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Notwithstanding the dramatic images of a Coast Guard Chetak helicopter, rescuing stranded firemen atop Mumbai's Lotus Business Park, for the men in white, charged with India's maritime security, the scenario is that of an unending nightmare. And it concerns the helicopter fleet of the Indian Navy (IN) and the Indian Coast Guard (ICG). No sizeable acquisition in over a decade, an unforgiving procedure and the ghost of the AgustaWestland scandal have together ensured that the helicopters that these forces have been asked to make do with are rapidly dwindling, both in numbers and capabilities.


Such is the situation that when on Saturday, Defence Minister Arun Jaitley chairs his first meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) - Ministry of Defence's highest decision-making body, he is likely to find this flagged up, right at the top.

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Indian Navy
From protecting own ships to tracking and attacking enemy ships and submarines, the use of a helicopter for a war-fighting force can be overlooked only at the cost of compromising national security.

A senior naval officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity said, "The manner in which the navy and the MoD went about this in the past proves their clear lack of vision. Simply inducting more and more ships is not enough. How well are we enabling these ships is as important."

Investigation revealed the navy has a mess on its hands.

Modern platforms, often built at a staggering expense to the exchequer, are roaming the seas without helicopters onboard. Many warships, which have two hangars onboard are steaming past without even a single helicopter onboard. For instance, between the six Talwar class frigates, which include the recently inducted frigates Teg, Tarkash and Trikand, only three carry a helicopter. Some other frigates don't have even one helicopter between them. Coming to larger ships like the destroyers, one Kamov helicopter is being shared between five Rajput class ships. Remarked a senior naval officer, "The availability of helicopters is at 20 per cent of what it should be. We are sharing helicopters to ensure the show goes on. It is a tragic situation."

With a requirement of over 100 helicopters across different categories, and yet going nowhere, the navy's predicament is clear. Said an MoD official, "The Indian Navy had to get 16 choppers as a direct replacement for Seaking 42A helicopters which came with the INS Viraat in 1987 and were decommissioned by the end of the century. Categorised as 'Multi Role Helicopter' acquisition, it is yet to take off even today." Then there is the Naval Multi Role helicopter deal to replace the Chetaks which were first introduced into the Indian armed forces in the 60s, and the Naval Utility Helicopter deal. It is all hanging in balance.

At present, officers from the navy say, their MRH quest has landed them with two shortlisted probable vendors of which one has a 'link' to Finmeccanica, the parent company of AgustaWestland. "Though nobody will say so on paper, we have been asked to go slow on this," said a MoD official.

As for the NMRH, the navy shall soon float a Request For Information (RFI) whereas the NUH is not even there.

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Facts and figures
-Delhi class of destroyers can carry two helicopters.
-Kolkata class of frigates can carry two helicopters.
-Shivalik class, Betwa class and Godavari class of frigates can carry two helicopters.
-Landing Ship Tank (Large) can carry two helicopters.
-Talwar class of frigates can carry one helicopter.
-Offshore Patrol Vessels can carry one helicopter.
-INS Viraat can carry eight helicopters.
-INS Vikramaditya can carry 12 helicopters.
-However, only 20 per cent of the requirement of these ships is being met in terms of availability of helicopters.

Indian Coast Guard

"It is a crisis on a daily basis. After the Mumbai attacks we had hoped that government attention on coastal security would ensure our demands are met, little really has materialized," said a senior Coast Guard officer.


As per the charter of responsibilities, the ICG is responsible for saving lives within India's Exclusive Economic Zone which extends upto 200 nautical miles from anywhere along India's 7500 km long coastline, intercept and seize contraband, protect environment as well as thwart maritime terrorism. To do all of it, not even a single ship of this force today has an integrated helicopter flight - a concept which was once propagated for every single ship.

The biggest hurdle in doing its duty is its malnourished fleet of under 20 ageing Chetak helicopters and two Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) Dhruv both which are deployed solely at Porbandar to keep an eye on the International Maritime Border Line (IMBL) with Pakistan. Efforts of more than 15 years to acquire a modern helicopter have been reduced to nothing. To top it, on orders of the previous administration, ICG was asked to 'gift' one of its ALH helicopters to the Maldivian National Defence Forces (MNDF), last year.

Given this situation, the ICG has no option but to position merely one or two Chetaks at every air station. "Plus Chetaks being single engine helicopters, can't fly for too long," said a source. India, he said, would rank among the very few countries of the world where a maritime force is making do with a single engine helicopter. "You may not be aware but the DGCA norms do not allow a flight over water by single engine helicopter," he added.

"To patrol when a ship moves, the helicopter onboard is meant to fly around and enhance the reach and surveillance of the ship. If you take the helicopter out, a ship's capability drastically reduces," explained a senior MoD official.

On an immediate basis, the ICG requires 16 light helicopters, for which it has chosen the indigenous ALH Dhruv Mark III and hopes to get Jaitley's nod in the upcoming meet as well as 14 10-tonne plus, heavier helicopters, where its technical evaluation has zeroed down the scope between the European EC725 and American S90.

"For a while now, we have trained ourselves to ignore that our ship can even house a helicopter," a Commanding Officer of a Coast Guard ship said. "When terrorists struck Mumbai in 2008 and a frantic search was launched to track down the point of entry of the terrorists, it was a Coast Guard helicopter which located the ship, MV Kuber that they had hijacked. Hope the government doesn't forget that," he added.

Expert speak
Vice Admiral (Retd) AK Singh, ex-Director General, ICG

"Helicopters are extremely important for a ship to have, whether it is the IN or the ICG. What a modern day ship can achieve with a helicopter onboard is much more than what it can minus the helicopter. I do not believe that this problem came about because the services did not plan properly. It came about largely because of the kind of procedures we have in our country.

Amit Cowshish, former Financial Advisor (Acquisition), MoD
"It is not fair to simply say that the MoD or procedure fails to arm the services. In fact what many do not know is that the entire process of acquisition is largely driven by the services themselves. What happens is that the very often the Qualitative Requirements (QRs) framed are too unrealistic or the paper work has flaws and the project flops. Attempts made at introducing professional assistance to services in this department has been resisted by the services."



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Well the Navy and the CG got 16 Light Dhruv helos each. I hope that does some relief to them.... unfortunately it will take years until we see medium helos replacing the Sea Kings :/
 
Well the Navy and the CG got 16 Light Dhruv helos each. I hope that does some relief to them.... unfortunately it will take years until we see medium helos replacing the Sea Kings :/
This is a small step for the IN they will only be for shore based SAR (so not replacing the Chetaks or Sea Kings) and some good for the ICG in the SAR/maritime interdiction role but in both cases the internal fuel of the ALH is not sufficient for long range SAR missions or extended time on target that is why almost all SAR helos used in the world are medium class long endurance helos.



@Dillinger what were we just talking about?

Then there is the Naval Multi Role helicopter deal to replace the Chetaks which were first introduced into the Indian armed forces in the 60s, and the Naval Utility Helicopter deal. It is all hanging in balance.
At present, officers from the navy say, their MRH quest has landed them with two shortlisted probable vendors of which one has a 'link' to Finmeccanica, the parent company of AgustaWestland. "Though nobody will say so on paper, we have been asked to go slow on this," said a MoD official.
As for the NMRH, the navy shall soon float a Request For Information (RFI) whereas the NUH is not even there.
This doesn't make sense- how is the MRH deal separate to the NMRH deal? They are both to replace the Sea Kings, the NUH is to replace the Chetaks.
 
This is a small step for the IN they will only be for shore based SAR (so not replacing the Chetaks or Sea Kings) and some good for the ICG in the SAR/maritime interdiction role but in both cases the internal fuel of the ALH is not sufficient for long range SAR missions or extended time on target that is why almost all SAR helos used in the world are medium class long endurance helos.



@Dillinger what were we just talking about?


This doesn't make sense- how is the MRH deal separate to the NMRH deal? They are both to replace the Sea Kings, the NUH is to replace the Chetaks.

Had gone through the article earlier, nothing new.

No movement on the NMRH yet though ergo no ASW helos either.

FMS for S-70B should be the path taken.

Correct on the Dhruv's being shore based.
 
FMS for S-70B should be the path taken.
Agreed, the S-70B is the best product in its class would be a stellar addition to the IN, I can not stress enough how vital the embarked helo is on modern day warships especially top of the line destroyers,frigates and ASW corvettes. A lot has been made of the Kamorta and Kolkata being near induction and a lot of chest thumping has been done but when they are to fly with Cold war era helos exposing a HUGE gap in the ships' capabilities there is a lot to be concerned with and yet I have barely heard a peep on this front in the Indian media- not that this surprises me.

I've spoken to a friend of mine in-depth about this and he has some contacts within the MoD's procurement side as well as the IN's own procurement officials and he tells me that the deal was close to moving foreword last year with the S-70B being announced as the winner and that apparently as this is a FMS sale the contractual negations could have been completed in 12-18 months (around this time) however this was the same time the AW-101 fiasco was erupting and the great "Saint" himself stalled this deal personally which has led to a number of implications and has left the deal (no pun intended) at sea with no direction on where to go (as is pretty much a trade mark of the late "great" Def Minister now). So by his assessment the deal is VERY close to taking that final step and he was (quietly) optimistic we could see some foreword momentum in the next 1-3 months with the new Def Min and new govt. As the article says the upcoming DAC could see a change of fortunes for this deal as the IN will be pushing hard for this to be addressed.

He also told me there is likely to be a fresh impetus under the new govt for 16 medium class helos for the ICG (as the article alludes to) that has been scuppered again and again for one reason or another.


Let's hope the horizon really is this bright......
 
This is a small step for the IN they will only be for shore based SAR (so not replacing the Chetaks or Sea Kings) and some good for the ICG in the SAR/maritime interdiction role but in both cases the internal fuel of the ALH is not sufficient for long range SAR missions or extended time on target that is why almost all SAR helos used in the world are medium class long endurance helos.



@Dillinger what were we just talking about?


This doesn't make sense- how is the MRH deal separate to the NMRH deal? They are both to replace the Sea Kings, the NUH is to replace the Chetaks.

Why can the IN not use Dhruv as a stop gap measure till the new better Helos arrive,admitted that Dhruv is not as good as the american or European helos but it is certainly better than this crap
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Had gone through the article earlier, nothing new.

No movement on the NMRH yet though ergo no ASW helos either.

FMS for S-70B should be the path taken.

Correct on the Dhruv's being shore based.

The asw helicopters we have are old as hell,,,,same as the awacs helicopters we have.

Too damn old.........
 
Why can the IN not use Dhruv as a stop gap measure till the new better Helos arrive,admitted that Dhruv is not as good as the american or European helos but it is certainly better than this crap
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Dhruvs cannot be used on our ships, them rotors don't fold automatically, although some concessions are being made for it for manually foldable rotors, still not something you want to put on a surface combatant, not to mention that its ASW sensor compliment is yet to be operationalized.

The asw helicopters we have are old as hell,,,,same as the awacs helicopters we have.

Too damn old.........

Lol, the AEW&C helos are fine, they are new build (the design is old, although its same Kamov AEW that the PLAN is using on its carrier). The carriers we have can only accommodate AEW helos, much like the Queen Elizabeth...so for what we have now..its the only option.
 
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Dhruvs cannot be used on our ships, them rotors don't fold automatically, although some concessions are being made for it for manually foldable rotors, still not something you want to put on a surface combatant, not to mention that its ASW sensor compliment is yet to be operationalized.
How long does it take to manually fold the rotor blades?
 
Dhruvs cannot be used on our ships, them rotors don't fold automatically, although some concessions are being made for it for manually foldable rotors, still not something you want to put on a surface combatant, not to mention that its ASW sensor compliment is yet to be operationalized.



Lol, the AEW&C helos are fine, thy are new build (the design is old, although its same Kamov AEW that the PLAN is using on its carrier). The carriers we have can only accommodate AEW helos, much like the Queen Elizabeth...so for what we have now..its the only option.

Can we upgrade the radars of kamov ka-31??
I guess we are still stuck with pesa in it.
 
How long it to manually fold the rotor blades?

The time taken is not the issue, the Dhruv just was not built for this role, its a light class helo, it has neither the range/endurance nor the proven sensor (ASW- MAD, Dipping sonar (prototype displayed, nothing operational) etc.) suite. The IN will use the Dhruv for shore based ops, SAR perhaps and on the carrier for transport although VERTREP is unlikely since its meager payload and range would make it unsuitable.

Can we upgrade the radars of kamov ka-31??
I guess we are still stuck with pesa in it.

No upgrade, its the best we can have at the moment, when the IN inducts a larger catapult equipped carrier only then can proper AEW&C platforms be accommodated with adequate ETOS and primary sensors.
 
The time taken is not the issue, the Dhruv just was not built for this role, its a light class helo, it has neither the range/endurance nor the proven sensor (ASW- MAD, Dipping sonar (prototype displayed, nothing operational) etc.) suite. The IN will use the Dhruv for shore based ops, SAR perhaps and on the carrier for transport although VERTREP is unlikely since its meager payload and range would make it unsuitable.



No upgrade, its the best we can have at the moment, when the IN inducts a larger catapult equipped carrier only then can proper AEW&C platforms be accommodated with adequate ETOS and primary sensors.

U are missing the point,,,i just want radars to be changed from pesa to aesa.
After all our two aircraft carriers are dependant on these kamovs only.

I think that upgrade will come,,,maybe a few years down the line
 
U are missing the point,,,i just want radars to be changed from pesa to aesa.
After all our two aircraft carriers are dependant on these kamovs only.

I think that upgrade will come,,,maybe a few years down the line

Nope, they will stay the same for quite some time, unless you're looking at least a decade down the line. Bare in mind, the Ka-31 Helix have just been inducted and therefore will not be upgraded that quickly.
 
Nope, they will stay the same for quite some time, unless you're looking at least a decade down the line. Bare in mind, the Ka-31 Helix have just been inducted and therefore will not be upgraded that quickly.

damnnnnnnnn:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Just like the zhuk-me.:sick:
 
damnnnnnnnn:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Just like the zhuk-me.:sick:

Its enough for now, its relative to what the IN used to have, that's how a long term capabilities enhancement plan works, its always a relative upgrade to what you had.
 

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