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    If the claims about an inquiry and the comments of the DM are true, but I have some big doubts on it. Check what the same source reported earlier:

    Rafale, Typhoon score on merit | Deccan Chronicle


    Not sure which author wrote the latest article, but he's obviously not reliable.
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    Interesting things about Rafale and MMRCA from the latest Air & Cosmos magazin:

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    Credits to Olybrius from the MP forum


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    Weapon additions to the new Rafale versions will include Meteor in A2A, GBU 49 (a modernised version of the 250KG LGB Rafale uses now and GBU 24 1000Kg heavy LGB, also used as bunker busters).
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    Interesting for India as well:

    http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.p...ae-mirage-2000s&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107


    At the same time in France:

    Google Übersetzer


    So not only that the M2K-9 and Rafale deals are close to beeing fixed, French industry is already preparing the technical changes of Rafale according to UAEs specifications. That gives IAF and possibly IN of course also the chance to benefit from improved SPECTRA capabilities, as well as other features the UAE might fund (early Meteor integration, additional weapon stations, possibly integration of some US weapons).
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    Cant we try to get those UAE M2k s? as they are the upgraded standard?
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    Its getting transferred to Libya.
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    I know, but instead of spending 2-3 billion, we should have got those upgraded jets.
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    - UAE Mirage are available only from 2014/15 onwards, when they will get first Rafales, while our Mirage will be upgraded now
    - UAE and Qatari Mirage are said to be costly although 2nd hand
    - buying them instead of an upgrade, gives HAL now chance of learning to overhaul the fighters, which seems to be one of the prime interests of MoD with the upgrade

    So it's not that easy as it seems.
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    The respect for IAF and MoD which had impressed by the professional way they handled the competition is very high around the world. Even the manufacturers that lost out like the US once, stated this! :tup:
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    If they will give us with weapon package, whats the issue....the price of upgrade,suppose 2 billion (which allotted to upgrade Indian M2Ks) can be useful to buy at least 50 such UAE M2ks @40 million. (even without weapon package, it is okay) and about the timeline..we will complete the upgrade only in 2020. So why not buying those second hand? Note that UAESF's Mirages are not as old as Indian M2ks. we are using M2ks for decades and there will not be any air frame change in our proposed upgrade.

    Also note that they are very protective in TOT
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    India is in final negotiations with Dassault Aviation, a French aircraft manufacturer of military and business jets, for supply of 126 Rafale fighters.

    The Indian Air Force plans to dispose of its Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft from 2014 and replace them with Rafale fighters. Although the Mikoyan MiG-21s are popular among pilots, they are now obsolete and there have been several fatal crashes in recent years.




    Mikoyan MiG-21, India's current fighter fleet.

    The Indian Defence Ministry announced that Dassault secured an "L1 vendor" status after being selected as the lowest-price bidder who complied with all the requirements in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

    With "L1 vendor" status, Dassault is now conducting final negotiations for the deal with India's Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC), which consists of the defence program’s main stakeholders, namely the Indian air force and Hindustan Aeronautics; a state-owned company managed by the Indian Ministry of Defence. The company will build some of the Rafale fighters domestically.




    Dassault Rafale fighter, the aircraft India plan to replace their MIG's with.

    Hindustan Aeronautics manufactures and assembles aircraft from its base in Bangalore, and is one of Asia's largest aerospace companies. The negotiations between Dassault and the CNC are expected to take 6-12 months.

    The value of the MMRCA contest is estimated to be between $10 billion and $20 billion. Other competing aircrafts were Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, RSK MiG-35, Lockheed Martin F-16IN Super Viper and Saab Gripen NG. Rafale was selected as the preferred aircraft.

    The Indian Defence Ministry officials dismissed false reports in Indian publications that stated there were concerns about the Rafale's life-cycle


    India and Dassault in Final MMRCA Negotiations - Aviation News
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    Why should they give us their weapons, that they plan to use with Rafale?

    That's speculation my friend, half of them are brand new and UAE just cleared another upgrade for several 100 millions, so don't expect them to be cheap at all. We I remember correctly, Qatar asked around $700 millions for the 12 x Mirage 2000-5s! And as mentioned, the most important point of IAF / MoD seems to be the upgrade at HAL, while I would have prefered an upgrade at Dassault, cheaper and faster.

    That's a media myth, why on earth should HAL need 8 years to upgrade less than 50 fighters, when they plan to licence produce 108 Rafales in 7 years? The same BS that was reported about the $500 millions for an upgrade facility, nothing of that was confirmed so far, just like the MICA deal.
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    First MMRCA squadron to be inducted soon
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    yea
    If by soon they mean 5-6 years.
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    The contract will be signed this year for sure, reports from France clearly shows that we want to speed up the negotiations, which means that the first squad will be available by 2015. Personally I think the French will be able to deliver it earlier too, but we will see how long IAF needs to set up training and logistical support.