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DISCUSSION: COULD THE ISTANBUL-CLASS FRIGATE INTEREST PAKISTAN?

GDP Adil Khan Niazi

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Mock-up of the Istanbul-class multi-mission frigate. Top right: Turkish Defence Minister Fikri Isik at the steel-cutting ceremony of the Instanbul-class frigate.


Foreword: This is not a news story, but a piece for discussion. The details offered in this article are not authoritative pieces of information, but rather, perspectives of the author.

Last week, Turkey began the construction of its first Istanbul-class frigate. The next step of Turkey’s naval warship program – MILGEM – the Istanbul-class frigate is essentially an enlarged Ada-class corvette. With a longer hull (113.20 vs. 99.56 metres) and heavier displacement (3,000 vs. 2,300 tons), the Istanbul-class frigate is positioned as a fully-capable multi-mission design.

Granted, the Istanbul-class is not as large as some of its current and emerging contemporaries, but by re-using the Ada-class design, Turkey is thinning the development overhead of the MILGEM program, especially the local supply channel already built for it (amounting to 65% of the program contribution). In other words, unlike a clean-sheet frigate design, the Istanbul-class is much more affordable. Affordability makes the Istanbul-class frigate a plausible option for Pakistan.

Pakistan is negotiating with Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik A.Ş. (STM) for four MILGEM warships, and STM aims to conclude the contract in 2017. Thus far, it appears that Pakistan is seeking the corvette form – i.e. the Ada-class – of the MILGEM. The main purpose of the corvettes would be to assume the mainstay of peacetime patrol and maritime security tasks from the Type 21 frigates. However, this selection does not necessarily preclude the Pakistan Navy from opting for the Istanbul-class frigate, at least in the future.

There have been numerous reports of the Pakistan Navy seeking four additional frigates. Unfortunately, the specific mission objectives of these frigates were not disclosed, though the notion of introducing a credible AAW element is a fair assumption. In this respect, an improved iteration of the F-22P is a strong candidate, followed perhaps by a new multi-mission frigate design showcased by the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) during the 2016 International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS), which took place in Karachi, Pakistan in November 2016.

If the Pakistani frigate program is still alive, then CSIC should be considered the leading candidate. It is no secret that China possesses a robust naval development industry, one encompassing everything from advanced ship design to sensors, onboard electronics, and munitions. China could also offer a credit or financing program (as it had for the Hangor-class submarine program). However, given that Pakistan is negotiating with STM today for the MILGEM, the Istabul-class frigate could be a viable competitor.

Within the framework of building the surface fleet, the notion of simply skipping the Ada-class corvette in favour of the Istanbul-class frigate is valid. The cost difference between the Ada-class frigate and Istanbul-class frigate should be proportional to the latter’s improvements, and the cost of buying four Istanbul-class frigates will be less than four Ada-class corvettes and four Chinese AAW-capable frigates (alternatively: The Navy could simply opt for four CSIC frigates). The remainder of the Pakistan Navy’s peacetime maritime security needs can be fulfilled by smaller low-cost corvettes, such as an up-gunned version of the 1,500-ton CSIC maritime patrol vessel meant for the Pakistan Maritime Security Agency, among others. In the absence of credible AAW, the Ada-class corvette might simply be too large and too expensive for its expected role in the Pakistan Navy. Granted, this does not account for the possibility that Pakistan could be getting a bespoke Ada design including VLS.

That said, assuming the Ada-class corvettes are procured in the end, the apparent commonality between the Ada-class and Istanbul-class could factor into the Pakistan Navy’s frigate decision. Assuming the two share a substantial proportion of internal subsystems, the long-term savings in logistics and maintenance costs could position the Istanbul-class frigate as a viable purchase. Considering that up to three of the new corvettes are to be built at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW), it would be easier to re-utilize the production infrastructure for a relatively close MILGEM variant (likewise, the same argument can be made for an improved F-22P variant, such as the C28A).

Costs will also be shaped by Pakistan’s selection of subsystems and weapons. Considering the depth of Turkish-Pakistani defence transactions thus far, one can expect a Pakistani MILGEM (corvette or frigate) to utilize available solutions from Aselsan, Havelsan, and Roketsan. Aselsan can offer its Variable Depth Sonar (VDS), HIZIR torpedo-countermeasure system, ZOKA torpedo countermeasure decoy, Integrated Naval Communication System, etc. Havelsan could provide its GENESIS combat management system.

The main question would be the main radar, VLS, and medium-range SAM. The added cost of an off-the-shelf solution could push the cost-threshold beyond what is readily sustainable for Pakistan. However, it is worth listing the plausible options (though costly): the Leonardo KRONOS Naval and MBDA Aster-15 or Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM); the Saab Sea Giraffe AMB and Denel Dynamics Umkhonto combination; the Thales SMART-S Mk2 and MBDA Aster-15 or CAMM.

Although the prospect of Pakistan procuring the Istanbul-class frigate is unlikely, the Istanbul-class should be considered the most viable Western frigate option available to Pakistan. In any case, the Istanbul-class frigate is a positive step for the Turkish shipbuilding industry, providing it with a competitive and capable product for domestic needs and the overseas market. This bodes well for this emergent naval supplier.
 
Should build our own frigates instead TBH
You need to explain what you mean by "build our own frigates" as this is a very vague statement.

For example, the ships Pakistan orders from Turkey and China are typically "built" in Pakistan at KSEW. Is this what you're asking? Or are you asking for original design, domestic materials (e.g. war-grade steel and composites) fabrication, and manufacturing?

The latter is going to require a lot more than just the Navy's procurement budget, but a top-down policy by the Gov't of Pakistan for indigenization across many fields, the vast majority of which it isn't interested in touching. This leaves the Navy (and Army and Air Force) in the situation they're in today.
 
You need to explain what you mean by "build our own frigates" as this is a very vague statement. For example, the ships Pakistan orders from Turkey and China are typically "built" in Pakistan at KSEW. Is this what you're asking?

I think he wants us to design our own.
 
You need to explain what you mean by "build our own frigates" as this is a very vague statement.

For example, the ships Pakistan orders from Turkey and China are typically "built" in Pakistan at KSEW. Is this what you're asking? Or are you asking for original design, domestic materials (e.g. war-grade steel and composites) fabrication, and manufacturing?

The latter is going to require a lot more than just the Navy's procurement budget, but a top-down policy by the Gov't of Pakistan for indigenization across many fields, the vast majority of which it isn't interested in touching. This leaves the Navy (and Army and Air Force) in the situation they're in today.

Hi Bilal,

I was looking for total defence spending of Pakistan for 2016-17 and it was 860 billion.
There is other 192 Billion contingent liability fund which will be given to Pakistan Military and 100 billion out of Coalition Support Fund so it makes Pakistan total defence spending 1152 Bn for 2016-17?

Actually, I didn't understand contingent liability fund? Technically it is defined as:-
A contingent liability is a potential liability that may occur, depending on the outcome of an uncertain future event. A contingent liability is recorded in the accounting records if the contingency is probable and the amount of the liability can be reasonably estimated.
 
Hi Bilal,

I was looking for total defence spending of Pakistan for 2016-17 and it was 860 billion.
There is other 192 Billion contingent liability fund which will be given to Pakistan Military and 100 billion out of Coalition Support Fund so it makes Pakistan total defence spending 1152 Bn for 2016-17?

Actually, I didn't understand contingent liability fund? Technically it is defined as:-
A contingent liability is a potential liability that may occur, depending on the outcome of an uncertain future event. A contingent liability is recorded in the accounting records if the contingency is probable and the amount of the liability can be reasonably estimated.
Could be part of the maintenance budget, e.g. uptick in LRU demand, wear and tear, possible damage and repairs in usage, etc.
 
Instead of Going for Milgem Corvette , we should get 4 Type 54A and later look for Turkish TF-2000 Program .
 
Instead of Going for Milgem Corvette , we should get 4 Type 54A and later look for Turkish TF-2000 Program .
Or produce a combination of those two.
Pakistani built frigate that incorporates both turkish and chinese technologies.
 
Instead of Going for Milgem Corvette , we should get 4 Type 54A and later look for Turkish TF-2000 Program .
It wouldn't take much (namely long-range SAM) to make the Type 054A into a TF-2000 analogue. These larger frigates (4,000+ ton) are more expensive to procure. The Pakistan Navy basically needs ~3,000-ton multi-mission frigates to form the mainstay of its fleet, and the I-Class and Type 057 (?) are the right candidates.
 
It wouldn't take much (namely long-range SAM) to make the Type 054A into a TF-2000 analogue. These larger frigates (4,000+ ton) are more expensive to procure. The Pakistan Navy basically needs ~3,000-ton multi-mission frigates to form the mainstay of its fleet, and the I-Class and Type 057 (?) are the right candidates.

Type 057 are heavy Destroyers if i am not wrong .. and you are saying that After a 3000 Ton multi purpose Frigate we should look for 4000+ DDG's ..
 
Type 057? There is no such thing not officially

If we are talking about Type 054A follow on then it's Type 054B

Type 057 is a name given to larger version of electric propulsion next generation FFG

That would be beyond the scope of PN

If I was to give my own personal opinion i would go for the latest iteration of the Type 054A+

Very good FFG, scores of Gulf of Aden missions experience have this unit fine tuned

It's well balanced and PLAN final production run is at 24+8 = 32

One of the longest modern FFG runs, PLAN must be satisfied with this unit

Most crucially it will give inter operability with Chinese counter parts a very big plus point

Type 054A+ is really the ideal candidate for PN, Turkey simply does not have the economic clout to give favourable financing for such a procurement either whereas China without doubt does
 
We don't know the designation for this frigate, but it was shown during IDEAS 2016 and bears a lot of peculiar similarities with the Type 057 illustration, so I and a few others just call it as such.

I'm not sure if it is a heavyweight design though, difficult to tell either way when no one bothers to take a photo of the spec sheet. But relative to the size of the 2x4 AShM (and Z-9), this design doesn't appear to be much different in size to the I-Class, which is a 3,000-ton design.

There's no doubting China's ability to offer financing, sure, but this isn't the context of the I-Class discussion. The context is the fact that the Pakistan Navy is negotiating for 4 MILGEM corvettes (for which it is apparently securing financing from Turkey); and so the question is, why those corvettes and not four I-Class frigates (or even just four Chinese frigates)?

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The main thing is vls at least 32 which could. Carry both Sam and anti surface atta k missile like type 54 can and additional 8 Ssm for anti ship

Plus Anti sub torbedo tubes and not sure about rockets like f22 / type 54 and anti air close in weapons x 2 and short range Sam

That's cover all roles Anti ship, land attack, anti air and anti sub by looking at model does not seems to be more than 3000-4000 tons anything geater will be out of PN requirement

Keep in mind 4 f22 plus help plus all ammo/missiles etc was $750 million deal back in early 2k

No body know which way it will go turkey or China or someone else like ukrain ???
 
The main thing is vls at least 32 which could. Carry both Sam and anti surface atta k missile like type 54 can and additional 8 Ssm for anti ship

Plus Anti sub torbedo tubes and not sure about rockets like f22 / type 54 and anti air close in weapons x 2 and short range Sam

That's cover all roles Anti ship, land attack, anti air and anti sub by looking at model does not seems to be more than 3000-4000 tons anything geater will be out of PN requirement

Keep in mind 4 f22 plus help plus all ammo/missiles etc was $750 million deal back in early 2k

No body know which way it will go turkey or China or someone else like ukrain ???
f 22 has 2x3 torpedo tubes, has 8 Fm 20 with range of 15-20km
though no VLS
 

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