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BDforever said:
i don't care about pic, it is declared by BD Army in recent fair and said it is obtained in 2011-2012 season
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no real pic in BD army hands till now.... only pic about declaration and hearsay. You know the old adagiom, no pics is hoax


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Bilal9 said:
So - what I understand that the primary MLRS system in use in the Army is the WS22 which is a great area saturation weapon as opposed to a tactical missile.



What about the PR50 Sandstorm 122mm MLRS? Is this similar or a later version? What are the improvements if any?



But modern or not - these are all copies and variants of the Russian BM-21 GRAD system with simple rockets and limited range .

Both Myanmar and India have moved past the BM-21 capability and have gone into,
A. Longer range rickets and
B. More varied rocket payloads like,
  1. Fragmentation high explosive (HEAT/HE-Fragmentation)
  2. Incendiary
  3. Thermobaric
  4. Anti-Tank and Anti-Personnel minelets (Cluster munition, anti-personnel)
  5. Anti-Tank bomblets
Take the case of Myanmar - which (in addition to having capability of 122mm calibre rockets using Type 81 and Type 90B launchers) also has North Korean M-1985 and M-1991 240mm calibre MLRS (reportedly deployed next to our borders). The 12-round M-1985 and the 22-round M-1991 have capability of neutralizing a much larger area at a much longer range, and can all employ the 'shoot and scoot' strategy.

M-1991



Besides 240mm calibre rockets, Myanmar also possesses 35 units of the slightly larger 270mm calibre Russian Uragan MLRS systems (range 35km).

There is an identical Chinese equivalent.

THE RUSSIAN BM-27 URAGAN MLRS VEHICLE SPECIFICATIONS
Chassis – ZIL-135LM

Weight – 15.1ton (empty)

Weight – 20ton (combat)

Top speed – 65km/h

Fuel endurance – 500km

Maximum elevation angle – 55 deg.

Angles of traverse – right 30 deg / left 30 deg

Length – 9.63m

Width – 2.8m

Height – 3.225m

Crew – 4

THE RUSSIAN BM-27 URAGAN MLRS LAUNCHER SPECIFICATIONS
Range of fire – maximum 35km / minimum 10 km

Number of launching tubes – 16

Calibre of rocket projectiles – 220mm

Weight of rocket – 270 to 280 kg

Salvo time – 20 sec

Time to prepare the LV for action – Not more than 3 min

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The Indian PINAKA MLRS is a recent indigenous development, some specs. This system will be a replacement for their BM-21 GRAD systems.


Range: 7 km – 40 km (4.4 – 26 mi)
There are reports that 120km range rockets are being readied for Pinaka use
Rocket Diameter: 214 mm (8.42 in)
Length: 4.95 m (16.24 ft)
Warhead weight: 100 kg (220 lbs)
Total weight: 276 kg (608 lbs)

Features:
  • Based on a Kolos Tatra truck for high mobility and license manufactured by BEML.
  • The truck features a central type regulation system; the driver can adjust the tire pressure to suit the terrain for optimum mobility.
  • Two rocket pods per launcher, with a total of twelve rockets between them.
  • A total of six launchers per battery.
  • Launchers are NBC protected, have their own computerized fire control system, and automatic positioning system.
  • The Pinaka system and the launchers are designed for shoot and scoot fire missions thanks to the use of an inertial navigation system SIGMA 30.
  • A battery of six launchers can neutralize an area of roughly 1000 * 800 meters at 40 km range.
  • The launcher assembly has electromagnetic elevation and traverse, with traverse being 90º left and right of the centerline and elevation up to 55º
  • Rate of Fire for a complete salvo from a launcher is 44 seconds.
  • Salvo Reload time is 4 minutes.
India also possesses larger calibre Russian SMERCH MLRS (300mm calibre).

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Now some of you might be questioning my motive of outlining these MLRS systems from neighbor armies - and it is rather simple. I'm just trying to demonstrate that we may be behind the curve a bit in the neighborhood as far as MLRS systems are concerned.

Further we do not have any manufacturing effort for these types of systems, when these systems are rather simple to manufacture (except the guidance electronics e.g. GPS), for which we can get ToT from China. In numbers, and even in unguided form - these mobile rocket launchers are great for offensive purposes (neutralization of enemy tanks, personnel, formations). I don't know if BOF had plans of manufacturing these, but I think they should have a plan for manufacturing (at least assembling) these as a priority.

We should start with the newer vintage of flexible modular MLRS from China (either 220mm or 122mm calibre rockets),

SR-5
Multiple launch rocket system
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In concept the Chinese SR-5 rocket system is similar to the US HIMARS

Entered service 2013 (?)
Crew 5 men
Dimensions and weight
Weight 25 t
Length ?
Width ?
Height ?
Armament
Caliber 220-mm / 122-mm
Number of tubes 12 / 40
Rocket weight ~ 280 kg / ~ 66 kg
Warhead weight ~ 100 kg / ~ 19 kg
Firing range 70 km / 50 km
Full salvo duration ? / ~ 20 s
Reloading time ~ 10 minutes
Mobility
Engine Deutz diesel
Engine power 517 hp
Maximum road speed 85 km/h
Range 600 km
Maneuverability
Gradient 60%
Side slope 30%
Vertical step ~ 0.6 m
Trench ~ 0.6 m
Fording ~ 1.2 m

The SR-5 multiple launch rocket system is a recent Chinese development. It is a medium-range system. Mock-up of the launcher vehicle was revealed in 2012. The SR-5 is in service with Venezuela and possibly some other countries.

In concept the SR-5 is similar to the US HIMARS. It is based on a 6x6 truck chassis and uses modular interchangeable rocket pods. The launcher vehicle has an integrated crane and reloads rocket pods without external help. However the Chinese SR-5 has two rocket pods instead of one. So it has nearly twice the firepower of the HIMARS.

Currently there are two types of pods for the SR-5. It can fire 220-mm and 122-mm rockets. These rockets have different ranges. Rockets are fitted with various warheads, including HE-FRAG, incendiary, smoke and illumination. Also there are cargo warheads with anti-tank or pre-fragmented anti-personnel sub-munitions. Some rockets have a GPS guidance for precision strikes.

Rocket pods are factory-fitted and sealed. These double as transport containers and launchers. A standard 220-mm pod contains 6 rockets. These rockets have a range of up to 70 km.

A 122-mm pod contains 20 rockets. The 122-mm rockets were originally developed for the Soviet BM-21 Grad. This caliber is widely used around the world. China developed and operates a number of 122-mm artillery rocket systems. These rockets have a range of up to 50 km.

Furthermore the SR-5 can carry combination with various rocket pods. It can have one pod with 220-mm rockets and another with 122-mm rockets, making this artillery system more versatile. It is likely that other rockets might be introduced for this system in the future.

The SR-5 launcher is based on a Taian heavy high mobility truck chassis with 6x6 configuration. Vehicle has a double cab and carries the crew of 5 men. It can stop and launch rockets within 5 minutes from travelling. Vehicle can leave firing position within 1 minute, which makes it harder to hit by counter-battery fire.

Reloading is made by the crew within approximately 10 minutes. Reload rocket pods are carried by escorting cross-country truck. Typically a truck carries 4 pods (two sets of reloads). Reloading of any MLRS system usually takes place remotely from firing position in order to avoid counter-battery fire.

Each SR-5 launcher can operate autonomously or in larger formations.
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Further to my description of automated and modular SR5 MLRS system (Chinese version of US Army HIMARS), NORINCO also offers a dedicated heavier 300mm calibre multiple rocket launcher known locally as the PHL03, also known as Type 03 or AR2 for export. This is a Chinese version of the Russian BM-30 Smerch - also a 300mm calibre rocket launcher in large use. IMHO we should also induct a few battalions ourselves.

The Russian Smerch rockets have a 90-km. range. The PHL03 firing range has now improved to 100 (some sources say 150 km). The type of warheads available include HE-FRAG and cluster warheads with anti-armor and anti-personnel sub-munitions.

This system is in service with Morocco (one battalion with 36 units). There are reports that Pakistan may possess a further development of this 300mm Chinese MLRS system (AR1A locally or A100 for export with 10 tubes). See last image below. One battalion may be in service already and Pakistan may also possess ToT for local production.

By the looks of it the AR1A (A100) has a modular load and may prove to be quicker to reload to fire a second or consequent salvos.

A reloading vehicle is fitted with a hydraulic crane and carries 12 reload rockets. Reloading usually takes place remotely from firing position, to avoid counter-battery fire.

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phl03_l3.jpg
phl03_l4.jpg


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rome333 said:
How come a Israeili system in BD arsenal?
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so we have a israhell zionist arms now we are buying a lot then last time communication staff or something

then i dont think we are far from buying more . we should go for the f16 they will give a excellent deal then
 
bdslph said:
so we have a israhell zionist arms now we are buying a lot then last time communication staff or something

then i dont think we are far from buying more . we should go for the f16 they will give a excellent deal then
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If we could ignone geo-politics then f16 is a great option. But unfortunately thats not the case!
 
bdslph said:
so we have a israhell zionist arms now we are buying a lot then last time communication staff or something

then i dont think we are far from buying more . we should go for the f16 they will give a excellent deal then
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F16 (and accessories like missiles) comes with so many strings. They can stop supply of parts for anything including engines at flimsy pretexts. Not worth it.
 
Bilal9 said:
F16 (and accessories like missiles) comes with so many strings. They can stop supply of parts for anything including engines at flimsy pretexts. Not worth it.
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You aint getting bvraam with them right. USA wont selll their most advanced weapons. They want us to fight non state actors. Ands thats about it.

This same USA almost crippled all middle eastern armies who have one of those biggest military budgets.
 
my question is why are we buying staff from israel are w going to have a bigger deal with them
 
TopCat said:
You aint getting bvraam with them right. USA wont selll their most advanced weapons. They want us to fight non state actors. Ands thats about it.

This same USA almost crippled all middle eastern armies who have one of those biggest military budgets.
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True. I hadn't thought deeply about this....
 

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