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A different perspective explaining why the civil war started in Syria and the unlikely alliance of Iran and Russia. A must read for those who are interested in strategy.


Assad's victory in Aleppo will further solidify the Iran-led resistance bloc.

Mohammed Nuruzzaman
December 20, 2016

President Bashar al-Assad has emerged victorious in the battle for Aleppo, after five years of fighting, killings and widespread destruction. It is the greatest victory for the government, and severest blow to the rebels, in the bloody civil war so far. Many commentators view the quick collapse of eastern Aleppo as the end of a long drawn out revolutionary episode unleashed by the Arab Spring, a disgraceful defeat of the prodemocracy forces and their regional and extraregional supporters. The meaning and significance of the rebels’ elimination, in fact, go much deeper than that, and may be the prelude to a new Middle East regional order.

The quick fall of Aleppo into government hands raises a series of questions. First off, the Syrian prodemocracy movement, like its counterparts in Tunisia, Libya or Egypt, has been depicted as a fight between a brutal, unpopular autocratic regime and democratic forces. Certainly, the Assad government is an authoritarian regime, but there are doubts that all Syrian people view it that way. As recently as December 12, instead of rising up against the regime offensive in eastern Aleppo, people in western Aleppo burst into street celebrations at the news that the rebels were on the verge of total defeat and the liberation of eastern Aleppo was imminent. That President Assad enjoys significant popular support can hardly be denied, whatever the Western and pro-Western media may say.

Secondly, anti-government rebel groups portend no hope for a future democratic Syria; any democratic hope is a sham hope for the Syrians. There is great confusion about the patterns of political alignment and realignment in the war. Though initially branded a democratic revolution, and subsequently rebranded a humanitarian case, the different rebel groups hardly uphold democratic values and ideals. The Al Qaeda–linked Jabhat al-Nusra, which has recently changed its name to Jabhat Fatah al-Sham to mark its parting from the parent organization, is clearly not a group fighting for democracy in Syria. The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood fighters, backed by Qatar and Turkey, are not definitively inspired by Western democratic ideals either. And the Islamic State, with territorial control over the two provinces of Raqqa and Deir al-Zour, is against Western democracy in its convictions and practices. Thirdly, more confusion shrouds the nature of the rebels’ regional supporters who are, by all means, authoritarian, hereditary regimes and often accused of violating basic human rights. Their much-publicized financial, military and diplomatic support for the so-called democratic forces in Syria, but not in Bahrain or Yemen, is simply a political shell game. Turkey, a major regional stakeholder in Syria, is also gradually taking a slide down the authoritarian road, a process set in motion after the July 15 military coup against President Erdoğan.

No less ironic is the American and European role in Syria. The Obama administration has beefed up efforts, in coordination with Iran, to degrade, if not totally eliminate, Islamic State fighters in Iraq; it has also sought to dismantle the Iran- and Russia-supported Assad government, which is fighting against the same Islamic State and other radical Islamic groups, including Jabhat Fatah al-Sham. Many a commentator keeps wondering why and how the radical Islamic forces in Iraq are America’s enemies, while the same forces in Syria are simultaneously America’s allies. That is not the end of the story. In Libya, in the run up to topple the Qaddafi government in 2011, the United States and NATO worked hand-in-glove with the now-defunct Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an Al Qaeda–affiliated organization that the United States had listed as a terrorist outfit in 2004 but that was delisted by the State Department in 2012.

America has an unsavory record of working with nondemocratic, radical forces while posing itself as a democratic behemoth to the gullible worldwide. The French far-right leader Marine Le Pen, addressing the European Parliament in early October, further exposed this ugly side of the West by accusing the European Union of throwing Syria into total chaos. She asserted: “You’ve done everything to bring down the government of Syria, throwing the country into a terrible civil war.” The West bluntly charges Syria and its allies Iran and Russia with violations of human rights and war crimes, which are largely true, while forgetting its own complicity in the crimes against the Syrians.

The Gas Pipeline War

In reality, rhetoric about democracy or humanitarian causes in Syria is a cover-up for geopolitical interests, a struggle for power and influence by various mutually hostile parties in the wider Middle Eastern context. This is by an old game of realpolitik that has been playing out since the end of World War I. In Syria, the game assumed a tragic dimension because of its strategic location and significance as an inevitable part of two proposed competing oil and gas pipeline routes from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean to supply cheap gas to European markets. In that sense, the Syrian war is seen by many as a gas pipeline war, with roots going down to the first oil war over Kuwait in 1990–91, and the second over Iraq in 2003–11.

The Gulf rivals (Iran versus Qatar and Saudi Arabia) drew up their respective supply route plans in the early 2000s, to capture a share in the European oil and gas markets, currently dominated by Russia. The proposed Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline route, first floated in 2000 and backed by the United States, would run from Qatar to Turkey via Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. Gas from the South Pars/North Dome gas field in the Persian Gulf, jointly owned by Iran and Qatar, would flow through the pipeline and provide Europe with cheap fuels. The Qatari pipeline proposal posed direct threats to both Iranian and Russian interests. Iran, reeling under international sanctions until recently, saw it as a Qatari plan to exploit and profit disproportionately from the joint gas field and further contain the Iranians, an objective that Saudi Arabia has been seeking wholeheartedly for a long time. Russia viewed it as an existential threat, a Gulf Arab and American plot to deprive it of revenues generated through oil and gas supplies to Europe, weaken its economy, and isolate it from the Middle East. To counter the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, Iran, with Russian backing, proposed an alternative pipeline, connecting Iran’s side of the gas field to Lebanon’s seaports on the Mediterranean through Iraq and Syria. The Iranian pipeline proposal was soon rejected by opponents, since it would enrich Iran, increase Tehran’s influence in Europe and the Middle East, and strengthen its ally Hezbollah, which Israel considers a serious threat to its security and survival.

In 2009, President Bashar al-Assad, an ally of both Iran and Russia, refused to sign the Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline agreement and enraged both Doha and Ankara by clearly siding with Russia. He decided not to allow this gas pipeline to run through Syria, “to protect the interests of our Russian ally.” But neither Qatar and Turkey nor Europe and America gave up hope of constructing the gas pipeline someday. The opportune moment for them, it seems, arrived with the outbreak of prodemocracy protest movements in Syria in March 2011. Gulf Arab states, Turkey, Europe and America soon sided with the anti-Assad forces, while Iran and Russia chose to prop up the Assad government, all parties being driven by their pipeline-centric geopolitical interests, among other factors.

In the last five years, the conflict between the two rival groups remained almost deadlocked, but the fall of Aleppo to the Iran-Russia-Syria alliance has opened the door for significant strategic change in the whole Middle East region.

New Strategic Changes in the Middle East

The Aleppo victory gives the Iran-Russia-Syria alliance an upper hand in regional affairs for the first time and probably for the foreseeable future. The Syrian Civil War is all but over, with the Assad government currently controlling major urban areas and some 80 percent of the total population. The rebels may continue their feeble presence in the rural areas and create the occasional nuisance, but their hopes of capturing power in Damascus are dashed for good. The Assad government, democratic or not, has won the day. Neither Russia nor Iran would be willing to loosen their military control to allow the rebels to mount offensives on the government and spoil their hard-fought victory.

From a strategic viewpoint, Assad’s victory effectively nullifies the planned construction of the Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline to sell Gulf gas in European markets and marginalize Russian influence. That means Europe must live with a resurgent Russia until reliable alternative sources of oil and gas are found, often allowing Moscow to use due or undue economic and political leverages.

The Aleppo victory may also be a mythbuster. The belief that the U.S. role in the Middle East is unchallengeable is now shattered. Iran and Russia are the victors at the moment. If strategic solidarity between Moscow and Tehran continues to consolidate as a common front against the United States, which seems very likely in view of their close military cooperation and morale-boosting triumph in Syria, they are set to shape the course of future developments in the region. The post-1979 regional balance of power that the United States has so far maintained, by preserving the two anti-Iran pillars of Israel and Saudi Arabia, is about to collapse. This would be no less than a tectonic shift from a West-dominated Middle East to an Iranian- and Russian-dominated Middle East. Together with this shift may come an end to America’s policy of regime change, a policy that gained wide publicity with the overthrow of the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq in May 2003. Iraqi- or Libyan-style regime change through force in the future has a slim possibility of succeeding, since Moscow and Tehran may refuse to let that happen, for security and strategic reasons.

The Iranians, it seems, stand to benefit more from the defeat of their foes in Syria. In the past few weeks, Tehran has scored a number of points against its regional archrival Saudi Arabia. In Lebanon, the March 14 Alliance, led by the late prime minister Rafik Hariri’s son Saad Hariri, himself a former prime minister, has accepted the Iran-backed Hezbollah ally Michel Aoun as the president of the country after a long tussle of more than two years over the issue. Iran’s continued refusal to cut oil production to stabilize global oil prices, on the grounds of its major market losses under the U.S.-led sanctions regime, finally forced Saudi Arabia to exempt it from production cuts under a recently concluded OPEC deal. What is more, the rebels’ defeat in Aleppo seems to deal a parting blow to the Saudis, as they remain stuck in a quagmire in Yemen.

Setting aside any of Tehran’s scoring points against Riyadh, the victory in Aleppo is a big step to further solidify the Iran-led resistance bloc. Pro-Iran Shia militias in Iraq, Hezbollah in Lebanon and pro-Assad forces in Syria are part and parcel of the resistance bloc. The successful war in Iraq against the Islamic State and the fight against the anti-Assad rebels in Syria have emboldened the resistance bloc, making it confident of victory against the regional foes. With Russia on its side (though Moscow denies being a part of the resistance bloc), the resistance bloc looks indomitable. This is what makes the Saudis, the Israelis and the Turks worry about Iran. Riyadh and Tel Aviv strongly opposed the nuclear deal between Iran and the United States signed in July last year, precisely to undercut the rise and power of the resistance bloc. They are scared of how Iran might use the resistance bloc in a new context to stabilize or destabilize the Middle East region. In other words, they see the elevation of Iran in an influential position as disastrous to their national interests. But the reality is that the resistance bloc is here to stay, thwarting challenges to Iran and its allies. To put it briefly, Iranian power cannot but be reckoned with, and with good reason.

Mohammed Nuruzzaman is associate professor of international relations at Gulf University for Science and Technology in West Mishref, Kuwait.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/aleppo-falls-iran-rises-18798
 
Very interesting but I don't believe what's happening in Syria is a Civil War!

All the groups in there are funded, supplied & supported by foreign countries and many of them are even led by none Syrians! What kind of Civil war is that?

And all Iran, Russia & Syria had to do was pluck out Turkey from their mix and the so called civil war started to collapse! It seems as soon as Iran & Russia showed the Turkish government the facts on the ground they slowly started to accept they were wrong but since they have opened the doors to the crazy's even without publicly admitting it they are getting blowbacks and now they have to get their little propagandists to sit on Erdogan's lap as if she was never in Turkey all along! LOL!

In Iraq a few thousand armed gangs take a city of a million and their are depraved and crazy's all over the world in every city that's willing to kill to get sex slaves so they add to their ranks! It doesn't make it a civil war!

And clearly the more they portray Iran as this big bogyman the more weapons they can sell the Saudi's!!!!!!!!!! Iran & Iraq are natural allies and the Saudi's are freaking out because they can't accept it and the more they push the closer Iran & Iraq will get! Iraq belongs to Iraqi's NOT to the Saudi's & not to us!

Saudi's think they somehow own every country that speaks Arabic even the Egyptians are getting sick of it!
 
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Turkey FM Cavusoglu: foreign groups Hezbollah need to leave Syria&Iran DM Dehqan respond سردار دهقان


چاووش اوغلو وزیر امور خارجه ترکیه: حزب الله باید خاک سوریه ترک کند و پاسخ سردار دهقان به ان
اخیرا وزیر امور خارجه ترکیه آقای چاووش اوغلو در نشست خبری مسکو بعد از اجلاس سه جانبه وزرای خارجه ایران، روسیه و ترکیه در مورد آتش بس گفتند که آتش بس حتی باید شامل نیروهای حزب الله لبنان هم باشد و ایران را دعوت کرد به توقف حمایتش از حزب الله لبنان؛ آیا ایران قبول می کند تا حزب الله لبنان ملزم به آتش بس شود ؟ من فکر می کنم ترکیه باید به یک سوال جواب بدهد؛ قبل از اینکه بخواهند نسبت به دیگران قضاوت کنند یا خواسته ای داشته باشند آیا ورود آنها به خاک سوریه با درخواست دولت سوریه بوده است؟ یا تصمیم خودشان بوده؟ اگر با درخواست دولت سوریه بوده باید هر زمانی هم که دولت سوریه خواست آنها خارج شوند اگر درخواست دولت سوریه هم نبوده آنها متجاوزند و یک متجاوز نمی تواند حقی برای خودش قائل باشد؛ روسیه و ایران به دعوت دولت رسمی حاکم بر سوریه که دولت قانونی، مشروع و دولت منتخب مردم است به آنجا رفتند.
هر زمانی که دولت سوریه نیازی به همراهی نداشته باشد ایران و روسیه ادعایی برای ماندن ندارند من فکر می کنم آقای وزیر خارجه ترکیه به جای اینکه فرافکنی کند مقداری مسئولیت پذیر باشد و ببینید چرا خودشان این فضا را مطرح کردند و چرا این اتفاقات افتاده و اگر آنها خطا نمی کردند امروز خطا هایشان را با خطا نمی خواستند جبران کنند.* چون موضوع حزب الله لبنان را مطرح کردید بعضی منتقدان ورود ایران به جنگ سوریه را به خاطر حزب الله می دانند یعنی ایران نگران بود کریدوری که برای حمایت از حزب الله در سوریه و لبنان دارد را از دست بدهد آیا واقعاً این چنین هست؟ ببینید بحثی که ما در منطقه داریم و حضور ما را معنی دار می کند بحث جبهه مقاومت است. جبهه مقاومتی که در مقابل تجاوز و اشغال گری رژیم غاصب صهیونیستی مقاومت می کند.
طبیعتاً در محور مقاومت حزب الله و سوریه جا می گیرند حتی می توانیم بگوییم حماس هم چنین نقشی را که در جنگ 22 روزه ایفا کرده است. به هر حال آنها مورد هجوم قرار گرفتند و مقاومت کردند و رژیم صهیونیستی را با شکست مواجه ساختند لذا اساساً ما این را اعلام می کنیم و رسماً هم اعلام می کنیم که هر جایی از دنیا هر گروهی که به شکل جدی بخواهد با رژیم اشغالگر صهیونیستی یا توسعه طلبی نظام سلطه مقابله کند ما در کنار او خواهیم بود و به او کمک می کنیم اینکه حالا گفته می شود ما رفتیم به خاطر حزب الله آنجا نیز این طور نیست. دولت سوریه رسماً از ما برای مقابله با این جریان تروریستی دعوت کرده ما هم به حد نیاز در بحث آموزش و مشاوره حضور پیدا کردیم.
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13951008000101
In an interview with broadcaster AHaber, Cavusoglu also said all foreign fighter groups in Syria - including Hezbollah - need to leave the country. His comments come a day after Turkey said it and Russia had prepared an agreement for a ceasefire.
"We are on the verge of an agreement with Russia. If everything goes alright, we will make this agreement. Russia will be the guarantor of the regime," Cavusoglu said, adding the deal could be implemented before the new year.
"Russia and Turkey are guarantors in the agreement being worked on in Ankara. There is nothing final on whether Iran will sign it as a guarantor... All foreign fighters need to leave Syria. Hezbollah needs to return to Lebanon."
Cavusoglu's comments appear to signal tentative progress in talks aimed at reaching a truce. However, Ankara's insistence on the departure of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could complicate negotiations with his biggest backer, Russia.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-ceasefire-idUSKBN14I0H8
 
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Turkey FM Cavusoglu: foreign groups Hezbollah need to leave Syria&Iran DM Dehqan respond سردار دهقان


چاووش اوغلو وزیر امور خارجه ترکیه: حزب الله باید خاک سوریه ترک کند و پاسخ سردار دهقان به ان
اخیرا وزیر امور خارجه ترکیه آقای چاووش اوغلو در نشست خبری مسکو بعد از اجلاس سه جانبه وزرای خارجه ایران، روسیه و ترکیه در مورد آتش بس گفتند که آتش بس حتی باید شامل نیروهای حزب الله لبنان هم باشد و ایران را دعوت کرد به توقف حمایتش از حزب الله لبنان؛ آیا ایران قبول می کند تا حزب الله لبنان ملزم به آتش بس شود ؟ من فکر می کنم ترکیه باید به یک سوال جواب بدهد؛ قبل از اینکه بخواهند نسبت به دیگران قضاوت کنند یا خواسته ای داشته باشند آیا ورود آنها به خاک سوریه با درخواست دولت سوریه بوده است؟ یا تصمیم خودشان بوده؟ اگر با درخواست دولت سوریه بوده باید هر زمانی هم که دولت سوریه خواست آنها خارج شوند اگر درخواست دولت سوریه هم نبوده آنها متجاوزند و یک متجاوز نمی تواند حقی برای خودش قائل باشد؛ روسیه و ایران به دعوت دولت رسمی حاکم بر سوریه که دولت قانونی، مشروع و دولت منتخب مردم است به آنجا رفتند.
هر زمانی که دولت سوریه نیازی به همراهی نداشته باشد ایران و روسیه ادعایی برای ماندن ندارند من فکر می کنم آقای وزیر خارجه ترکیه به جای اینکه فرافکنی کند مقداری مسئولیت پذیر باشد و ببینید چرا خودشان این فضا را مطرح کردند و چرا این اتفاقات افتاده و اگر آنها خطا نمی کردند امروز خطا هایشان را با خطا نمی خواستند جبران کنند.* چون موضوع حزب الله لبنان را مطرح کردید بعضی منتقدان ورود ایران به جنگ سوریه را به خاطر حزب الله می دانند یعنی ایران نگران بود کریدوری که برای حمایت از حزب الله در سوریه و لبنان دارد را از دست بدهد آیا واقعاً این چنین هست؟ ببینید بحثی که ما در منطقه داریم و حضور ما را معنی دار می کند بحث جبهه مقاومت است. جبهه مقاومتی که در مقابل تجاوز و اشغال گری رژیم غاصب صهیونیستی مقاومت می کند.
طبیعتاً در محور مقاومت حزب الله و سوریه جا می گیرند حتی می توانیم بگوییم حماس هم چنین نقشی را که در جنگ 22 روزه ایفا کرده است. به هر حال آنها مورد هجوم قرار گرفتند و مقاومت کردند و رژیم صهیونیستی را با شکست مواجه ساختند لذا اساساً ما این را اعلام می کنیم و رسماً هم اعلام می کنیم که هر جایی از دنیا هر گروهی که به شکل جدی بخواهد با رژیم اشغالگر صهیونیستی یا توسعه طلبی نظام سلطه مقابله کند ما در کنار او خواهیم بود و به او کمک می کنیم اینکه حالا گفته می شود ما رفتیم به خاطر حزب الله آنجا نیز این طور نیست. دولت سوریه رسماً از ما برای مقابله با این جریان تروریستی دعوت کرده ما هم به حد نیاز در بحث آموزش و مشاوره حضور پیدا کردیم.
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13951008000101
In an interview with broadcaster AHaber, Cavusoglu also said all foreign fighter groups in Syria - including Hezbollah - need to leave the country. His comments come a day after Turkey said it and Russia had prepared an agreement for a ceasefire.
"We are on the verge of an agreement with Russia. If everything goes alright, we will make this agreement. Russia will be the guarantor of the regime," Cavusoglu said, adding the deal could be implemented before the new year.
"Russia and Turkey are guarantors in the agreement being worked on in Ankara. There is nothing final on whether Iran will sign it as a guarantor... All foreign fighters need to leave Syria. Hezbollah needs to return to Lebanon."
Cavusoglu's comments appear to signal tentative progress in talks aimed at reaching a truce. However, Ankara's insistence on the departure of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could complicate negotiations with his biggest backer, Russia.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-ceasefire-idUSKBN14I0H8
This whole peace deal is a bit stinky in my mind. First off, it is being called a peace deal brokered by "Russia and Turkey" in western media. There is no name of Iran there and now this. What do you think? @yavar @mohsen @AmirPatriot
 
If the deal is not in interest of Iran, Iran can destroy it in 60 seconds. Few bombs here and there, killing some terrorists and it starts again. Iran is not mentioned Just to calm down some worried westerners.
 
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Turkey FM Cavusoglu: foreign groups Hezbollah need to leave Syria&Iran DM Dehqan respond سردار دهقان


چاووش اوغلو وزیر امور خارجه ترکیه: حزب الله باید خاک سوریه ترک کند و پاسخ سردار دهقان به ان
اخیرا وزیر امور خارجه ترکیه آقای چاووش اوغلو در نشست خبری مسکو بعد از اجلاس سه جانبه وزرای خارجه ایران، روسیه و ترکیه در مورد آتش بس گفتند که آتش بس حتی باید شامل نیروهای حزب الله لبنان هم باشد و ایران را دعوت کرد به توقف حمایتش از حزب الله لبنان؛ آیا ایران قبول می کند تا حزب الله لبنان ملزم به آتش بس شود ؟ من فکر می کنم ترکیه باید به یک سوال جواب بدهد؛ قبل از اینکه بخواهند نسبت به دیگران قضاوت کنند یا خواسته ای داشته باشند آیا ورود آنها به خاک سوریه با درخواست دولت سوریه بوده است؟ یا تصمیم خودشان بوده؟ اگر با درخواست دولت سوریه بوده باید هر زمانی هم که دولت سوریه خواست آنها خارج شوند اگر درخواست دولت سوریه هم نبوده آنها متجاوزند و یک متجاوز نمی تواند حقی برای خودش قائل باشد؛ روسیه و ایران به دعوت دولت رسمی حاکم بر سوریه که دولت قانونی، مشروع و دولت منتخب مردم است به آنجا رفتند.
هر زمانی که دولت سوریه نیازی به همراهی نداشته باشد ایران و روسیه ادعایی برای ماندن ندارند من فکر می کنم آقای وزیر خارجه ترکیه به جای اینکه فرافکنی کند مقداری مسئولیت پذیر باشد و ببینید چرا خودشان این فضا را مطرح کردند و چرا این اتفاقات افتاده و اگر آنها خطا نمی کردند امروز خطا هایشان را با خطا نمی خواستند جبران کنند.* چون موضوع حزب الله لبنان را مطرح کردید بعضی منتقدان ورود ایران به جنگ سوریه را به خاطر حزب الله می دانند یعنی ایران نگران بود کریدوری که برای حمایت از حزب الله در سوریه و لبنان دارد را از دست بدهد آیا واقعاً این چنین هست؟ ببینید بحثی که ما در منطقه داریم و حضور ما را معنی دار می کند بحث جبهه مقاومت است. جبهه مقاومتی که در مقابل تجاوز و اشغال گری رژیم غاصب صهیونیستی مقاومت می کند.
طبیعتاً در محور مقاومت حزب الله و سوریه جا می گیرند حتی می توانیم بگوییم حماس هم چنین نقشی را که در جنگ 22 روزه ایفا کرده است. به هر حال آنها مورد هجوم قرار گرفتند و مقاومت کردند و رژیم صهیونیستی را با شکست مواجه ساختند لذا اساساً ما این را اعلام می کنیم و رسماً هم اعلام می کنیم که هر جایی از دنیا هر گروهی که به شکل جدی بخواهد با رژیم اشغالگر صهیونیستی یا توسعه طلبی نظام سلطه مقابله کند ما در کنار او خواهیم بود و به او کمک می کنیم اینکه حالا گفته می شود ما رفتیم به خاطر حزب الله آنجا نیز این طور نیست. دولت سوریه رسماً از ما برای مقابله با این جریان تروریستی دعوت کرده ما هم به حد نیاز در بحث آموزش و مشاوره حضور پیدا کردیم.
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13951008000101
In an interview with broadcaster AHaber, Cavusoglu also said all foreign fighter groups in Syria - including Hezbollah - need to leave the country. His comments come a day after Turkey said it and Russia had prepared an agreement for a ceasefire.
"We are on the verge of an agreement with Russia. If everything goes alright, we will make this agreement. Russia will be the guarantor of the regime," Cavusoglu said, adding the deal could be implemented before the new year.
"Russia and Turkey are guarantors in the agreement being worked on in Ankara. There is nothing final on whether Iran will sign it as a guarantor... All foreign fighters need to leave Syria. Hezbollah needs to return to Lebanon."
Cavusoglu's comments appear to signal tentative progress in talks aimed at reaching a truce. However, Ankara's insistence on the departure of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could complicate negotiations with his biggest backer, Russia.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-ceasefire-idUSKBN14I0H8
Yeah that's never going to happen lol.
 
This whole peace deal is a bit stinky in my mind. First off, it is being called a peace deal brokered by "Russia and Turkey" in western media. There is no name of Iran there and now this. What do you think? @yavar @mohsen @AmirPatriot

I think it's more than obvious. Either the western news outlets don't want to mention Iran as being involved in a peacefull settlement of some sort regarding Syria or, Russia and Turkey have made a decision to leave Iran's hand and part in the settlement out.

Russia is still keeping Iran at arms length while bringing Turkey in closer. It would seem that Turkey plays a bigger role in Russias long term calculations.

But it still seems weird, idk. I still wouldn't trust Russia just yet. They got their own plans and kicking Iran out would seem to be one of them.
 
This whole peace deal is a bit stinky in my mind. First off, it is being called a peace deal brokered by "Russia and Turkey" in western media. There is no name of Iran there and now this. What do you think? @yavar @mohsen @AmirPatriot
Ahrar-Al Sham are being called "moderate" opposition groups. Maybe Iran didn't play such a large part after all.

In any case, the Turks themselves have their actual Army and Air force in Syria, so yet another example of NATO hypocrisy.
 
This whole peace deal is a bit stinky in my mind. First off, it is being called a peace deal brokered by "Russia and Turkey" in western media. There is no name of Iran there and now this. What do you think? @yavar @mohsen @AmirPatriot
things don't seem right because traitors are looking for the second JCPOA!
get your answer from this blunt Iranian general:
سردار قاسمی: استمرار ﺟﻨﮓ ﺳﻮﺭﻳﻪ ﻣﺤﺼﻮﻝ اﺳﺘﻜﺒﺎر و ﺩﻳﭙﻠﻤﺎسی ﺧﻨﺪه است
ﺳﺮﺩاﺭ ﺳﻌﻴﺪ ﻗﺎﺳمی فرمانده دوران دفاع مقدس، ﺩﺭ اﺟﺘﻤﺎﻉ اﻗﺸﺎﺭ ﻣﺨﺘﻠف ﻣﺮﺩﻡ اﻫواﺯ ﺑﻪ ﻣﻨﺎﺳﺒﺖ اﻳﺎﻡ اﻟﻠﻪ 9 ﺩی ﺑﺎ اﺷﺎﺭﻩ ﺑﻪ ﺳﺨﻨﺎﻥ اﺧﻴﺮ ﺁﺷﻨﺎ ﻣﺸﺎﻭﺭ ﺭﺳﺎﻧﻪ‌اﻱ ﺭﻳﻴﺲ ﺟﻣﻬﻮﺭ ﮔﻔﺖ: ﺣﺴﺎﻡ اﻟﺪﻳﻦ ﺁﺷﻨﺎ ﺑﺎ ﻣﺒﺎﻧﻲ ﺗﻔﻜﺮ اﻣﺎﻡ ﺧﻤﻴﻨﻲ (ﺭﻩ) ﻧﺎﺁﺷﻨﺎﺳﺖ و ﻭﻱ ﭼﻨﺪﻱ ﭘﻴﺶ ﺩﺭ ﺗﻮﻳﻴﺖ ﺷﺨﺼﻲ ﺧﻮﺩ نوشته ﺑﻮﺩ ﺑﺎﻳﺪ ﻋﻼﻭﻩ ﺑﺮ ﺳﺮﺩاﺭ ﻗﺎﺳﻢ ﺳﻠﻴﻤﺎﻧﻲ اﺯ ﺩﻛﺘﺮ ﻇﺮﻳﻒ ﻫﻢ ﺑﺮاﻱ ﭘﻴﺮﻭﺯﻱ ﺩﺭ ﺣﻠﺐ ﺗﺸﻜﺮ ﻛﺮﺩ.
ﻗﺎﺳﻤﻲ ادامه داد: ﺣﺘﻤﺎ ﻫﻤﻴﻨﻂﻮﺭ اﺳﺖ و ما ﻫﻢ ﺑﺴﻴﺎﺭ ﻣﺘﺸﻜﺮﻳﻢ ﭼﺮا ﻛﻪ اﺳﺗﻣﺮاﺭ 5 ﺳﺎﻝ ﺟﻨﮓ ﭘﻴﭽﻴﺪﻩ ﺩﺭ ﺳﻮﺭﻳﻪ ﻣﺤﺼﻮﻝ اﺳﺘﻜﺒﺎر ﺟﻬﺎﻧﻲ ، ﺩﻳﭙﻠﻤﺎﺳﻲ ﺧﻨﺪﻩ و ﺿﻌﻴﻒ ﺩاﺧﻞ اﺳﺖ.
این فرمانده دوران دفاع مقدس خاطرنشان کرد: اﻳﻦ ﺩﻳﭙﻠﻤﺎﺳﻲ طی ﭼﻨﺪﻳﻦ ﻣﺮﺣﻠﻪ ﻧﺒﺮﺩ ﺳﺨﺖ ﺩﺭ ﺯﺑﺪاﻧﻲ، ﺣﻤﺺ، ﺣﻤﺎ و ﺗﺪﻣﺮ و اﻳﻦ ﺑﺎﺭ ﺣﻠﺐ، ﻫﺮ ﺑﺎﺭ ﻛﻪ ﺷﻴﺮﻣﺮﺩاﻥ ﻗﺎﺳﻢ ﺳﻠﻴﻤﺎنی و ﺣﺴﻴﻦ ﻫﻤﺪاﻧﻲ ﺗﺮﻭﺭﻳﺴﺖ ﻫﺎﻱ ﺑﻴﻦ اﻟﻤﻠﻠﻲ ﺭا ﺩﺭ ﭘﻨﺠﻪ ﺧﻮﺩ ﻣﺤﺎﺻﺮﻩ می‌کردند و می‌رفتند ﺗﺎ ﺿﺮﺑﻪ ﺁﺧﺮ و ﺗﻴﺮ ﺧﻼﺹ ﺑﻪ ﺟﺮﺛﻮﻣﻪ‌ﻫﺎی اﻳﻦ ﻓﺘﻨﻪ ﺑﺰﺭﮒ ﺑﺰﻧﻨﺪ و ﻛﺎر ﺭا ﻳﻜﺴﺮﻩ ﻛﻨﻨﺪ، ﺳﺎﺯﻣﺎﻧ‌ﻬﺎﻱ ﺑﻴﻦ اﻟﻤﻠﻠﻲ ﻫﻤﮕﺮا ﺑﺎ ﺗﺮﻭﺭﻳﺴﺖ‌ﻫﺎ ﺁﺗﺶ ﺑﺲ ﻓﻮﺭﻱ اﻋﻼﻡ ﻛﺮﺩﻩ و ﺑﺎ ﻣﻴﺎﻧﺪاﺭﻱ ﺟﺎﻧﺒﺪاﺭاﻧﻪ اﺯ ﺁﻧﺎﻥ ﺑﻪ ﻭﺳﻴﻠﻪ اﺗﻮﺑﻮﺳﻬﺎﻱ ﺳﺒﺰ «اﻟﺒﺎﺳﺎﺕ اﻟﺨﻀﺮا» اﻫﺪاﻳﻲ ﻋﺮﺑﺴﺘﺎﻥ و ﻗﻂﺮ ﺁﻧﻬﺎ ﺭا ﺑﻪ ﺑﻬﺎﻧﻪ ﻣﻌﺎﻭﺿﻪ ﺑﺎ ﻣﺮﺩﻡ ﺑﻪ ﮔﺮﻭﮔﺎﻥ ﮔﺮﻓﺘﻪ اﺯ ﻣﻬﻠﻛﻪ می‌رهانند.
وی تصریح کرد: آنها ﺩﻭﺑﺎﺭﻩ ﻫﻤﭽﻨﺎﻥ ﻧﺒﺮﺩ ﺩﺭ ﻧﻘﻂﻪ‌ای ﺩﻳﮕﺮ، این باﺭ ﺩﺭ اﺩﻟﺐ و ﺳﺮ ﺑﺯﻧﮕﺎﻩ، ﻧﺸﺴﺖ ﻇﺮﻳﻒ و اﺭﺩﻭﻏﺎﻥ ﺑﺮاﻱ ﺣﻞ ﻣﺸﻜﻞ ﺳﻮﺭﻳﻪ دارند و اﻳﻦﮔﻮﻧﻪ ﺟﻨﮓ 50 ﺳﺎﻝ ﺩﺭ اﺛﺮ ﺩﻳﭙﻠﻤﺎﺳﻲ ﻓﻌﺎﻝ ﺑﺎﻟﻜﻨﻲ ،اﻳﻤﻴﻠﻲ ،ﺧﻨﺪﻩ و ﺗﻌﺎﻣﻞ‌ﮔﺮ ﻣﻮﺟﺐ اﻣﺘﻨﺎﻥ ﺧﺎﻧﻮاﺩﻩ ﻫﺎﻱ ﺷﻬﺪا ﺧﻮاﻫﺪ ﺷﺪ و ﺑﺎﻳﺪ ﺑﻪ ﻫﻤﻴﻦ ﺟﻬﺖ اﺯ ﺁﻗﺎﻱ ﻇﺮﻳﻒ ﺗﺸﻜﺮ ﻛﺮﺩ
 
This whole peace deal is a bit stinky in my mind. First off, it is being called a peace deal brokered by "Russia and Turkey" in western media. There is no name of Iran there and now this. What do you think?[/USER]

my brother if you look at Syrian war history from back in 2013 in all syrian negotiation whether it was called friends of Syria or Geneva peace talk or crossfire talk ex
from back then the Americans and Turks were saying Iran is not allowed to participate and trying to downplay our roll .even the Russians were not that bothered

but from 2016 all these countries had to ask us to participate . at end of day whomever control ground it will make ultimate decision NOT this deal or that deal or UN
 
my brother if you look at Syrian war history from back in 2013 in all syrian negotiation whether it was called friends of Syria or Geneva peace talk or crossfire talk ex
from back then the Americans and Turks were saying Iran is not allowed to participate and trying to downplay our roll .even the Russians were not that bothered

but from 2016 all these countries had to ask us to participate . at end of day whomever control ground it will make ultimate decision NOT this deal or that deal or UN

And I'm assuming Iran is who has the most control on the ground?
 
I think it's more than obvious. Either the western news outlets don't want to mention Iran as being involved in a peacefull settlement of some sort regarding Syria or, Russia and Turkey have made a decision to leave Iran's hand and part in the settlement out.

Russia is still keeping Iran at arms length while bringing Turkey in closer. It would seem that Turkey plays a bigger role in Russias long term calculations.

But it still seems weird, idk. I still wouldn't trust Russia just yet. They got their own plans and kicking Iran out would seem to be one of them.

Russia economically is not a strong country for them the fastest way forward is to stop the supply of weapons into Syria that means making some concessions with the Turks
For the Russians advertising that Iran & Russia are on the same side in Syria brings no Diplomatic leverage towards west (U.S. & NATO in particular) BUT showing a major NATO Power is colluding with Russia not only brings leverage but it also hurts!!!!

Any country that thinks Iran would give up support for Hezbullah under any circumstances is delusional! If the Russian tomorrow were to offer Iran 200 Su-Pak FA for free as a trade for Iran's support for Hezbullah Iran still wouldn't give up it's support for Hezbuallh!

Turkey's Navy, Army & Air Force may be stronger than Iran's but the fact is their spread of influence in the region in and around their southern borders is far less than Iran's.
Iran has far greater influence in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria & Lebanon. Basically from India & China stretching to the Mediterranean & this makes the Saudi's shiver & the Turks extremely jealous!!!!!

Americans, Turks & the Saudi's think that if they can turn or get Iran to turn on Hezbullah this will cause a domino effect with the rest of Iran's friends & partners and they may be right but knowing that means Iran would have to be suicidal to give up it's support for Hezbullah!

The only chance the west has is to try to bring Iran & it's friends to the western block but the fact is they have shot themselves in the foot with their sanctions & embargo's for almost 40 years now & they still haven't learned their lesson!

I believe the Russians are smarter than that & they know Iranians better but even if they are not! Iran's future is towards the east towards China & India for they will be the next 2 economic powers of the world in the next 20-50 years.
Yes current Russian & American weapons are better but weapons aren't everything & Iran is not now nor will it ever again be a major weapons importer anyways!
 

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