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France starts ban on full-face veil

Germany is already having problems with multiculturalism.
I think this is a move to dissuade immigrants from coming to France.
 
well we saw what happened to those Roma people........

nationalism is rising again in the EU, and not always the "good nationalism" when you have right-wingers doing what they can to win some votes
 
well we saw what happened to those Roma people........

nationalism is rising again in the EU, and not always the "good nationalism" when you have right-wingers doing what they can to win some votes

Blame other is easy, but looking at themselves is hard.
 
Who’s afraid of the veil?
Posted on April 15, 2011 by
By AIJAZ ZAKA SYED

A COLUMNIST should never tackle the same topic two weeks in a row, advice masters of the trade. So forgive me for ignoring this counsel and barging in headlong where we have been before — ad nauseam. But I couldn’t help myself when I came across this posting on Arab News online.


Taking part in the raging debate over the ban on the Muslim veil that came into force in Nicolas Sarkozy’s France this week, a reader who identifies herself as “a Muslimah” writes: “Time and time again in ‘free, democratic’ societies women are manipulated and taught to believe that their freedom is directly linked to the removal of their clothing. Such emphasis has never been placed on men though. It’s the removal of women’s clothing and NOT the choice to wear whatever they like that — women are brainwashed into believing — preserves their freedom as is evident from this (French) ban on veil.”

Her whole post deserves to be read by everyone and widely shared. But I have to round it off with her closing lines: “Yet those supporting the ban would have us believe Muslim women are the ones who are manipulated and suppressed. But it’s hardly surprising to see free societies ban women from covering their bodies. These are the nations in which women are used daily as mere commodities for buying and selling. The lands of the living Barbie dolls, where the daily objectification of women and young girls as sexual playthings has reached the mainstream. The female physique has become public property. Women must be on public display at all times.”

Need I add more? I am yet to come across a more fitting and right on-the-nose take on the issue. Perhaps only a Muslim woman could have spotlighted the absurdity and rank hypocrisy of this whole circus in the continent that takes pride on its image as the land of freedom and civil liberties.

In the land of Magna Carta, no eyebrows are raised if you go around in your birthday suit, go French kissing or get intimate in public. In fact, such actions only prove your liberal ethos and qualification to be part of Western societies. But you are a grave threat to peace and stability of the state the moment you cover your face. How ridiculous can you get?

Do the Europeans even realize the absurdity of their actions? Did President Sarkozy watch the scenes of French cops rounding and rouging up veiled women in nationwide crackdown even as head-to-toe fully clothed Christian nuns watched? This is why I believe this debate has more to do with politics, rather than religion.

This is not about individual freedoms, religious tolerance or Islam’s incompatibility with France or Europe. There are two issues at the heart of this conflict. First is old-fashioned politics. Even as Europe’s politicians, from Belgium to France and from Switzerland to Denmark, trumpet their liberal values and secular democratic credentials, they tap into the deep seated insecurities and paranoia of their Caucasian and Christian European populace for swift electoral gains or power.

So Sarkozy, hoping of re-election, not just comes up with this weird idea of banning the veil and punishing those refusing to take off the piece of cloth that is part of their religious beliefs, he presides over a national debate as to why Muslims cannot be part of the liberal and democratic French society.

His Interior Minister Claude Guéant, under fire for terming French campaign against Libya’s Qaddafi a new crusade, has gone to the extent of saying the problem is with “the growing numbers of Muslim population.”

In the Alpine paradise of Switzerland they have outlawed mosque minarets because they do not blend in a European skyline.

In Denmark, Holland and other Scandinavian countries, they have found another way of rejecting the Muslims — by targeting their sacred icons and beliefs, from caricaturing the Prophet (peace be upon him) to attacking the Qur’an in films and art.

Paradoxically, all this is done in the name of Europe’s liberal ethos and tolerance. So even as they pontificate to us about an individual’s freedom to say and do what he or she wants, they are targeting the very same freedom by forcing Muslim woman to take off the veil.

The second – and real — issue at the heart of this conflict is the white, predominantly Christian West’s deepening fear psychosis about Islam and the Muslims eventually running over and taking over the West and annihilating their entire civilization. Looked at it from their perspective, you would understand their insecurity and growing paranoia.

ON the one hand, their numbers are diminishing and not just in Europe. The continent that ruled the world for nearly four centuries is shrinking and aging fast. It is yet to recover from the destruction and depletion of its numbers during the World War I and II. To maintain its ascendancy, it needs a young population and lots of it. It’s precisely for this reason it has had to willy-nilly take in the growing numbers of immigrants from around the world, especially from those lands that it not long ago ruled. The new arrivals are heading to the West not merely because it offers greater economic opportunities and freedom, many of them are victims of the long years of colonization of Asia and Africa by European powers.

On the other hand, notwithstanding these compulsions, the West finds it difficult to reconcile itself to the reality of its changing demographic profile and what it sees as a cultural and intellectual invasion, especially from Islam and Muslims.

European pundits have long talked about Europe turning into Eurabia and London into Londonistan. While in the past few decades millions from Arab and Muslim lands have migrated to the West in search of a better life, Muslim ranks in the West have been expanding also because more and more white Europeans and Americans are turning to Islam for guidance and inspiration.

With excessive materialism and moral decay destroying family unit and society as a whole, more and more people are finding spiritual solace in Islam. So if the religion is the fastest growing in the world today despite a relentless global crusade against its followers, you know where to look for answers.

We need to look at this wave of Islamophobia, from burning the Qur’an to banning the veil, from this perspective. More important, Muslims must desist from responding to these bouts of bigotry with bigotry. Hatred cannot fight hatred. Only love and understanding can. As the Qur’an suggests, when faced with adversity, we must fight it with something that is better.

The current wave of Islamophobia is largely fueled by ignorance, myths and insecurities. You can counter it by promoting knowledge and true understanding of the faith that came not just for the Arabs but whole of mankind. Not an easy task by any means. We have no other choice though.

— Aijaz Zaka Syed is a widely published columnist based in the Gulf.

Write to him at aijaz.syed@hotmail.com
Courtesy: Arab News
 
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A rich Muslim man in France -Rachid Nekkaz- has put aside 1 million Euros and has vowed publically to use it to pay the fines for all those Muslim women in France who choose to hold on their burkas and niqaabs.







Rich Muslim vows to pay all French burka fines | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post

Stupid move in my opinion, next thing you know they ll make stricter punishments for repeat offenders.
 
its clear violation of religious freedom and human rights will erase europe image of tolarence
 
Stupid move in my opinion, next thing you know they ll make stricter punishments for repeat offenders.

If you believed you were fighting for freedom, would a few euros make that much of a difference?
 
If you believed you were fighting for freedom, would a few euros make that much of a difference?

Its not about money, I mean if this French government is willing to take on the whole Muslim world and the leftists, by bringing in this law, you think they won't introduce stricter punishments (other than fines) once they see repeat offenders?
 
A+ for effort and dedication :cheesy:

why not spend it for a social program or pay for the tuition of some poors

Oh come on Abu, France has put a ban on full-face veil and I support that, as it's their country and they've every right to force the laws - now in this case, it is his money and we should have no concern about it either.

Stupid move in my opinion, next thing you know they ll make stricter punishments for repeat offenders.

The guys name doesn't look like a Muslim one and that very likely might be the case of some right wing party etc wants to put a start to as what you suggested - punishments for repeat offenders.

Seriously, most of the Muslims living in europe or elsewhere are immigrants - if they can't follow their laws, they should move to an Islamic country. They love the world of Materialism but yet they wants to appease Allah SWT. So much to say for this hypocrisy and confusion.
 
It is about showing your face. If the other two also cover people faces in normal situation, the should be banned as well.

When they ban face masks and helmets in public, then the law will be equal. Until then it is discriminatory.

Show your face. Don't hide your identity when required. You are okay. Let's be sensitive to the security and the local majority population's sensitivities and fears.

Already debunked. It is not, and never has been, about security. It is simply because the French find the burqa 'offensive'.

As for your 'show your face' argument, why isn't France banning face masks in public?

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Another irresponsible, racist attack by whites against the culture of others.

That said, we have no right to criticize. Europe is the home of the whites. They can keep it as racist as they want. But in that case, they should be treated as rogue states the same way South Africa was.
 
Seriously, most of the Muslims living in europe or elsewhere are immigrants - if they can't follow their laws, they should move to an Islamic country. They love the world of Materialism but yet they wants to appease Allah SWT. So much to say for this hypocrisy and confusion.
Seriously you need to grow up if you think that peoples wo are living in western countries for study, visit and work should give up their identity or right to practice their beliefs for sake of staying there. They moved or setteled there after knowing that they will get these basic rights there. This ban is against their laws as many non muslims french are also against this ban

but i feel pity for you guys who consider it duty to impose your personal like or dislike on others.
 
perhaps you are mistaking individual interpretation with the religion itself. If you are a fact-finder, consider picking up a Quran and reading it.

it's available in over 123 languages

dont take my word for it...just read it.

In current world, the book of Quran won't do any harm to anyone. However, the enforcers of Quran are the ones who either benefit or harm people.

GOD, no matter derived from which religions, will not harm or benefit people directly. Those who worship him, believe him, interpret him, actually carry on the action.

The current stage of islam culture is way too much intolerant. The main problem is that the Quran readers/worshipers take violent actions in many cases while other religions won't do.

Maybe you should let your own religion believers to go back to read Quran again and see what is the real message of your GOD. Has your GOD instruct his believers to kill whoever burn the book of Quran?
 
Then the French government should increase the fine so as to bankrupt that guy or whoever try to follow.

Such fanfare clearly demonstrates his male dominating ego within the religion.

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A rich Muslim man in France -Rachid Nekkaz- has put aside 1 million Euros and has vowed publically to use it to pay the fines for all those Muslim women in France who choose to hold on their burkas and niqaabs.

Rich Muslim vows to pay all French burka fines | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post
 
no; maybe you should just word your response differently. Every religious group has bad apples. Islam may have some adherents who are intolerant. Kind of like there are intolerant Jews, Christians, hindu, etc.

you seem fixated on Islam so im not sure if u have agenda or whether you are being genuine....not that it affects me at all
 

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