F-60 / J-31 stealth fighter aircraft for Pakistan Air Force?

[somebozo]

one word.photochop of very poor quality

 

[alimobin memon]

one word.photochop of very poor quality

Yea like u chopped the Shop hahaha

 

[Icewolf]

Why would PN not buy the J 11 B's? Is it coz of the price?

No need of aircraft carriers.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Speculative post , its not even in Chinese airforce

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Why would PN not buy the J 11 B's? Is it coz of the price?

For pak Navy. We have aircraft carrier??
Even if inducted it will be under PAF not navy.

 

[Windjammer]

For pak Navy. We have aircraft carrier??
Even if inducted it will be under PAF not navy.

You don't necessarily need an aircraft carrier to have Naval Jet strike element.
We do have a Naval Air Wing, equipped with P-3 Orions, Atlantique and F-27 Maritime aircraft as well as several rotary types, which operate from shore bases. There was even news that Maritime strike Mirages may be passed over to the Naval wing.

 

[fatman17]

You don't necessarily need an aircraft carrier to have Naval Jet strike element.
We do have a Naval Air Wing, equipped with P-3 Orions, Atlantique and F-27 Maritime aircraft as well as several rotary types, which operate from shore bases. There was even news that Maritime strike Mirages may be passed over to the Naval wing.

this idea was discussed by students at the NDU and presented to the top brass but was rejected.

 

[IceCold]

finances I think

we already got JF-17 and J-10 going for a third one might not leave much resources to spare.
and also think what role will it play?

JF-17 being the backbone replacing mirages , A5s and F7PGs jack of all trade, air strike, CAP etc.
J-10 together with F-16 .. yet again... Multirole .. intercept, SEAD, escort, CAP and strike roles beyond JF-17s limits.

that pretty much fills everything/.. what is J-61/ F60 going to be? air superiority? replacement of JF-17 and J-10s?
first one is just starting induction, second one is still on paper in terms of what PAF wants.

F-16 or J21 might be something in the far far future. if I am not mistaken JF-17 and J-10s wont mature in our life time.

do correct me if its absurd what I say

J-10 will hardly offer anything over the JF-17 and the F-16. Payload yes but if you consider how many wet stations it has, then there isnt much difference between JF-17 and J-10. Your post is correct but replace F-60 with J-10 because its the J-10 that offers nothing of significant leap over both the F-16s and JF-17.

My take is this, scrap the J-10 deal, its not worth the time and get involved in one of the 5th generation projects with either chengdu or Shenyang even if we don't have much to contribute. Imagine the knowledge we would gain by becoming partners in a 5th generation project. PAF engineers are already working in Chengdu so joining one of their 5th generation projects make much more sense and our JF-17 can be used as a test bed for the technology being developed for 5th generation. This way we can be sure of two things:
1) Alot of technology will make its way to JF-17 making it a true 4.5th generation fighter
2) We will be able to induct a 5th generation fighter by 2020, meaning much quicker then our Indian counterparts giving us the edge we have lost for so long now.

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[turbo charged]

if we can make a JF-17 land on water then there will be no need for aircraft carrier....we can have one large destroyer carrying racks at its back with JF-17 tied to it and floating along with it.....taking off from water and landing on water is very much possible ...imo slight experimentation is needed.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

if we can make a JF-17 land on water then there will be no need for aircraft carrier....we can have one large destroyer carrying racks at its back with JF-17 tied to it and floating along with it.....taking off from water and landing on water is very much possible ...imo slight experimentation is needed.

I think it can't takeoff quickly from water. It has to cover lot of distance and times consuming process.
Where to hide weapons in Floating Planes??

Also it can't travel too long on sea as Aircraft carrier does but you will need Floating Sea refueler Object.

 

[SBD-3]

J-10 will hardly offer anything over the JF-17 and the F-16. Payload yes but if you consider how many wet stations it has, then there isnt much difference between JF-17 and J-10. Your post is correct but replace F-60 with J-10 because its the J-10 that offers nothing of significant leap over both the F-16s and JF-17.

My take is this, scrap the J-10 deal, its not worth the time and get involved in one of the 5th generation projects with either chengdu or Shenyang even if we don't have much to contribute. Imagine the knowledge we would gain by becoming partners in a 5th generation project. PAF engineers are already working in Chengdu so joining one of their 5th generation projects make much more sense and our JF-17 can be used as a test bed for the technology being developed for 5th generation. This way we can be sure of two things:
1) Alot of technology will make its way to JF-17 making it a true 4.5th generation fighter
2) We will be able to induct a 5th generation fighter by 2020, meaning much quicker then our Indian counterparts giving us the edge we have lost for so long now.

Why would there be a need when testing is already going on J-20? Simple solution is to buy an already existing concept than reworking from scratch.

if we can make a JF-17 land on water then there will be no need for aircraft carrier....we can have one large destroyer carrying racks at its back with JF-17 tied to it and floating along with it.....taking off from water and landing on water is very much possible ...imo slight experimentation is needed.

Very nice.

 

[Icarus]

if we can make a JF-17 land on water then there will be no need for aircraft carrier....we can have one large destroyer carrying racks at its back with JF-17 tied to it and floating along with it.....taking off from water and landing on water is very much possible ...imo slight experimentation is needed.

 

[Archie]

finances I think

we already got JF-17 and J-10 going for a third one might not leave much resources to spare.
and also think what role will it play?

JF-17 being the backbone replacing mirages , A5s and F7PGs jack of all trade, air strike, CAP etc.
J-10 together with F-16 .. yet again... Multirole .. intercept, SEAD, escort, CAP and strike roles beyond JF-17s limits.

that pretty much fills everything/.. what is J-61/ F60 going to be? air superiority? replacement of JF-17 and J-10s?
first one is just starting induction, second one is still on paper in terms of what PAF wants.

F-16 or J21 might be something in the far far future. if I am not mistaken JF-17 and J-10s wont mature in our life time.

do correct me if its absurd what I say

I think what it could mean is that J-21 could in future replace F-16A/B , not function side by side with F-16 , i mean we could probably see Blk 52 operating side by side with J-21 for like 5-10 yrs , but mainly I expect PAF to Purchase 60+ J-21 to replace F-16s between yr 2030-35

if I am not mistaken JF-17 and J-10s wont mature in our life time.

Dude How Old are you , it takes 7-10 yrs of full fledged service for a platform to fully integrate into an airforce , to say that JF-17, J-10 will not mature in your lifetimes means that you are 80 yrs old and on life support

 

[IceCold]

Why would there be a need when testing is already going on J-20? Simple solution is to buy an already existing concept than reworking from scratch.

Knowledge my friend. Most of the tech will be existing already being developed for J-20 but i am talking about the same principle on which the J-10 is being used as a test bed for J-20 and the amount of tech that will make its way from J-20 to J-10.

 

[Black Widow]

There is no point to comment on photo shopped images.