A Commando's Instinct

[Windjammer]

Musharraf 'spent a night in India ahead of Kargil conflict'

Weeks before hostilities erupted between Indian and Pakistani troops in the Kargil sector in 1999, Gen. Pervez Musharraf crossed the Line of Control in a helicopter and spent a night at a location 11 km inside Indian territory, a former aide to the military ruler has said.

Col (retd) Ashfaq Hussain, who was a senior officer in the Pakistan Army's media arm, said Musharraf flew across the LoC on March 28, 1999 and travelled 11 km into the Indian side.

Musharraf, who was accompanied by Brig. Masood Aslam, then commander of 80 Brigade, spent the night at a spot called Zikria Mustaqar, where Pakistani troops were present.

Former Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf

Musharraf, who was then army chief, returned the next day. Hussain first made the revelation in his book Witness to Blunder: Kargil Story Unfolds, which was published in 2008. He repeated the assertion on Thursday on a TV talk show on the Kargil episode in the wake of Lt Gen. (retd) Shahid Aziz's assertion that the intrusions by Pakistani troops were planned by a group of four generals led by Musharraf.

He further said Pakistani troops first intruded into the Indian side of the LoC on December 18, 1998, when Captains Nadeem and Ali and Havaldar Lalik Jan were sent on a reconnaissance mission. They were never told about the aims and objectives of their mission. Even for the recce, they were not provided any briefing or objectives.

Shortly after this, several units were told to cross the LoC and occupy positions on the Indian side. Many units competed with each other to go further into the Indian side.

The intrusions were spotted by a shepherd who informed Indian troops, he said. Like the initial reconnaissance mission, there were no aims or objectives set out for the entire Kargil operation, which was masterminded by Maj. Gen. Javed Hassan, then chief of the Force Command Northern Areas, Hussain said.

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[Windjammer]

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[Providence]

Musharraf 'spent a night in India ahead of Kargil conflict'

Weeks before hostilities erupted between Indian and Pakistani troops in the Kargil sector in 1999, Gen. Pervez Musharraf crossed the Line of Control in a helicopter and spent a night at a location 11 km inside Indian territory, a former aide to the military ruler has said.

Col (retd) Ashfaq Hussain, who was a senior officer in the Pakistan Army's media arm, said Musharraf flew across the LoC on March 28, 1999 and travelled 11 km into the Indian side.

Musharraf, who was accompanied by Brig. Masood Aslam, then commander of 80 Brigade, spent the night at a spot called Zikria Mustaqar, where Pakistani troops were present.

Former Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf

Musharraf, who was then army chief, returned the next day. Hussain first made the revelation in his book Witness to Blunder: Kargil Story Unfolds, which was published in 2008. He repeated the assertion on Thursday on a TV talk show on the Kargil episode in the wake of Lt Gen. (retd) Shahid Aziz's assertion that the intrusions by Pakistani troops were planned by a group of four generals led by Musharraf.

He further said Pakistani troops first intruded into the Indian side of the LoC on December 18, 1998, when Captains Nadeem and Ali and Havaldar Lalik Jan were sent on a reconnaissance mission. They were never told about the aims and objectives of their mission. Even for the recce, they were not provided any briefing or objectives.

Shortly after this, several units were told to cross the LoC and occupy positions on the Indian side. Many units competed with each other to go further into the Indian side.

The intrusions were spotted by a shepherd who informed Indian troops, he said. Like the initial reconnaissance mission, there were no aims or objectives set out for the entire Kargil operation, which was masterminded by Maj. Gen. Javed Hassan, then chief of the Force Command Northern Areas, Hussain said.

Read more: Musharraf spent a night in India ahead of Kargil | Daily Mail Online
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To win over an enemy you will need to start respecting him as an enemy first !

 

[Windjammer]

To win over an enemy you will need to start respecting him as an enemy first !

Or as the Red Indian saying goes, only a warrior knows how to respect another warrior.

 

[Providence]

Or as the Red Indian saying goes, only a warrior knows how to respect another warrior.

True words brother !

This is applicable more than ever in history of wars.

 

[Levina]

Musharraf 'spent a night in India ahead of Kargil conflict

I think I have read this a hundred times on PDF.
Could we be more innovative???

I'm assuming he was being sarcastic.

 

[Maarkhoor]

I think I have read this a hundred times on PDF.
Could we be more innovative???

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I'm assuming he was being sarcastic.

more inovative means we should start a thread on this

Cowardice of Maj Gen Niranjan Prasad, GOC 15th Indian Infantry Division. Here are some extracts from Chapter 8 (‘Of Cowardice and Panic’) of the book “1965 War, the Inside Story (Defence Minister Y.B. Chavan’s Diary of India-Pakistan War)”.
“Maj Gen Niranjan Prasad had generally a poor record in operational command. In NEFA during 1962 operations and later while commanding Infantry Division at Rajouri, he had been found deficient. Despite Harbaksh Singh requesting Gen Chaudhuri to replace him, the Chief disregarded the suggestion.
“Utter confusion prevailed in the operations of 15 Division and by the evening of 8 September, situation was indeed pathetic. The Divisional Commander had just managed to evade capture. The Commanding Officers of two battalions had lost mental balance and were unfit to lead their units. The Army Commander Lt Gen Harbaksh Singh had acted decisively and relieved the Division Commander and the two COs of their command.”
“On the basis of enquiry by GOC XI Corps. Niranjan Prasad was to face court-martial but the COAS sent for Maj Gen Niranjan Prasad and asked him to resign.”
Read the interesting details of abandoning of jeep by GOC 15th Indian Infantry Division at Lahore Front on page 40 of the book: 1965 War: The Inside Story. (Editor’s Note: The book has an error by calling the abandoned jeep as Jonga, designed by Nissan and built by India (See details of Jonga). But the above black & white and coloured photos clearly show that it was a Willys Jeep, built in the USA).

Surrender of Indian Air Force Gnat aircraft at Pasrur. On September 3, 1965, Squadron Leader Brijpal Singh Sikand, Commander of an Indian fighter squadron, surrendered to a PAF F-104 in an air combat.The Indian pilot landed the Gnat aircraft on Pasrur airfield near Gujranwala and was taken Prisoner of War. The F-104 was flown by Flight Lieutenant Hakimullah who became the Air Chief two decades later. Sikand was later rose to be an IAF Air Marshal. This encounter was the most unusual event of the 1965 Air War. The Gnat is now on display at the PAF Museum Karachi.


Tail of an Indian Canberra Bomber, Sahiwal: Tail of an Indian Canberra bomber shot down in the 1965 War and exhibited on public display in Sahiwal in 1969.



Captured Indian tank, AMX-13, Displayed at Old Fort, Sialkot. Photo by Maaz Aziz.



Plaque of Captured Indian tank, AMX-13, at Old Fort, Sialkot. Photo by Maaz Aziz.



Captured Indian Air Force Ouragan Aircraft. In June 1965, India and Pakistan had a border skirmish in the Rann of Kutch region. On 24 June 1965, an ndian Air Force (IAF) Ouragan fighter (Serial No. IC 698), flown by Flt. Lt. Rana Lal Chand Sikka intruded into Pakistani airspace. A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-104A Starfighter intercepted the IAF fighter near Badin in Sindh. Just as the PAF pilot locked on to the Indian fighter and was about to release his Sidewinder Air-to-Air Missile, the Indian pilot lowered his aircraft’s landing gear (an internationally-recognized sign of aerial surrender). The IAF pilot landed at an open field near Jangshahi village near Badin. The IAF pilot was taken prisoner and released on 14 August 1965 – as a goodwill gesture on Pakistan’s Independence Day – minus the IAF Ouragan fighter, which was retained by the PAF as a trophy and flown by a PAF pilot to an airbase in Karachi.

 

[Levina]

more inovative means we should start a thread on this

Cowardice of Maj Gen Niranjan Prasad, GOC 15th Indian Infantry Division. Here are some extracts from Chapter 8 (‘Of Cowardice and Panic’) of the book “1965 War, the Inside Story (Defence Minister Y.B. Chavan’s Diary of India-Pakistan War)”.
“Maj Gen Niranjan Prasad had generally a poor record in operational command. In NEFA during 1962 operations and later while commanding Infantry Division at Rajouri, he had been found deficient. Despite Harbaksh Singh requesting Gen Chaudhuri to replace him, the Chief disregarded the suggestion.
“Utter confusion prevailed in the operations of 15 Division and by the evening of 8 September, situation was indeed pathetic. The Divisional Commander had just managed to evade capture. The Commanding Officers of two battalions had lost mental balance and were unfit to lead their units. The Army Commander Lt Gen Harbaksh Singh had acted decisively and relieved the Division Commander and the two COs of their command.”
“On the basis of enquiry by GOC XI Corps. Niranjan Prasad was to face court-martial but the COAS sent for Maj Gen Niranjan Prasad and asked him to resign.”
Read the interesting details of abandoning of jeep by GOC 15th Indian Infantry Division at Lahore Front on page 40 of the book: 1965 War: The Inside Story. (Editor’s Note: The book has an error by calling the abandoned jeep as Jonga, designed by Nissan and built by India (See details of Jonga). But the above black & white and coloured photos clearly show that it was a Willys Jeep, built in the USA).

Surrender of Indian Air Force Gnat aircraft at Pasrur. On September 3, 1965, Squadron Leader Brijpal Singh Sikand, Commander of an Indian fighter squadron, surrendered to a PAF F-104 in an air combat.The Indian pilot landed the Gnat aircraft on Pasrur airfield near Gujranwala and was taken Prisoner of War. The F-104 was flown by Flight Lieutenant Hakimullah who became the Air Chief two decades later. Sikand was later rose to be an IAF Air Marshal. This encounter was the most unusual event of the 1965 Air War. The Gnat is now on display at the PAF Museum Karachi.


Tail of an Indian Canberra Bomber, Sahiwal: Tail of an Indian Canberra bomber shot down in the 1965 War and exhibited on public display in Sahiwal in 1969.



Captured Indian tank, AMX-13, Displayed at Old Fort, Sialkot. Photo by Maaz Aziz.



Plaque of Captured Indian tank, AMX-13, at Old Fort, Sialkot. Photo by Maaz Aziz.



Captured Indian Air Force Ouragan Aircraft. In June 1965, India and Pakistan had a border skirmish in the Rann of Kutch region. On 24 June 1965, an ndian Air Force (IAF) Ouragan fighter (Serial No. IC 698), flown by Flt. Lt. Rana Lal Chand Sikka intruded into Pakistani airspace. A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-104A Starfighter intercepted the IAF fighter near Badin in Sindh. Just as the PAF pilot locked on to the Indian fighter and was about to release his Sidewinder Air-to-Air Missile, the Indian pilot lowered his aircraft’s landing gear (an internationally-recognized sign of aerial surrender). The IAF pilot landed at an open field near Jangshahi village near Badin. The IAF pilot was taken prisoner and released on 14 August 1965 – as a goodwill gesture on Pakistan’s Independence Day – minus the IAF Ouragan fighter, which was retained by the PAF as a trophy and flown by a PAF pilot to an airbase in Karachi.

i dont like your sense of humor.
Lets not deviate from the topic.

 

[Maarkhoor]

i dont like your sense of humor.
Lets not deviate from the topic.

same advises to u behn ji..

 

[Indus Falcon]

i dont like your sense of humor.
Lets not deviate from the topic.

Actually to a very dumb question, it was a very polite answer, he should have been equally rude or dumb for that matter!
@MaarKhoor bad boy!!!

 

[Maarkhoor]

Actually to a very dumb question, it was a very polite answer, he should have been equally rude or dumb for that matter!
@MaarKhoor bad boy!!!

Ok bro noted...

 

[Maarkhoor]

To remind Pakistan members and @Windjammer ...this is a war you lost....didn't help etc.

which war kiddy.. ask professionals they will give you janam ghuti.

To remind Pakistan members and @Windjammer ...this is a war you lost....didn't help etc.



We could have sent you that jeep if you had asked ncely...you didn't have to get whacked for all that.....

we won that pcs of crap it give us pleasure

 

[ranjeet]

Well Col (retd) Ashfaq Hussain named his book "Witness to Blunder" but instead of looking how and where things went wrong lets discuss commando's instinct.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Well Col (retd) Ashfaq Hussain named his book "Witness to Blunder" but instead of looking how and where things went wrong lets discuss commando's instinct.

You should have read the article of the Air Chief of PAF (On Kargil) when he was told what these jokers had done. He was really really pissed and probably the only sensible chief in Pak armed forces at the time.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Well Col (retd) Ashfaq Hussain named his book "Witness to Blunder" but instead of looking how and where things went wrong lets discuss commando's instinct.

Dear bro only wearing a saffron chadi wont help man born with b..... 11 Km inside hostile border not a kiddy game as we comapre with urs they left flag jeep inside u r teritory.