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Arms race between India and Pakistan takes to air

ISLAMABAD: India’s plans to modernise its ageing air force have triggered a tit-for-tat Pakistani programme that could exacerbate strategic tensions in South Asia, officials and analysts told "The National".

Defence analysts said the planned air force expansions were part of an arms race between India and Pakistan that dates back to the 1960s and the height of the Cold War.

The South Asian neighbours, both of which possess nuclear arsenals, have fought three wars and as many regionalised conflicts since gaining independence from British colonial rule in August 1947.

Siemon Wezeman, senior fellow at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s arms transfer programme, said: "Although India and Pakistan deny it, an arms race is on. India wants to become a regional power, and is building its arsenal accordingly, while Pakistan wants to maintain a rough parity for survival" in the event of another conflict.d

His comments came after an announcement by the Pakistani minister for defence, Ahmed Mukhtar, that Pakistan is to acquire 50 advanced JF-17 Thunder warplanes, to be co-produced with China at a factory about 50km west of Islamabad.

The new warplanes would carry an Italian "avionics package" that is far superior to the Chinese technology installed on the 30 aircraft currently being acquired by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), military officials close to the project said.

Two squadrons have been inducted since the first Thunder was manufactured in November 2010, with Pakistan likely to acquire 250 to 300 of the warplanes by 2015, defence analysts said.

Mr Mukhtar said China had also agreed in principle to supply Pakistan with FC-20 warplanes, a comparatively advanced aircraft that is taking over as the vanguard of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force.

Pakistan is initially seeking 36 FC-20s, but any deal would be subject to Beijing being satisfied that the transfer of advanced military technology would not affect its trade relationships with the west, said the military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Defence analysts and former diplomats said the expansion of Pakistani air power is a direct response to India’s plans to acquire 126 state-of-the-art western warplanes, defence analysts said.

Indian officials have said they would place an order this summer, either for the Eurofighter Typhoon or Dassault Rafale warplanes.

New Delhi in April rejected competing bids from US manufacturers, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, causing embarrassment to the administration of the US president Barack Obama, which had lobbied hard for the deal.

India is looking to replace its ageing fleet of Soviet-vintage and French warplanes with Western warplanes and the Sukhoi-30MK1 aircraft, 272 of which are being manufactured in India under a joint venture with Russia. One hundred forty-two of the SU-30 aircraft had been delivered by January.

Similarly, Pakistan is phasing out a fleet of Chinese-built aircraft, based on modified Soviet designs, and French warplanes dating back to the 1980s.

Pakistan also possesses US-made F-16s, including 18 advanced Block 52 models, delivery of which was completed in February, along with upgrade kits for 26 F-16s acquired in the 1980s.

Indian analysts have said the Pakistani F-16 sales were a significant factor in India’s rejection of US bids to supply the 126 new warplanes.

The US seeks to strike a balance in its relations with India and Pakistan, but often ends up annoying both, the analysts said.

US military sales to Pakistan are frequently criticised by India’s government, while Pakistan regularly complains about the US agreement in 2008 to supply nuclear-power technology to India.

China has also opposed the nuclear deal, because of its strategic competition with India for influence in Asia, the analysts said.

Competing international strategic partners continue to back either South Asian side,- a scenario reminiscent of the Cold War, the analysts said.

They also said India has the support of Russia and the west, while China backs Pakistan.

Akram Zaki, formerly Pakistan’s chief diplomat, said: "After the US nuclear deal with India, China came to the conclusion that the stability of Pakistan is in its national interest.

"In ideological terms, China wants peace and stability in South Asia, but that is only possible if the imbalance created by the US’s extraordinary support to India is to some extent corrected".

Mr Zaki said that China’s strategic philosophy was to make Pakistan "as far as is possible" self-sufficient in the production of defence equipment.

The analysts said competing strategic objectives in Asia of the west and China would continue to fuel arms purchases by India and Pakistan.

Chinese defence co-operation with Pakistan would reflect US policy on China, they said.

"It has a lot to do with how the Democrats and Republicans have seen China and its rise, and what policy is going to come from Washington: containment or constrainment," said Maria Sultan, director of the South Asian Strategic Stability Institute, a London-based think tank.

India’s expansion of its defence capability is also increasingly aimed at the Sino-Pakistan alliance, the analysts said.

"China and Pakistan are a potential threat to India. That’s why it is willing to do anything to enhance its [military] capabilities," Mr Wezeman said

ONLINE - International News Network

i've posted this thread also in the Military Aviation thread
 
Rate of induction is increasing rapidly to counter china, pakistan just acquiring 250 jft is not competition with India , jft is cheap so they are inducting more and more aircrafts, but we see quality like mki's and mrca's.
 
That's the reason why i'm against EFT, since Alenia Aeronautica is the manufacturer of the avionics for EFT.
 
how many jf -17 is currently available vd pakistan
 
That's the reason why i'm against EFT, since Alenia Aeronautica is the manufacturer of the avionics for EFT.



I disagree, In fact we should go all out for EFT and make it a point and stress that the picking EFT depends on how much the Italians are going to help the Pakistani's. I have noticed a lot of Pakistani tech is obtained thru Italy like radars, UAVs, mini subs, etc. We need to nip this ASAP
 
india is in high pressure by plaaf & paf modernisation programmes
plaaf is inducting j-10b,j-11b,h-6k bomber & russian su-35 jets
some j-15,xian h-8 j-20 also in production
where as paf is increasing f-16s to 150
fc-20 (j-10b) also to 150
250 jf-17 be inducted with in 3 years
we have also the option of j-20
 
india is in high pressure by plaaf & paf modernisation programmes
plaaf is inducting j-10b,j-11b,h-6k bomber & russian su-35 jets
some j-15,xian h-8 j-20 also in production
where as paf is increasing f-16s to 150
fc-20 (j-10b) also to 150
250 jf-17 be inducted with in 3 years
we have also the option of j-20

LOL... PAF has some 60F-16...Is the US ready to sale 90 more F-16s to pakistan??
 
india is in high pressure by plaaf & paf modernisation programmes
plaaf is inducting j-10b,j-11b,h-6k bomber & russian su-35 jets
some j-15,xian h-8 j-20 also in production
where as paf is increasing f-16s to 150
fc-20 (j-10b) also to 150
250 jf-17 be inducted with in 3 years
we have also the option of j-20

250 jf-17 in three years. even US also cant make it

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j 20 in production??????

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su-35 to paf wow great news.:what:
 
250 jf-17 in three years. even US also cant make it

---------- Post added at 12:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:35 PM ----------

j 20 in production??????

---------- Post added at 12:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:36 PM ----------

su-35 to paf wow great news.:what:

also reports say that PAF is interested in 36 J-10B i dont know where he got the 150 figure :cheesy:
 
india is in high pressure by plaaf & paf modernisation programmes
plaaf is inducting j-10b,j-11b,h-6k bomber & russian su-35 jets
some j-15,xian h-8 j-20 also in production
where as paf is increasing f-16s to 150

fc-20 (j-10b) also to 150
250 jf-17 be inducted with in 3 years
we have also the option of j-20

I dont know whether u are an innocent fanboy or just an average troll
regarding your projection of Paf
most of which are beyond financial and production capability of pakistan

lets just see the figure of 150 F16 which u have mentioned
currently PAF has like 62 F16 , any increase in this number is subject to American approval whether u buy them through US EDA or from any other sources

second figure regarding 150 odd J10B
well Paf only has a preliminary agreement with chinis to buy 36 of these aircrafts starting in the yr 2014 , any future procurement will depend on financial position of pakistan and amt of loan china is willing to provide

Third figure regarding JF 17 , well current contract is for 150 JF17 , to be delivered in 3 batches
out of which pakistan is buying two batches of 50 aircraft each , through soft loan from china

also , currently Paf has like 30 JF17 , and to say that u will induct 220 more aircrafts in 3 yrs is beyond the production and financial capability of pak ,
since that figure would mean that pakistan will induct 50 % more aircraft than china and twice as many aircraft as india during the same period
 
I dont know whether u are an innocent fanboy or just an average troll
regarding your projection of Paf
most of which are beyond financial and production capability of pakistan

lets just see the figure of 150 F16 which u have mentioned
currently PAF has like 62 F16 , any increase in this number is subject to American approval whether u buy them through US EDA or from any other sources

second figure regarding 150 odd J10B
well Paf only has a preliminary agreement with chinis to buy 36 of these aircrafts starting in the yr 2014 , any future procurement will depend on financial position of pakistan and amt of loan china is willing to provide

Third figure regarding JF 17 , well current contract is for 150 JF17 , to be delivered in 3 batches
out of which pakistan is buying two batches of 50 aircraft each , through soft loan from china

also , currently Paf has like 30 JF17 , and to say that u will induct 220 more aircrafts in 3 yrs is beyond the production and financial capability of pak ,
since that figure would mean that pakistan will induct 50 % more aircraft than china and twice as many aircraft as india during the same period

Why dive into all those details when many Indians also make outrageous and unrealistic claims about producing military hardware
 
let us get back to the topic

there is no arms race between india , pak and chin

all these countries have large inventory of 3/3.5 gen fighters which will need to be replaced over next 10 yrs

India has 390 such aircrafts which will be replaced by some 370 new fighters to be inducted
similarly pak has like 280 junk fighters which will be replaced by some 256 new fighters , whle china has some 7OO old fighters which will be replaced by some 600 modern fighters
 
Why dive into all those details when many Indians also make outrageous and unrealistic claims about producing military hardware

Hindustan aeronautics limited ie HAL has 40 yrs experience in manufacturing aircrafts and its current production capacity stands at 38 fighters and 50 helicopters a yr , out of which it is currently manufacturing 28 MKI and 30 Dhruv HElicopters a yr

How can he claim that PAC can deliver 220 aircraft in 3 yrs ie at 73 JF17 a yr which is more than current production rate of lockheed martin , Boing and United aircraft corp of Russia , not to mention Chengdu aircraft corp of china
 

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