it was too much of a hassle trying to obtain a license for a sniper rifle in Islamabad.
Right now I own:

1) 2x AMD-65
2) 1x Ceska Brno Shotgun
3) 2x Hatsan Escort Semi Automatic Shotguns
4) 1x Baikal Shotgun (Model written in Russian)
5) 1x Norinco CF-98
6) 1x Taurus PT-92
7) 2x Astra Fircats
8) 1x Remington 1100 Shotgun
Previously Owned:

1) Saiga 12 Shotgun
2) Walther G22
3) AK-104
4) RPK-74
5) Winchester Defender

And I dont even have a water pistol

 

[harpoon]

Yes, exactly the same. I had to sell it when I came back because it was too much of a hassle trying to obtain a license for a sniper rifle in Islamabad.
Right now I own:

1) 2x AMD-65
2) 1x Ceska Brno Shotgun
3) 2x Hatsan Escort Semi Automatic Shotguns
4) 1x Baikal Shotgun (Model written in Russian)
5) 1x Norinco CF-98
6) 1x Taurus PT-92
7) 2x Astra Fircats
8) 1x Remington 1100 Shotgun
Previously Owned:

1) Saiga 12 Shotgun
2) Walther G22
3) AK-104
4) RPK-74
5) Winchester Defender

There was a discussion in another thread about how superior is Pakistan Police armed when compared to Indian Police. With mini armories like this in possession of Pakistani Civilians, its just logical that Pakistan Police gets armed with atleast an AK 47.

And I dont even have a water pistol

It seems you are the exception and not rule when it comes to Pakistanis owning guns in this forum.

 

[forcetrip]

If anyone has any info on local blade makers that would be great. Some nice steel without that import price.

 

[angeldust]

I feel that the posts above, though very interesting, are not what this thread is about. The OP wants to compare desi weapons.

If you guys have seen the film "Gangs of Wasseypur" , it shows how the tamancha maker warns against using bicycle frame tubes and asks for truck steering rods for making his guns. Still they keep blowing up!

Yeah you are right actually - that;s why I named the thread Guns of Pakistan.

The guns I saw in the documentary looked so original, that I was left wondering at the huge talent and potential there is in such poor iliterate untrained people working in such basic surroundings with such archaic techology and tools (look at the lathes and vices and drills man ..... they are using their hands to grind and polish the surfaces that come out all blued like the originals). Mind boggling.

Any other country in the world, these guys would be highly paid artisans or shp floor managers in huge factories. Take our mechanics for example. The anna who repairs punctures. Or the guy who trues wheel rims and spokes.

Here we pay 50 bucks for a puncture. 80 bucks for a rim out. Spoked ("laced") wheels are high art and cost a bomb to balance abroad. A couple of biker friends from Australia were psyched at how good our guys were and how little we payed them.

Pakistan has a long history of arms manufacturing as a cottage industry. The dusty little town of Darra Adam Khel,only a half-hour drive from Peshawar, reminds visitors of America's Wild West. The craftsmen of this town are manufacturers and suppliers of small arms to the tribal residents of the nation's Federally Administered Tribal Areas who carry weapons as part of their ancient culture. The skilled craftsmen of FATA make revolvers, automatic pistols, shotguns and AK-47 rifles. Until five years ago, the list also had items such as anti-personnel mines, sub-machine guns, small cannons and even rocket launchers. Pakistani government has forced the tribesmen to stop making heavy assault weapons to try and prevent the Taliban and Al Qaeda from getting access to such weapons.

Thnks man. I was hoping you guys had some photos of the locally made guns. Or the process. I hear they make exact replicas of the ammo too. A package deal!

 

[Icarus]

ICARUS. Is HK-416 available in Pakistan yet , if so how much would it cost and where ?

I have
1X.Beretta 92fs
1X Beretta 12 gauge semi auto sports/hunting shotgun
1X Original Russian Ak-74
1X Chinese 222
2X Norinco TT .30

Craving to get my hands on the HK.416

I've got plenty of experience combing the Arms markets of Peshawar, Dir, Malakand and Bajaur. Never saw an HK-416. Seeing as an M-4 will set you back PKR 800,000. I'm guessing you'll get an HK-416 (If you find one) for about PKR 1.5 Million.

And I dont even have a water pistol

Have 3 of those too......lol

There was a discussion in another thread about how superior is Pakistan Police armed when compared to Indian Police. With mini armories like this in possession of Pakistani Civilians, its just logical that Pakistan Police gets armed with atleast an AK 47.



It seems you are the exception and not rule when it comes to Pakistanis owning guns in this forum.

Although most people have a pistol around them, having such a vast armoury is not everybody's game. Having the amount of firepower that I and Pakistani Nationalist pack is difficult because:

1) You need plenty of licenses for which you need friends in the civil services or you need to be a military man.
2) These arms make for plenty of tax, you need to be wealthy enough to pay thousands per license per annum.
3) You may be asked to justify the reason for those guns, exactly why I had to sell off my Dragunov.

Yeah you are right actually - that;s why I named the thread Guns of Pakistan.

The guns I saw in the documentary looked so original, that I was left wondering at the huge talent and potential there is in such poor iliterate untrained people working in such basic surroundings with such archaic techology and tools (look at the lathes and vices and drills man ..... they are using their hands to grind and polish the surfaces that come out all blued like the originals). Mind boggling.

Any other country in the world, these guys would be highly paid artisans or shp floor managers in huge factories. Take our mechanics for example. The anna who repairs punctures. Or the guy who trues wheel rims and spokes.

Here we pay 50 bucks for a puncture. 80 bucks for a rim out. Spoked ("laced") wheels are high art and cost a bomb to balance abroad. A couple of biker friends from Australia were psyched at how good our guys were and how little we payed them.

The point here is that Darra guns are not a special breed of gun like the Indian Katta which is unique in it's making. Darra guns are very detailed clone of other more popular clones. I had a friend who bought a desert eagle from Darra for PKR 5000, he compared it with an original and found that there was absolutely no way you could tell the two apart!

Dara made M-4s:

Ack-Ack Anyone?

Visitors catch the Dara Fever, the chap at your right has never held a pistol before in his life.

Handmade Ammo:

Meticulous Handiwork:

 

[angeldust]

The point here is that Darra guns are not a special breed of gun like the Indian Katta which is unique in it's making. Darra guns are very detailed clone of other more popular clones. I had a friend who bought a desert eagle from Darra for PKR 5000, he compared it with an original and found that there was absolutely no way you could tell the two apart!

Thanks for the photos Icarus (can't find the Thank button on your post) .... amazing!

That itself is an art. A gun is a pretty complicated thing when compared to a knife, and even the best copies of the Swiss Army Knife (Victorinox) have not yet been able to copy their trademark "click" when you shut it.

Do these also work as good as the originals? From what you said earlier, and forcetrip's reluctance, apparently not.

Darra 9 mm "Killer"

 

[harpoon]

How about quality? Does Darra guns works at par with the originals.

 

[Icarus]

Thanks for the photos Icarus (can't find the Thank button on your post) .... amazing!

That itself is an art. A gun is a pretty complicated thing when compared to a knife, and even the best copies of the Swiss Army Knife (Victorinox) have not yet been able to copy their trademark "click" when you shut it.

Do these also work as good as the originals? From what you said earlier, and forcetrip's reluctance, apparently not.

Darra 9 mm "Killer"

They work well enough but will have a shorter service life than the originals. However, even my original CZ-100 was shooting two inches south-east after 2 years of active war, so I guess it just has to do with wearing of the gun's mechanism. For PKR 5000 however, the gun is easily replaceable and the repairs are dirt cheap. Imagine PKR 1200 for a new slide on a Dara TT!

 

[forcetrip]

The amount of FTE's and FTF's are just mind boggling.. They look extremely good .. Some of them you couldn't tell the difference between an original and a local. Once you pop that spring and roam your hand on the parts even a blind guy would point out the right one. But to be honest, they arnt that bad. They work and are reliable according to their price.

 

[JonAsad]

As a matter of general knowledge Pakistani civilians own 80 million weapons.

that saves us even from the amrikans -