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Can India Become the Next China? | The Diplomat


With its growing labor force, the South Asian giant has some impressive long-term growth potential.

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By Anthony Fensom

China’s citizens may have celebrated “APEC blue” skies at the recent Beijing summit. But amid the nation’s recent diplomatic triumphs, analysts suggest China could still be eclipsed by India as Beijing confronts growing environmental and structural challenges.

Speaking at Brisbane’s recent G20 Leaders’ Summit, China’s Finance Minister Zhu Guangyao said the world’s second-biggest economy was undergoing “a period of pain” as it tackled structural problems threatening its growth targets.

“We do have problems that have been accumulated over time…the first is the overcapacity of our economy, second is the problem of shadow banking, and the third main problem is debt accumulated over time by local Chinese governments,”
he said.

Zhu said the world economy “faces greater downward risks,” with the Chinese economy also adjusting to a “new normal” of slower growth.

“Right now the Chinese economy is in a period when we are changing gear. Our economic structure is undergoing a period of pain and we are also in a period when we are absorbing large-scale stimulus packages we rolled out earlier,” he said.

He added, “Now is a ‘new normal’ for China’s economy…[which] means the Chinese economy will be running at a relatively high speed instead of a super-high speed. In the normal economic functions we must also take into consideration factors such as the environment and energy.”

Zhu quoted the Chinese president in suggesting that Beijing’s emissions deal with the United States reflected a new focus on putting the environment ahead of unsustainable economic growth.

“[Chinese] President Xi Jinping attaches great importance to our work on this front…he said we want both clear water and green mountains as well as golden and silver mountains. And if we have to choose between the two, we would rather choose clear water and green mountains over gold and silver,” he said.

China’s pledge to peak total emissions by 2030 and boost the share of non-fossil fuels in its total energy mix to 20 percent has sparked concern among coal exporters, with the G20 urging Japan to apply its lower-emission technologies to coal-fired power stations around the region.

But while Zhu pointed to China’s rapid growth, saying its GDP expansion for 2013 was the equivalent of its entire economy in 1994, he said the nation was attempting to drive structural reform to build “a new model where we are powered more by innovation.”

India to Outpace Rivals

Japan’s economic woes since the 1990s in attempting to change its previous growth model might indicate the challenge Beijing faces. But according to a recent report by the University of Oxford’s Oxford Martin School and Citi Research, India’s superior demographics have it well placed to expand at a faster pace than its communist rival.

Based on OECD projections, the report predicts India outpacing rivals by growing at an average annual rate of 6.8 percent from 2018 to 2030 and 4.3 percent from 2031 to 2060, ahead of China’s 5.4 percent and 2.1 percent, respectively.

“The demographics of India are more favorable than those of China as China’s labor force has already peaked. Conversely, India still has a young population and will grow at least through 2045 when the country is projected to be home to just under 1 billion workers…India will have 25 percent more workers than China by 2060 while China has 24 percent more today,” the report said.

The report suggests the “demographic window” that has helped power economic development will close in China by 2020, remaining open in Indonesia until 2035, Malaysia until 2040 and not shutting in India until 2045.

While China is expected to have a $30.6 trillion economy by 2030 compared to India’s $13.7 trillion, India’s growth is “poised to remain elevated for the foreseeable future, even as China’s economy slows.” Yet the report also cited challenges to the world’s most populous democracy, including its gridlocked lower house, compared to China’s “highly centralized and authoritarian government.”

In announcing plans to secure a free trade agreement with India within a year after achieving similar deals with China, Japan and South Korea, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott described India as “the emerging superpower of Asia [that] is already a democracy.”

The OECD’s latest economic survey of India has also pointed to “signs of a turnaround,” with growth expected to expand by more than 6.5 percent annually in the coming years.

While the Paris-based organization expects China to slow to 6.8 percent over 2015-19, affected by its demographic changes, environmental and other issues, a separate OECD report predicts Asia’s wealthiest country will become the world’s biggest spender on research and development by 2019, ahead of the European Union, Japan and the United States, helping its innovation push.

China’s renewable and nuclear energy drive is also seen aiding its emissions target, amid pressure from its populace to make Beijing’s “APEC blue” skies a permanent feature.

Fortunately for the rest of the region, India’s predicted rise should support economic growth, even while debate continues over whether it can truly become the “next China.”
 
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Please be reseasonable and logical whenever you post. How can you compare Uganda with India? India is the only country has similar development potential as China accross the world with large population, fast increasing GDP and strong government. They are less developed compared to China during the past two decades. However, slowly but surely, they will become a big power that no one can ignore.
 
Please be reseasonable and logical whenever you post. How can you compare Uganda with India? India is the only country has similar development potential as China accross the world with large population, fast increasing GDP and strong government. They are less developed compared to China during the past two decades. However, slowly but surely, they will become a big power that no one can ignore.

Population is just about the only similarity India has with China. The two countries have very different backgrounds and demographics.

The fast increasing GDP part is somewhat true, but when you take nominal GDP and India's dependence on foreign imports into account, it become much more complex.
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And while India' government is holding itself together, it is nowhere near "strong". It is rather understandable given the number of political groups in India and how easily coalition can form and break. This is, of course, on top of the conflicts between local and the central government.

Look, I am not denying India has a great deal of potential, but then again there are also a rather large number of groups that have them, like Indonesia, EU, Brazil, etc.
 
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I think China will become America and India will become China and US and Russia will not longer be biggest power of world
 
My vote is on china becoming a superpower and displacing even the US. It will take a long time however.
 
The best part of Indias growth is that unlike China, Indias growth will be completely inclusive. Unlike Chinas investment based growth, Indian growth can never be non consumption based. In laymens term, Indian growth will be highest even with a low gini quotent.
 
My vote is on china becoming a superpower and displacing even the US. It will take a long time however.

Personally, I think that'll depend on how we define a 'superpower'. I've no doubt that China's economy will be a superpower, not the GDP but also GDP per capita. But the chance of China becoming a military superpower is little.

All superpowers in the history use military force to expand and control the world, Spain, Britain, USSR and America. But China has a 5000 years of history as a defensive country. Even in it's most glorious days, the ancient Chinese hardly explore and expand the border. Instead, they spend all the money building the Great Wall.

In fact, the two big border expansion for ancient China is not performed by ancient han Chinese. They're in Yuan dynasty and qing dynasty, when china is under the control of Mongolian and Manchu. The Han people were also victims of invasion.

So I don't think China will become a superpower in the future, as least not a superpower like current U.S.A., who got military bases accross the world and seek control of everything.
 
India could have been if India seized the opportunity during independence and made a thorough social & land reform.

The caste indoctrinated and ethnically enforced vested interest groups are the reasons why India has not been.
 
India could have been if India seized the opportunity during independence and made a thorough social & land reform.

The caste indoctrinated and ethnically enforced vested interest groups are the reasons why India has not been.

wrong analysis..who said India did not make Land Reform??Caste Discrimination is a social problem,not an economical one..and Reform Like China,no thanks.we're better off with Caste Discrimination than Purge.

by the way,you guys should read these than chanting same lines again and again....

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every now and then these kind of article surfaces,which is nothing but d!ck measuring..India don't want to be China.we're going to remain India,we just want to grow,and not to demonstrate some cosmetic developmental figures,but through development in every sphere..
 
Personally, I think that'll depend on how we define a 'superpower'. I've no doubt that China's economy will be a superpower, not the GDP but also GDP per capita. But the chance of China becoming a military superpower is little.

All superpowers in the history use military force to expand and control the world, Spain, Britain, USSR and America. But China has a 5000 years of history as a defensive country. Even in it's most glorious days, the ancient Chinese hardly explore and expand the border. Instead, they spend all the money building the Great Wall.

In fact, the two big border expansion for ancient China is not performed by ancient han Chinese. They're in Yuan dynasty and qing dynasty, when china is under the control of Mongolian and Manchu. The Han people were also victims of invasion.

So I don't think China will become a superpower in the future, as least not a superpower like current U.S.A., who got military bases accross the world and seek control of everything.

China has shown some assertiveness in recent years which should not be ignored. I would note 2 examples:

1) The invasion of Mischief reef (or according to the Chinese their own) Islands and ownership of Pag-asa: I don't know much about this but these territorial claims of China should not be ignored. Also Chinas nukes are aimed primarily at the US otherwise they have no use of nukes.

2) The invasion of Kashmir in 1962: The 1962 war with India was an example that China is now not resting but has awoken and woken up as an Asian Tiger. In the war the Chinese gained control of Aksai Chin and cemented a friendship with Pakistan.

Infact by 1965 war between India and Pakistan some sources claim China offered us (Pakistanis) support if we prolonged the war. So China is much more assertive and aggressive than it has been in the past. It comes with economic growth. Every power which has good economic growth has flexed its military muscle, be it south Korea or Vietnam.

Now for example us Pakistanis we don't have much strong economic growth so we do not even raise issues like the Samjhauta Express attacks.

In any case I am relying on China to displace US as the leader of the world. It is my hope it will happen in the next 30 years or so.
 
China has shown some assertiveness in recent years which should not be ignored. I would note 2 examples:

1) The invasion of Mischief reef (or according to the Chinese their own) Islands and ownership of Pag-asa: I don't know much about this but these territorial claims of China should not be ignored. Also Chinas nukes are aimed primarily at the US otherwise they have no use of nukes.

You should know the facts that China claims the whole SCS islands and that the 9 dotted borderline was published by the nationalist government in 1946, while Viets, Pinoys and others made their claims since 1970s-1980s.

2) The invasion of Kashmir in 1962: The 1962 war with India was an example that China is now not resting but has awoken and woken up as an Asian Tiger. In the war the Chinese gained control of Aksai Chin and cemented a friendship with Pakistan.

There never was a recognized border between China and Kashmir or China and India. By the way Aksai Chin is a Uyghur phrase for "China's white stone brook". Correct me if I am wrong.

Infact by 1965 war between India and Pakistan some sources claim China offered us (Pakistanis) support if we prolonged the war. So China is much more assertive and aggressive than it has been in the past. It comes with economic growth. Every power which has good economic growth has flexed its military muscle, be it south Korea or Vietnam.

In 1965 war Pakistan goverment asked support from China. China supplied as much military equipment as possible. Military action to attack India was considered but finally given up. In 1971 war Pakistan goverment representative went to Beijing and formally required PLA to intervene. If China were not in a mess of cultural revolution things could have been different. These detailed information can be obtained from the declassified files of Chinese Foreign Ministry.

As China develops both economically and politically, we would try to solve those historic and territory issues through peaceful means. If all efforts fail we would certainly use our muscle.
 

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