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ASEAN Way founders in South China Sea storm | Reuters

As Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario began to raise the sensitive issue of the South China Sea at one of last week's Asian summit meetings, his microphone went dead. :lol:

A technical glitch, said the Cambodian hosts. Perhaps something more sinister, hinted some diplomats who were frustrated by Chinese ally Cambodia's dogged efforts to keep the subject off the agenda.

That account and others, described to Reuters by diplomats with direct knowledge of the talks and who asked not to be identified, reveals how deeply Southeast Asian nations have been polarized by China's rapidly expanding influence in the region.

The fast-growing 10-nation Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), which aims to form an EU-style economic bloc by 2015, insists it remains united despite its failure for the first time in 45 years to agree a concluding summit statement.

But Reuters' interviews reveal deep discord and frayed tempers at last week's summit that are sharply at odds with the group's self-styled reputation for harmony and polite debate.

"It was one of the most heated meetings in the history of ASEAN," one diplomat said. Another described Cambodia, which holds the revolving ASEAN chairmanship this year, as "the worst chair", and said China had effectively bought its loyalty and that of some other states with economic largesse.

The breakdown has left attempts to craft a maritime "code of conduct" this year between ASEAN and China in tatters, raising the risk that growing incidents of naval brinkmanship over the oil-rich waters will spill over into conflict.

It also underlines the huge challenge facing the United States as it refocuses its military and economic attention on Asia in response to China's rise. The South China Sea has become Asia's biggest potential military flashpoint as Beijing's sovereignty claims set it against Vietnam and the Philippines racing to tap possibly huge oil reserves.

CHINA BREACHES INNER SANCTUM

The failure touched on a long-standing ASEAN fear, says Carlyle Thayer, an emeritus professor at the University of New South Wales at the Australian Defense Force Academy -- that lack of unity would allow foreign powers to exploit its differences.

"This is the first major breach of the dyke of regional autonomy," he said. "China has now reached into ASEAN's inner sanctum and played on intra-ASEAN divisions."

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen has angrily rejected suggestions that China has "bought" Cambodia's support over the South China Sea dispute. China's foreign direct investment in Cambodia was $1.2 billion in 2011, almost 10 times that of the United States, according to an estimate by the government's Council for the Development of Cambodia. Chinese investment and trade has also surged in neighboring Myanmar and Laos.

Cambodia batted away repeated attempts to raise the issue about the disputed waters during the ASEAN meeting last week as well as the ASEAN Regional Forum, which includes Japan and the United States, according to diplomats present.

ASEAN Secretary-General Surin Pitsuwan was cut off in mid-address by Cambodia's foreign minister as he tried to bring up the topic, said several Southeast Asia diplomats. :lol:

Del Rosario's microphone malfunction occurred at a Thursday morning ministerial meeting, diplomats said, as he raised the issue despite Cambodia's insistence that it should not be discussed. A Cambodian foreign ministry spokesman said it was "craziness" to suggest that it was switched off deliberately.

On Friday, the last day of the summit, diplomats scrambled to avoid humiliation and agree an 11th-hour text for a joint statement. Regional giant Indonesia took the lead.

Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa even called his Singapore counterpart back from the airport to help draft a deal, the first ASEAN diplomat said.

Natalegawa drafted 18 different versions of the statement in a desperate effort to appease both Cambodia and claimant states the Philippines and Vietnam, the diplomat said. Natalegawa's staff scurried long distances through Phnom Penh's cavernous Peace Palace to get the latest drafts to printer machines.

But the attempts finally stalled over Cambodia's unwillingness to accept any mention of the Scarborough Shoal - the site of a recent naval stand-off between China and the Philippines - even after Manila accepted an Indonesian suggestion to change the wording to "affected shoal".

"The host should have played a bigger role, but he didn't," the ASEAN diplomat said.

Then came the fallout. The Philippines said it deplored the outcome and Del Rosario held a news conference in Manila to condemn an unidentified state's "increasing assertion" in disputed waters, warning it was raising the risk of conflict.

It was shockingly blunt language for a group that has long waved off criticism of its bland statements and lack of strong joint policies by citing the "ASEAN Way" -- its method of discrete, non-conflictual cooperation.


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The Philippines should “face facts squarely and not make trouble” over Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal, China said after successfully blocking Manila’s attempt last week to win regional support in its territorial dispute with Beijing in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

A Chinese newspaper also chided the Philippines for “disgracing” itself with its “high-pitched verbal provocations” for which it had no matching “military or diplomatic influence.”

China is seeking to picture the Philippines as alone in its effort to get the country’s dispute with China over Panatag Shoal mentioned in a joint statement at the close of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) foreign ministers’ meeting in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, last week.

But Malacañang insisted Monday that the Philippines had the support of the majority of the 10 Asean nations on the dispute. The bloc, however, failed to issue a joint communiqué because Cambodia, an ally of China and this year’s host, blocked the mention of the conflict in the statement.

Cambodia’s actions caused acrimony that led to the group’s failure to issue a joint statement, the first time in 45 years that the bloc’s annual meeting ended without such a statement.

Communications Secretary Ricky Carandang said the Philippines wanted to see Cambodia “to be more supportive” in the Asean leaders’ summit in Phnom Penh in November.

There is little chance of that happening. On Sunday, Cambodia, echoing China’s line, said the Panatag Shoal dispute was not a regional issue.

Shocked, surprised

According to Yang, “the Chinese people were shocked and surprised by the Huangyan Island incident.”

He had a different account of the standoff. “(On April 8) the Philippine side sent a naval vessel to hurt the Chinese fishermen on China’s territory,” Yang said. “What they did caused wide concern and strong indignation among the Chinese people.”

Pressure on China

The Global Times, one of China’s top newspapers, said in an editorial published Monday that “Manila attempted to exert pressure on China through the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, but the request was rejected by the majority of Asean members.”

Like Japan and Vietnam, the Philippines only humiliated itself, said the paper, which is published by the People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.

“The Philippines has been the most embarrassed by its futile action,” the Global Times said. “Manila didn’t have the military or diplomatic influence to match its high-pitched verbal provocations.”

In an earlier editorial, the Global Times said “the Philippines and Vietnam deserve to be punished.”

“If they go to extremes in their provocations against China, it is likely that they will be punished through means including military strikes,” the paper said.
 
they are thousands of km away,never properly populated in past century

if distance is the only factor that should be considered,then India should give the Andaman Islands back to Burma and US should give away dozens if not hundreds of its islands and UK..I don't know how many.
 
if distance is the only factor that should be considered,then India should give the Andaman Islands back to Burma and US should give away dozens if not hundreds of its islands and UK..I don't know how many.

and here is the thing,Indian empire Rajendra Chola captured it in near 1030 CE.since then it is belonged to various Indian empires.after that Danish and British mingled over these for few hundred centuries,Japan captured and gave A&N to Azad Hind govt during WW II.so it belongs to India.even Coco Islands,where China placed its listening station,also belonged to India,but India gave it to Mayanmar.use your brain and learn.those islands never belonged to China and nobody bothered about them as those were uninhabited and not important.What Kuomintang govt claimed is also wrong and impractical,thats why nobody bothered with it until when discovered a huge presence of oilfields in this region.thats when China renewed their claim.if you see,its Vietnames and Philippines live some of these islands,not a single Chinese or Taiwanese was present until capture of some of them.
 
was India a country at all that long time ago,and SCS islands belong to China several hundred years ago and we have official ancient document about those island which none of other claimants have.
 
was India a country at all that long time ago,and SCS islands belong to China several hundred years ago and we have official ancient document about those island which none of other claimants have.

nope...it never marked as your kingdom.and A&N was captured by Rajaraj Chole,and since then it was under empires that belongs to present day India.not only that,Independent India got these Island Chains,thats what important,because thats what counts.do you have any proof of Chinese presence in spartly/parcels/other disputed islands in Qing Dynasty/Kuomintang govt??your empire didn't recognize as your territory.

thats qing empire...


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nope...it never marked as your kingdom.and A&N was captured by Rajaraj Chole,and since then it was under empires that belongs to present day India.not only that,Independent India got these Island Chains,thats what important,because thats what counts.do you have any proof of Chinese presence in spartly/parcels/other disputed islands in Qing Dynasty/Kuomintang govt??your empire didn't recognize as your territory.

thats qing empire...

you captured that island since when?India itself is the legacy of the British empire which included a lot of other land into today India.Spratly was never marked by Chinese empires?lol..Vietnam itself was even marked part of Chinese empire for more than a thousand years.
 
you captured that island since when?India itself is the legacy of the British empire which included a lot of other land into today India.Spratly was never marked by Chinese empires?lol..Vietnam itself was even marked part of Chinese empire for more than a thousand years.

since 1000 CE...lol

little history time...



Rajendra Chola I (1014 to 1042 CE), one of the Tamil Chola dynasty kings, occupied the Andaman and Nicobar Islands to use them as a strategic naval base to launch a naval expedition against the Sriwijaya Empire (a Hindu-Malay empire based on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia). They called the islands Timaittivu ("impure islands" in Tamil).[4]
The islands provided a temporary maritime base for ships of the Marathas in the 17th century. The legendary admiral Kanhoji Angre established naval supremacy with a base in the islands and is credited with attaching those islands to India.[5][6]
[edit]Colonial period
The history of organized European colonization on the islands began when the Danish settlers of the Danish East India Company arrived in the Nicobar Islands on 12 December 1755. On January 1, 1756, the Nicobar Islands were made a Danish colony, first named New Denmark,[7] and later (December 1756) Frederick's Islands (Frederiksøerne). During 1754–1756 they were administrated from Tranquebar (in continental Danish India). The islands were repeatedly abandoned due to outbreaks of malaria between 14 April 1759 - 19 August 1768, from 1787-1807/05, 1814–1831, 1830–1834 and finally from 1848 gradually for good.[7]
From 1 June 1778 to 1784, Austria mistakenly assumed that Denmark had abandoned its claims to the Nicobar islands, and attempted to establish a colony on them,[8] renaming them Theresia Islands.[7]
In 1789 the British set up a naval base and penal colony on Chatham Island next to Great Andaman, where now lies the town of Port Blair. Two years later the colony was moved to Port Cornwallis on Great Andaman, but it was abandoned in 1796 due to disease.
Denmark's presence in the territory ended formally on 16 October 1868 when it sold the rights to the Nicobar Islands to Britain,[8] which made them part of British India in 1869.
In 1858 the British established again a colony at Port Blair, which proved to be more permanent. The primary purpose was to set up a penal colony for dissenters and independence fighters from the Indian subcontinent. The colony came to include the infamous Cellular Jail.
In 1872 the Andaman and Nicobar islands were united under a single chief commissioner at Port Blair.
[edit]World War II
Main article: Japanese occupation of the Andaman Islands
During World War II, the islands were were practically under Japanese control, only nominally under the authority of the Arzi Hukumate Azad Hind of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. Bose visited the islands during the war, and renamed them as "Shaheed-dweep" (Martyr Island) and "Swaraj-dweep" (Self-rule Island).
General Loganathan, of the Indian National Army was made the Governor of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. On 22 February 1944 he along with four INA officers — Major Mansoor Ali Alvi, Sub. Lt. Md. Iqbal, Lt. Suba Singh and stenographer Srinivasan—arrived at Lambaline Airport in Port Blair. On 21 March 1944 the Headquarters of the Civil Administration was established near the Gurudwara at Aberdeen Bazaar. On 2 October 1944, Col. Loganathan handed over the charge to Maj. Alvi and left Port Blair, never to return.[9] The islands were reoccupied by British and Indian troops of the 116th Indian Infantry Brigade on 7 October 1945, to whom the remaining Japanese garrison surrendered.
[edit]Indian state
At the independence of both India (1947) and Burma (1948), the departing British announced their intention to resettle all Anglo-Indians and Anglo-Burmese on the islands to form their own nation, although this never materialized. It became part of the Indian union in 1950 and was declared a union territory on 1956.[10]:33


Andaman and Nicobar Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


you know,only red part matters,what is missing on your claim.it was never claimed until very recent times.neither of your previous rulers and kuomintang govt occupied it or try to occupied it.only 9 dotted line,which has no meaning to other countries,not even your own CCP,until discovery of oilfields...
 
since 1000 CE...lol


you know,only red part matters,what is missing on your claim.it was never claimed until very recent times.neither of your previous rulers and kuomintang govt occupied it or try to occupied it.only 9 dotted line,which has no meaning to other countries,not even your own CCP,until discovery of oilfields...

if you call a colonial dictation a indispensable factor in claiming a country's territory,maybe only India has this priviledge.we know our land and we dont need other people to tell us where our land lies.
 
if you call a colonial dictation a indispensable factor in claiming a country's territory,maybe only India has this priviledge.we know our land and we dont need other people to tell us where our land lies.

lol..andaman was indian land and is indian land.only China can call something "Their Land" which never was their.colonial or not,A&N was a legal transfer.what about Spartly???i never find any documents thats shows its in China's color."thousands of years ago my forefathers fishing there" type logic doesn't give you authority to claim that "your land"..and your neighbour has every right to point out your misdeeds because you are trying to steal lands from inferior countries..flexing muscles will not work here..cheers.. :tup:
 
the history evidence showed that they are our land is way more than other claimants and yes our ancestors were always there.

Spratly Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries. They are also referenced in the 13th century,followed by the Ming Dynasty.When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724, 1755,1767,1810, and 1817. A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as "Wanli Changsha".

In 1883, German boats surveyed the Spratly and Paracel Islands but withdrew the survey eventually after receiving protests from Guangdong government representing Qing Dynasty.

In 1933, France asserted its claims from 1887 to the Spratly and Paracel Islands on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam. It occupied a number of the Spratly Islands, including Taiping Island, built weather stations on two, and administered them as part of French Indochina. This occupation was protested by the Republic Of China (ROC, now known as Taiwan) government because France admitted finding Chinese fishermen there when French warships visited the nine islands.


these islands were called Shinnan Shoto (新南諸島), literally the New Southern Islands, and put under the governance of the ROC together with the Paracel Islands (西沙群岛). In 1945, The ROC sent its Naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan. It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Taiping Island, as its base, and renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. The KMT force of the ROC briefly abandoned the islands after its defeat in China's civil war in 1949, but re-established the base in 1956. Today, Taiping Island is still administered by Taiwan.

Following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, China re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Taiping Island), accepting the Japanese surrender on the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations.

Japan renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, together with the Paracels, Pratas & other islands captured from China, upon which China reasserted its claim to the islands.


In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters, which encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects the decision by China regarding the 12 nautical mile limit of territorial waters.

it is true that in this bilateral territorial dispute between Chinese and Vietnamese interests, the DRV standpoint, more in a diplomatic than a legal sense, was incomparably closer to that of China than to that of South Vietnam"
 
but what you missed is this....



According to Hanoi, old Vietnamese maps record Bãi Cát Vàng (Golden Sandbanks, referring to both Paracels and the Spratly Islands) which lay near the Coast of the central Vietnam as early as 1838.[18] In Phủ Biên Tạp Lục (Frontier Chronicles) by the scholar Le Quy Don, Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa were defined as belonging to Quảng Ngãi District. He described it as where sea products and shipwrecked cargoes were available to be collected. Vietnamese text written in the 17th century referenced government-sponsored economic activities during the Le Dynasty, 200 years earlier. The Vietnamese government conducted several geographical surveys of the islands in the 18th century.[18]
Despite the fact that China and Vietnam both made a claim to these territories simultaneously, at the time, neither side was aware that their neighbor had already charted and made claims to the same stretch of islands.[18]
The islands were sporadically visited throughout the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries by mariners from different European powers (including Richard Spratly, after whom the island group derives its most recognizable English name).[19] However, these nations showed little interest in the islands.
British naval captain James George Meads in the 1870s laid claim to the islands proclaiming a micronation called Republic of Morac-Songhrati-Meads. Descendants of Meads have continued to claim legitimacy over the islands, and continue to attempt to claim ownership of the island's resources


It was unclear whether France continued its claim to the islands after WWII, since none of the islands other than Taiping Island is habitable. The South Vietnamese government took over the Trường Sa administration after the defeat of the French at the end of the First Indochina War. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters, which encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects the decision by China regarding the 12 nautical mile limit of territorial waters.[citation needed] One important fact is that the letter while accepting the 12 nautical mile principal for the limit of territorial waters of China, has never mentioned a word about how the territorial boundary was defined and thus leaving the dispute on South China Sea islands as its status quo for later settlement.


also,read rest of its history and arguments here...

Spratly Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


it never said that it was under China's rule.people from Vietnam,Philippines and southern China belonged there.plus Vietnam acquired these islands after defeating France.China had to solve the issues then.and China never settled this matter with Vietnam after Vietnam acquired these.

plus you should read history of parcels too..

Paracel Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
their first map appeared as late as the year 1838,and the reference shows that we have way more document to back our claim than any other claimants,and also we are much more militarily prepared for the worst case senario.we have both evidence and the power.
 
India was created by British colonialism. Without the British, India would not have existed. India occupy land and islands that were part of the British empire. India invaded many countries that are now part of India, include Hyderabad, Gao. Check out operation Polo and Vijay.

Operation Polo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1961 Indian annexation of Goa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

India also invaded Muslim kingdom of Kashmir. Many Muslims were slaughtered by the peaceful Indians in 1947. The world need to know the true face of India.

India should grant independence to the territories that India occupied by force and apologize.
 

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