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  1. Wholegrain

    South China Sea Forum

    Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu was propaganda written by Le Dynasty commissioned Confucian historian Ngo Si Lien. The Le dynasty wanted to create a seperate history for the Kinh people as a distinct ethnic group, so they hired Ngo Si Lien to manufacture history like the Hung Kings, stretching Vietnmese...
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    Another western Professor who says Le Loi and most of his men were Muong, and also says most Vietnamese were loyal to the Ming. ViXuyen thinks she is smarter than all these historians with Phds who are Professors at Universities. Strange Parallels: Southeast Asia in Global Context, C. 800 -...
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    South China Sea Forum

    LOL, ViXuyen is claiming that both Western historians and the French in 1884 were liars, since they said China did it and that French were defeated at Bang Bo (Zhennan Pass). The Cambridge History of China - Google Books Throne and Mandarins: China's Search for a Policy During the Sino-French...
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    :omghaha: The article was written in 2009 by a Vietnamese, and right from the start it said that Qing forces were involved. http://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trận_Bắc_Lệ&dir=prev&action=history http://vi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trận_Bắc_Lệ&oldid=1985880 Thanh Hoa borders...
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    South China Sea Forum

    I urge everyone to look at the thread. ViXuyen did not even provide a Vietnamese source to claim Bac Le was done by Vietnamese. In fact she provided zero sources in total for any of the claims she made on that thread. @Grand Historian I remember your quote about "no sources". I provided sources...
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    South China Sea Forum

    The Tran dynasty called people who lived in Nghe An and Thanh hoa as Trai. Go look at the bibloigraphy in his book, he names the sources he use, both Vietnamese and Chihese. A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books
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    South China Sea Forum

    Trai is the same as Muong people. Tana Li said Le Loi and his men were a Muong or Lao, and Taylor wrote an arricle on Le Loi being Muong, "Nguoi Trai" means people of the Camps, they were Muong and oth minority people who lived at the border unlike "Nguoi Kinh" people of the capital. Kinh people...
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    South China Sea Forum

    I said most who got killed, not captured, Le Loi killed mostly Kinh people in his war. Trai is the same as Muong people. Tana Li said Le Loi and his men were a Muong or Lao, and Taylor wrote an arricle on Le Loi being Muong, "Nguoi Trai" means people of the Camps, they were Muong people who...
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    South China Sea Forum

    That history was written by a Professor of Vietnamese studies at Cornell University. Keith Weller Taylor - Department of Asian Studies Also another Professor who said that Le Loi was his men were non-Kinh. On page 95 of this document...
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    South China Sea Forum

    These are minority Tay and Nung women, not ethnic Vietnamese Kinh women, because the Kinh women got killed or captured. I posted the cemetery for Kinh women militia who died in the 1979 war on this thread. The places of birth on the gravestones indicate they are Kinh. See here. South China Sea...
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    South China Sea Forum

    Is this why Vietnam got: Defeated by Cham in 1326 Defeated by Ming China in 1407 Mạc Đăng Dung grovelled before the Ming army and gave up land to China to prevent an invasion in 1540 Ming China, 1368-1644: A Concise History of a Resilient Empire - John W. Dardess - Google Books Defeated by...
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    Diaoyu Islands News and Updates

    Fraser says get US forces out of northern Australia and close Pine Gap
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    Vietnamese Cancer Villages caused by severe water pollution

    Social News Headlines 18/4 - News VietNamNet Social News Headlines 18/4 Last update: 11:40 | 18/04/2014 Failure to address water pollution has consequences Viet Nam needs to have a comprehensive, unified set of rules to control water pollution in the country, because the problem has assumed...
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    Pollution in Vietnam increasing severely

    Vietnamese Cancer Villages caused by severe water pollution
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    Pollution in Vietnam increasing severely

    Brewery pays for the right to pollute environment? - News VietNamNet Brewery pays for the right to pollute environment? Last update: 10:28 | 20/04/2014 VietNamNet Bridge – A brewery in the central province of Nghe An, long resented by its neighbors, has nevertheless been welcomed with open...
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    Vietnamese Cancer Villages caused by severe water pollution

    Le Vietnam nécessite un cadre juridique sur le contrôle de la pollution de l’eau -- Vietnam+ (VietnamPlus) Le Vietnam nécessite un cadre juridique sur le contrôle de la pollution de l’eau 18/04/2014 | 14:44:28 Le Vietnam devrait élaborer un cadre juridique efficace sur le contrôle de la...
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    Vietnamese Cancer Villages caused by severe water pollution

    French man swims Mekong to highlight pollution | Society | Thanh Nien Daily French man swims Mekong to highlight pollution Friday, April 25, 2014 12:17 1 / 22 Rémi Camus, swimming down the Mekong on his "riverboard." A French man completed his swim down the Mekong River in...
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    Vietnamese Cancer Villages caused by severe water pollution

    Water pollution causes cancer villages: MONRE - News VietNamNet Water pollution causes cancer villages: MONRE Last update: 10:20 | 26/04/2014 VietNamNet Bridge – Officials have admitted that water pollution in Vietnam has gotten out of its control, creating serious repercussions for both...
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    China, Rome, and the United States

    Another lie from EastSea on annexation- The Second East Turkestan Republic was a Soviet puppet state and only consisted of 3 districts in Northern Xinjiang, all of the religious Uyghurs in the Tarim Basin oases (Southern Xinjiang) opposed them for being Soviet puppets and pro-Russians, so they...
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    Taiwan affairs

    I exposed your false claims about that topic on this thread already. Southern Han Chinese and their relationship with the Baiyue | Page 18 Hakka, Hoklo, Cntonese, Min, and Wu people are all southern Han, descended from Northern Han male migrants who married southern native women, the Hoklo...

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