Al-Khalid 2

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  1. master_fx
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    wat do u guys think of type 98/99mbt???
    coz i personally dont think china will leave junks for themselves..........

    btw there arent any real allies or enemies out there it all changes from time to time u guys have to depend on urself....... :cool:
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    We don&#39;t use APC&#39;s, we have ICVs. These two types of vehicles are of a different class.
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    Correctly stated. For people who are novice about these terms; APC is Armoured Personnel Carrier while an ICV is an Infantry Combat Vehicle.
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    To educate them further:
    APC
    Personnel capacity: 2+10 plus or minus 1 person depending on the model.
    Armament: 1x 12.7 or 14.5 mm MG.
    Cannot hold ground.

    ICV
    Personnel capacity: 3+7 plus or minus 1 depending on the model
    Armament:
    Main Gun: 25mm/30mm/100mm
    ATGM: Tube launched/ barrel launched.
    Coaxial MG: 7.62mm
    Can hold ground and can supplement armour.
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    What the?? I never said anything about an unconventional tank. What I did say was that the Tank should only be equiped to fight in conventional environment (that is not be equiped to fight in a nuclear wasteland). An NBC kit equips the tank to fight in a Nuclear environment.

    Why? Because it would be a better strategy to improve Ballistics of missiles and its survivability.
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    You can make unconventional easily by arming it with Photon torpedos and equipping it with borg shield modulation, also dont forget the warp engines :)
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    Can any one sum up the expected modifications on Ak2, with some illustrated drawings would help a lot. Personally i dont like idea of an autoloader at all, as it may be subject to malfunction easily if hit and the ammunition is kept near the loader rather than in a seperate compartment, i fear for the crew safety.

    i dont know is it carousel based autoloaders? then there are some worry points
    • The ammunition is placed inside the fighting compartment and by the very nature of the design can neither be satisfactorily protected nor equipped with efficient blast venting measures. The autoloader is also susceptible to accidental damage by the crew.
    • The round follows a fairly complex path during loading, which reduces the loading speed and increases the risk of malfunction, especially if a round or autoloader are noncompliant due to damage or misalignment.
    • Placement of autoloader under the turret ring prevents decreasing the height of the tank and lowering crew placement.
    • The carousel autoloader layout puts serious limitations on the dimensions of the rounds that can be accomodated. The capacity of the autoloader is also limited due to an inefficient storage of cylindrical ammo.
    any ideas if the new ak2 will have these propabilities solved?
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    Upgrade engine?
    -Yes a No. The 1200hp original engine is still considered a good one, especially when you compare to Indias T-90 and T-72's 730hp.:cool:

    Improved optical/thermal sights from Ukraine?
    -Yes, Ukraine has already fitted their T-84 mbts with western optical sights, SAGEM 15 (Used by the Leclerc and Challenger 2) in a bid for the next Turkish tank. They already have the tech know-how, and a boost from western optical sights and FCS would be very much helpful for PA. A recognition range of 4km with western optics over 2km is a major difference between life and death.

    The 125mm smoothbore gun is fine imho, Ukraine is known to produce better guns and engine than the Russians. Lets not forget that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was left with a large stockpile of war machine and military inddutries; Nuclear weapons, cruise/ballistic missiles, Flankers, Migs, Navy carrier, ships and tons of armor technology and engineers left behind for them. Dont worry Pakistan knows what they are dealing with when going to the UK's for military technology.:thumbsup:


    T-90 = Russian upgrade to the T-72 series.

    T-84 = Ukraine upgrade to the T-80 series.
    -Both are entirely different tanks and turrent design isnt similar from one another.

    Just improve the FCS, optical sights, a more modern data communication/navigation system and armor and the AK2 will be just fine imho.
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    As far as I know the Indian T90 tanks are without top tech. And indeed the T versions of Ukrain are different with the Russian versions.

    About El Khaled. It is speed, low observation, Kombat anti tank missile, light and all parts are in Pakistan if needed. Indian tanks are not that handy...
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    When you say without top technology could you be more specific?
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    er....dude, indias T-90s are fitted with a lot of French Systems as well.
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    T-90S MAIN BATTLE TANK, RUSSIA

    The T-90S is the latest development in the T-series of Russian tanks and represents an increase in firepower, mobility and protection. It is manufactured by Nizhnyi Tagil of the Russian Federation.
    The T-90S is in service with the Russian Army and the Indian Army. In February 2001, the Indian Army signed a contract for 310 T-90S tanks. 124 were completed in Russia and the rest are being delivered in "knocked down/semi-knocked down" form for final assembly in India. The first of these was delivered in January 2004. The locally-assembled tanks are christened "Bhishma". The tanks are fitted with the Shtora self-protection system and thermal imagers from Thales of France and Peleng of Belarus.
    In January 2005, it was announced that a further 91 T-90S tanks would be procured for the Russian Army. 31 are due to be delivered in 2006.
    ARMAMENT
    The T-90S armament includes one 125mm 2A46M smoothbore gun, stabilised in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes.
    The T-90S gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100m to 4,000m and takes 11.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4kg. The guns automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.
    Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7mm air defence machine gun. A 5.45mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.
    SELF-PROTECTION
    The T-90 tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour (ERA).
    The T-90 is fitted with the Shtora-1 defensive aids suite which is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerised control system.
    It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
    FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION
    The T-90S has the 1A4GT integrated fire control system (IFCS) which is automatic but with manual override for the commander. The IFCS contains the gunner's 1A43 day fire control system, gunner's TO1-KO1 thermal imaging sight which has a target identification range of 1.2km to 1.5km and commander's PNK-S sight.
    The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabiliser, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
    The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800m (day) and 700m (night).
    The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.
    PROPULSION
    The T-90S has a liquid-cooled V-84MS 618kW (840 hp) four-stroke V-12 piston engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armour plating.
    The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5m of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
    The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at one, two and six road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.
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    This is confirmed news.
    $600million worth deal signed between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for the purchase of Al - Khalid MBT 2000. It is worth remembering that Saudi Arabia is currently a huge exporter of American technology.
    Secondly according to some international sources, Pakistani Al - Khalid and Chinese T - 98 will receive Maximum orders and all these british, Israeli, French, German and American tanks will suffer because of this.
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    I havent read about the pak o audi deal

    But regarding the Al khalid and T98,they are suppose to make 45% of the tank market along with T 90.
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    Crown Prince Sultan bibn Abdulaziz came here week ago. the agreement was signed then. negotiations continued for two years.