Chinese General Criticises US Navy Exercise

[nawazshahzad]

A Chinese general and military strategist has slammed planned US troop exercises in Asia as a provocation and has accused President Barack Obama’s administration of trying to encircle his country and sow chaos with its China policy.

Maj Gen Luo Yuan penned his broadside in the Liberation Army Daily, the top paper of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). It is a remarkably forthright view from such a senior military figure.

The missive stands as the latest diatribe against Washington, which China accuses of gunboat diplomacy with a series of military drills near its borders.

The Pentagon is planning joint naval exercises with ally South Korea that will send a US aircraft carrier into the Yellow Sea, between China and the Korean peninsula, a move seen as underlining Washington’s support for South Korea amid ongoing tensions with North Korea. Both the US and South Korea blame Pyongyang for torpedoing a South Korean navy ship in March.

Maj Gen Yuan said: “Americans always present themselves as the most democratic country, but surely that means they should respect others and listen to others and solve problems with wisdom, not force.”

The comments show the military is keen for the government to come up with a tough response to the military drills.

Maj Gen Yuan continued: “Rarely has there been such wavering and chaos in US policy towards China.” He also listed the reasons for China’s opposition to military manoeuvres nearby. “In terms of security, Chairman Mao Zedong once said, ‘We will never allow others to keep snoring beside our beds.’ If the United States were in China’s shoes, would it allow China to stage military exercises near its western and eastern coasts?” Global Research Articles by Clifford Coonan

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[CardSharp]

Oh god not another idiotic statement by some nobody general. The PLA has 3 million service members and the People's armed police has 1.5 million, the number of major generals in both services are astronomical. He is not a member of the CMC but the Media insist on quoting these idiots to fan the flames of conflict.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Oh god not another idiotic statement by some nobody general. The PLA has 3 million service members and the People's armed police has 1.5 million, the number of major generals in both services are astronomical. He is not a member of the CMC but the Media insist on quoting these idiots to fan the flames of conflict.

You're right.

 

[Nomenclature]

The general in question works as a researcher at Academy of Military Sciences. People need to realise that a lot of generals in China are not military commanders.

Chairman Mao's grandson, Mao Xinyu, became the youngest major general in PLA recently by writing a military blog (well, officially he's a military historian but no real researcher takes him seriously).

Before Mao Xinyu, I think the youngest major general in PLA was Peng Liyuan, who became a major general by being a popular singer.

 

[CardSharp]

The general in question works as a researcher at Academy of Military Sciences. People need to realise that a lot of generals in China are not military commanders.

Chairman Mao's grandson, Mao Xinyu, became the youngest major general in PLA recently by writing a military blog (well, officially he's a military historian but no real researcher takes him seriously).

I wouldn't follow that sad sack of **** into water. This apple fell pretty far from the tree and rolled

Before Mao Xinyu, I think the youngest major general in PLA was Peng Liyuan, who became a major general by being a popular singer.

We're going to have a PLA major general as the first lady? I am seriously apprehensive about Xi Jinping. He looks and acts like a bumbling idiot.

 

[no_name]

Another reason why people want out of the dynasty thing. Just because a leader is capable does not mean his descendants will be.

 

[Nomenclature]

We're going to have a PLA major general as the first lady? I am seriously apprehensive about Xi Jinping. He looks and acts like a bumbling idiot.

Looks rather likely, but it's not a done deal yet. Although Xi Jinping is enjoying an upper hand now, a lot of things can happen in two years.

While I am too a bit anxious about the future of China under the next generation of leadership (i.e. the Lost Generation). Xi Jinping is one of the better choices IMO.

The most likely alternative, Li Keqiang is simply too much like Hu and Wen in his experience, mannerism and outlook. The new leader need to represent change and hope, and I'll get really depressed if we have a Hu Jintao 2.0 as the next president (even though I AM somehow very fond of Hu's robotic manner).

Xi Jinping, of course, came from a very liberal political family. His father Xi Zhongxun was one of the staunchest supporter of Hu Yaobang, and he opposed the 1989 crackdown as well. So Xi is the first president that doesn't carry a burden of June 4.

Xi's economic policy records in Fujian, Zhejiang and Shanghai were also good, and he will probably push for further market liberalization and continue Zhu Rongji's privatization program that has been rolled back by the Hu-Wen administration.

And of course there's the famous comment on Xi from Lee Kuan Yew, "I would put him in the Nelson Mandela's class of persons. A person with enormous emotional stability who does not allow his personal misfortunes or sufferings affect his judgement. In other words, he is impressive"

 

[CardSharp]

Looks rather likely, but it's not a done deal yet. Although Xi Jinping is enjoying an upper hand now, a lot of things can happen in two years.

They sure are grooming him like he's the next big one.

The most likely alternative, Li Keqiang is simply too much like Hu and Wen in his experience, mannerism and outlook. The new leader need to represent change and hope, and I'll get really depressed if we have a Hu Jintao 2.0 as the next president (even though I AM somehow very fond of Hu's robotic manner).

Yes I too am fond of Hu's quaint awkwardness and maybe I am a populist at heart but I really liked his social programs and the general efforts at raising the standard of life. It did much to relieve some of the social tensions.

Xi Jinping, of course, came from a very liberal political family. His father Xi Zhongxun was one of the staunchest supporter of Hu Yaobang, and he opposed the 1989 crackdown as well. So Xi is the first president that doesn't carry a burden of June 4.

Xi's economic policy records in Fujian, Zhejiang and Shanghai were also good, and he will probably push for further market liberalization and continue Zhu Rongji's privatization program that has been rolled back by the Hu-Wen administration.

And perhaps I am rushing to judgement on Xi. All I heard about him here are things like the torch relay and his infamous visit to New Zealand. I knew with him that more market liberalization were in store but as to what this means exactly I am not clear.

While I am too a bit anxious about the future of China under the next generation of leadership (i.e. the Lost Generation). Xi Jinping is one of the better choices IMO.

Yep, it's a hell of a scary time. This is the decade that decides the future. The last 30 years of 9% growth was the easy part, now comes the hard part. This is where China becomes a modern nation, stop treating its citizens like children, and make all the progress that we made count for something.

btw what is the lost generation?

 

[CardSharp]

Another reason why people want out of the dynasty thing. Just because a leader is capable does not mean his descendants will be.

We played that game for way too long with the emperors. A genetic lottery with the lives of millions of people, not cool...

 

[below_freezing]

Personally I think Xi is incompetent at best and Jiang 2.0 at worst. The Jiang Zemin years were the worst of all, anyone that lived through it knows. The bad of capitalism and socialism with none of the good. Add to that, Jiang Zemin himself was corrupt, as well as his children.

I used to support Bo Xilai but on further thought he seems like a dangerous demagogue, seems best to use him for lower level governing where his policies (not saying they're bad, killing off the mafia was the best thing) have exceptional use. Li Keqiang is the best choice. He is the only one with a PhD in Law along with a long history of government service, making him exceptionally qualified for the task of governing our nation.

 

[chauism]

The general in question works as a researcher at Academy of Military Sciences. People need to realise that a lot of generals in China are not military commanders.

Chairman Mao's grandson, Mao Xinyu, became the youngest major general in PLA recently by writing a military blog (well, officially he's a military historian but no real researcher takes him seriously).

Before Mao Xinyu, I think the youngest major general in PLA was Peng Liyuan, who became a major general by being a popular singer.

Peng Liyuan being the wife of Xi Jinping who may come the future president of China might also help her rising in the ranks too.

 

[no_name]

btw what is the lost generation?

The red guard generation i think. A lot of idiots generated in that period. Some of the older people now lacking in manners and overall standards came from that era. Though as they age one cannot but feel sorry for their lost opportunities.

 

[chauism]

Personally I think Xi is incompetent at best and Jiang 2.0 at worst. The Jiang Zemin years were the worst of all, anyone that lived through it knows. The bad of capitalism and socialism with none of the good. Add to that, Jiang Zemin himself was corrupt, as well as his children.

I used to support Bo Xilai but on further thought he seems like a dangerous demagogue, seems best to use him for lower level governing where his policies (not saying they're bad, killing off the mafia was the best thing) have exceptional use. Li Keqiang is the best choice. He is the only one with a PhD in Law along with a long history of government service, making him exceptionally qualified for the task of governing our nation.

I wouldn't put too much faith in Bo Xilai. The way he does in politics as if he is doing it in America. He reminds me much of Obama, grabbing very opportunities to let the attention drawn to him. In simple words, he is too showy.

Li Keqiang is the good choice for executive position such as premier, but he lack the certain overall quality as a leader that has to unite every fractions within or out of the party and has the strength to turn the tide when things is not going to the right way. So yes, Xi Jingping is the best choice.

 

[Nomenclature]

btw what is the lost generation?

The usage isn't universal. I used it to refer to the generation of those born in 50s and lost their chance for formal education during the Cultural Revolution.

Personally I think Xi is incompetent at best and Jiang 2.0 at worst. The Jiang Zemin years were the worst of all, anyone that lived through it knows. The bad of capitalism and socialism with none of the good. Add to that, Jiang Zemin himself was corrupt, as well as his children.

I used to support Bo Xilai but on further thought he seems like a dangerous demagogue, seems best to use him for lower level governing where his policies (not saying they're bad, killing off the mafia was the best thing) have exceptional use. Li Keqiang is the best choice. He is the only one with a PhD in Law along with a long history of government service, making him exceptionally qualified for the task of governing our nation.

Yeah I agree Bo Xilai is dangerous. Right now the least thing China needs is a charismatic populist like Bo.

I don't think we should judge the Jiang years so harshly, China did join the WTO, maintained a high growth rate (mostly coastal area though) and made structural reforms in SOEs during that period. I'm worried by the recent trend of 'SOEs advance, private business retreats'. We'll probably see more growth in the private sector under Xi.

There's no doubt Li worked much harder to climb up than Xi and he probably is more qualified as an administrator than Xi. But a change in top leadership's outlook every now and then is healthy. 20 years of 'red states' presidency is a bit much, IMO.

I have the feeling something is brewing, regardless it's Xi or Li who'll get the top job. Lt.Gen Liu Yazhou (political commissioner of the National Defense University, son-in-law of former President Li Xiannian and generally your typical pro-democracy-figure-without-any-idea-how-democracy-actually-works) recently hinted if another Tiananmen protest is ever going to happen PLA may not answer party's call.

I don't know what'll happen but whoever becomes the president in 2012, he's going to have a hell lot of works to do. Last years there's a rumor saying the reason Xi Jinping hadn't been promoted to CMC vice-chairmanship was he himself not feeling ready for it. Maybe that's true, maybe not. But I sure can understand why someone may actually prefer no to be the 'party core' for the next decade. It's not an enviable job.

Peng Liyuan being the wife of Xi Jinping who may come the future president of China might also help her rising in the ranks too.

Peng got her major general rank in 2002 when Xi Jinping was only a governor though. But Jiang was in charge of military back then and he and Xi were already close (I think).

 

[chauism]

The usage isn't universal. I used it to refer to the generation of those born in 50s and lost their chance for formal education during the Cultural Revolution.



Yeah I agree Bo Xilai is dangerous. Right now the least thing China needs is a charismatic populist like Bo.

I don't think we should judge the Jiang years so harshly, China did join the WTO, maintained a high growth rate (mostly coastal area though) and made structural reforms in SOEs during that period. I'm worried by the recent trend of 'SOEs advance, private business retreats'. We'll probably see more growth in the private sector under Xi.

There's no doubt Li worked much harder to climb up than Xi and he probably is more qualified as an administrator than Xi. But a change in top leadership's outlook every now and then is healthy. 20 years of 'red states' presidency is a bit much, IMO.

I have the feeling something is brewing, regardless it's Xi or Li who'll get the top job. Lt.Gen Liu Yazhou (political commissioner of the National Defense University, son-in-law of former President Li Xiannian and generally your typical pro-democracy-figure-without-any-idea-how-democracy-actually-works) recently hinted if another Tiananmen protest is ever going to happen PLA may not answer party's call.

I don't know what'll happen but whoever becomes the president in 2012, he's going to have a hell lot of works to do. Last years there's a rumor saying the reason Xi Jinping hadn't been promoted to CMC vice-chairmanship was he himself not feeling ready for it. Maybe that's true, maybe not. But I sure can understand why someone may actually prefer no to be the 'party core' for the next decade. It's not an enviable job.



Peng got her major general rank in 2002 when Xi Jinping was only a governor though. But Jiang was in charge of military back then and he and Xi were already close (I think).

Maybe he is not widely supported by the military for now. Also his hawkish attitude in dealing with international issues does worry some party elders.

He followed with a rather direct accusation for "foreigners" trying to interfere in Chinese affairs, a subject that has always been sensitive in Chinese political circles. In Chinese, Xi remarked: "There are some bored foreigners, with full stomachs, who have nothing better to do than point fingers at us [China]. First, China doesn't export Revolution; second, China doesn't export hunger and poverty; third, China doesn't come and cause you headaches, what more is there to be said?"
Chinese V-P blasts meddlesome foreigners