Why PTI and PPP stop opposing Orange Line Project

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Lahore’s Orange Line project gets Rs20bn tax relief
The government on Friday granted Rs20-billion tax relief to Lahore Orange Line Metro Train Project and decided to extend the same benefits to three future projects of similar nature in Karachi, Quetta and Peshawar to avoid controversies.

The decision was taken at a special single-point meeting of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the Cabinet presided over by Finance Minister Ishaq Dar.

“The ECC approved the proposal of the Planning, Development and Reform Division at the request of the government of Punjab to grant exemptions from withholding tax beyond six per cent of E&M (electrical and mechanical) contract price, and from tax/duties on import of equipment to be installed for the Lahore Orange Line Metro Train Project,” a brief official statement said.

DJ_Viper said:

I don't have my answer based on "you thought so"

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i think so because i know so. i asked you check the distance between these 4 districts by yourself. it's no less then 115 km. but you are not ready to move your a** and do some research. heck, you even considered Peshawar circular project a " metro Bus"

DJ_Viper said:

You'll need to give me Apples to Apples comparisons.

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Ok. then let it be that way.

........................................Lahore Apple ................................. Peshawar Apple............

total length......................... 27.5 km's. .....................................115 km's at least.

Track.....................................dual...................................................dual...................

Serving areas...................2 points of same city........................... 4 districts.............

Cost.................................... USD 1.6 billion dollars.................. USD 1.6 billion dollars.....


Design speed......................... 80 km/hr......................................... 160 km/hr

Operating speed.................... 45 km/hr......................................... 105 km/hr

Stops.........................................36...............................................at least 15-20 (not confirmed yet)

all other part of your Post was crap.

Even it this (Apple to apple comparison) is insufficient for you to understand. then please stop quoting me. as i can come down to your level to counter you. but i am allergic to bullshit..

notorious_eagle said:

Hahaha off course there was no corruption. It just magically happens to be the most expensive Metro Train in the world. All the other major cities were a bunch of morons that they happened to build it much cheaper, even Delhi built it much cheaper although its a much bigger city. Also, Punjab Government didn't release the documents of all the transactions for the safety of the people because after all, transparency is horrible for accountability. Yup indeed, no corruption at all, after all that's the hallmark of PML-N. Hahaha hahaha

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Not a single accusations of corruption were raised in the court of law against OLM.
Pti and PPP were using the environment and heritage card against the OLM because they had nothing to prove against corruption in this project.

Go and check the coat of metro tari. Projects under construction I. India and Bangladesh before passing nonsense comments about OLM cost.

war&peace said:

Just compare the cost of the Peshawar metro bus service with the Rawalpindi metro and you will know the difference. The same trend you will find here.

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Peshawar metro bus is no where , whereas pindi metro is working owesum For the twin cities people.

Ranasikander said:

Not a single accusations of corruption were raised in the court of law against OLM.

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What court of law are you talking about? In Pakistan there is no such thing as court of law. Everyone agrees that Pakistan is corrupt to the core, but name me a single person that has been convicted in the court of law for corruption. Dr Asim, Sharjeel Memon, Raja Pervaiz, Gillani have never been convicted.

Latest example, Balochistan Chief Secretary steals Rs40 billion, gives back Rs2 billion and is released scot free. There is no such thing as court of law in Pakistan, so please don't fool us.

Ranasikander said:

Pti and PPP were using the environment and heritage card against the OLM because they had nothing to prove against corruption in this project.

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They only have logic to prove that there was massive corruption. How can they prove there was corruption, when Punjab Government has refused to release any documentation regarding the Orange Train Project. After all, the only reason they are not releasing any documentation and not allowing any transparency because they know that there was massive corruption.

Ranasikander said:

Go and check the coat of metro tari. Projects under construction I. India and Bangladesh before passing nonsense comments about OLM cost.

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Already did. Delhi's cost per km is half of what the Orange Train line, so i guess the other half is going in the pocket of Shahbaz Sharif. Maybe you should do some research before passing nonsense comments. Maybe the report was in English, so you couldn't understand it but i can definitely translate it for you in Urdu.

RealNapster said:

i think so because i know so. i asked you check the distance between these 4 districts by yourself. it's no less then 115 km. but you are not ready to move your a** and do some research. heck, you even considered Peshawar circular project a " metro Bus"

Ok. then let it be that way.

........................................Lahore Apple ................................. Peshawar Apple............

total length......................... 27.5 km's. .....................................115 km's at least.

Track.....................................dual...................................................dual...................

Serving areas...................2 points of same city........................... 4 districts.............

Cost.................................... USD 1.6 billion dollars.................. USD 1.6 billion dollars.....


Design speed......................... 80 km/hr......................................... 160 km/hr

Operating speed.................... 45 km/hr......................................... 105 km/hr

Stops.........................................36...............................................at least 15-20 (not confirmed yet)

all other part of your Post was crap.

Even it this (Apple to apple comparison) is insufficient for you to understand. then please stop quoting me. as i can come down to your level to counter you. but i am allergic to bullshit..

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I don't have to do shiit as I am not stupidly questioning everything. I do have common sense I can use. No two projects can be compared from a cost standpoint unless they are 100% identical. Adding flower beds alone would change the cost .

So do me a favor, post legal, certified documentation so we can compare apples to apples. Otherwise, its all bullshiit like it is on every other thread resulting in nothing but propaganda.

Also, one of your cousins banned me I believe. Tell him I said hey, he proved me how much propaganda takes place on here.

DJ_Viper said:

I don't have to do shiit as I am not stupidly questioning everything. I do have common sense I can use. No two projects can be compared from a cost standpoint unless they are 100% identical. Adding flower beds alone would change the cost .

So do me a favor, post legal, certified documentation so we can compare apples to apples. Otherwise, its all bullshiit like it is on every other thread resulting in nothing but propaganda.

Also, one of your cousins banned me I believe. Tell him I said hey, he proved me how much propaganda takes place on here.

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RealNapster said:

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Don't put on silly icons, show me the approved project memo's, diagrams, cost analysis. I'll tear this shiit apart in 30 minutes and will let you know if what you are saying is right. You can't compare the Cost of two airports. Unless they are being designed from the same blue print, by the same architect, by the same investor, the same labor pool and materials. Here, you are talking about two railroad projects. Yet, you couldn't share the Cost, Materials, Resource analysis and Blue Prints! If you can't share those, then this entire discussion you were having is just propaganda because there is no other way to find out through empirical research based on numbers as to what the facts are....

RealNapster said:

........................................Lahore Apple ................................. Peshawar Apple............

total length......................... 27.5 km's. .....................................115 km's at least.

Track.....................................dual...................................................dual...................

Serving areas...................2 points of same city........................... 4 districts.............

Cost.................................... USD 1.6 billion dollars.................. USD 1.6 billion dollars.....


Design speed......................... 80 km/hr......................................... 160 km/hr

Operating speed.................... 45 km/hr......................................... 105 km/hr

Stops.........................................36...............................................at least 15-20 (not confirmed yet)

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Maa Sadkya jaye tmharay comparison ... How you can compare a intercity project to intracity??

Both Projects have different parameters and objectives ....BTW from where you get this figure? SPEED
operating speed....

BHae ap tau andar k banday niklay....

Bashido said:

Both Projects have different parameters and objectives ....BTW from where you get this figure? SPEED
operating speed....

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Well. as now you are on PDF. so apko b aik cheez start kar lene chaahye.. or wo hay research... Jis chez kay mutalik post karo usky mutalik research. mene to karle the tabhe post ki . aapko aitraz hay mere provided data pe to research karky mujhy ghalt sabit kardy. Dot

Bashido said:

BHae ap tau andar k banday niklay....

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RealNapster said:

Well. as now you are on PDF. so apko b aik cheez start kar lene chaahye.. or wo hay research... Jis chez kay mutalik post karo usky mutalik research. mene to karle the tabhe post ki . aapko aitraz hay mere provided data pe to research karky mujhy ghalt sabit kardy. Dot



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I don't have extra time to research it. But, what i have found, your source of research seems to me some PTI Facebook Pages. You are trying to compare apple with orange. I have already told you that both projects are different. I do not want to prove you wrong but i am unable to absorb the figures shared by you.
if you have really researched very well then you must have some links or sources. Care to share?

DJ_Viper said:

I don't have to do shiit as I am not stupidly questioning everything. I do have common sense I can use. No two projects can be compared from a cost standpoint unless they are 100% identical. Adding flower beds alone would change the cost .

So do me a favor, post legal, certified documentation so we can compare apples to apples. Otherwise, its all bullshiit like it is on every other thread resulting in nothing but propaganda.

Also, one of your cousins banned me I believe. Tell him I said hey, he proved me how much propaganda takes place on here.

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Don't try to waste your time on these stupid posts. He is unable to understand the difference between projects and you are asking him for certified documents while his main source of information Facebook posts shared by PTI pages ...

i. Contract Price of Civil Works= USD 531,681,818
ii. Contract Price of Consultancy Services = USD 24,000,000
iii. Contract Price of E&M Works (inclusive of 6% Withholding/Income Tax) = USD 922,500,000
iv. Sub-total (a to c) = USD 1,478,181,818
v. Contingencies (only in case of unforeseen increase in work) = USD 147,818,182
vi. Total Price = USD 1,626,000,000
The final price of USD 1,478 Million is around 661 Million dollar less than the bid price

17. Chinese side agreed to sublet Civil Works of the project to Pakistan side resulting in significant savings, which is again an unprecedented achievement. Significant economies / price reductions achieved in E&M Work’s price. Effective negotiations yielded project cost savings of approximately USD 660,818,182/- with unprecedented support of the Chinese Government and gracious flexibility shown by CR-NORINCO. Further, transparent tendering process of Civil Works carried out by LDA yielded additional saving of PKR 5.97 Billion.

https://punjab.gov.pk/node/1059

Bashido said:

your source of research seems to me some PTI Facebook Pages.

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You want to know my source ? Refer to Post # 13.

Bashido said:

I don't have extra time to research it

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enough said.

Now stop quoting me.

Saifullah Sani said:

i. Contract Price of Civil Works= USD 531,681,818
ii. Contract Price of Consultancy Services = USD 24,000,000
iii. Contract Price of E&M Works (inclusive of 6% Withholding/Income Tax) = USD 922,500,000
iv. Sub-total (a to c) = USD 1,478,181,818
v. Contingencies (only in case of unforeseen increase in work) = USD 147,818,182
vi. Total Price = USD 1,626,000,000
The final price of USD 1,478 Million is around 661 Million dollar less than the bid price

17. Chinese side agreed to sublet Civil Works of the project to Pakistan side resulting in significant savings, which is again an unprecedented achievement. Significant economies / price reductions achieved in E&M Work’s price. Effective negotiations yielded project cost savings of approximately USD 660,818,182/- with unprecedented support of the Chinese Government and gracious flexibility shown by CR-NORINCO. Further, transparent tendering process of Civil Works carried out by LDA yielded additional saving of PKR 5.97 Billion.

https://punjab.gov.pk/node/1059

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Thank you! This is called a good post with good data in it.

@RealNapster : See above. If you had real experience in this industry, you'd just read it and know its right for an instance. Why? Just the way the order and details are listed. Then, there is a link so you could read more details about it there. Next time, when you write numbers, please provide them with details enough to do an assessment (and a link to the original documents). Otherwise, its all "hear-say".

I don't mind you being from one party and someone else from another. That is your democratic right and I don't care as I am not in Pakistan, nor do I go there unless I have an assignment (rarely in a few years for a week may be). But, I do have an issue with people lying off their rears. That shouldn't happen or you should give enough data so people can agree with you. Thanks

DJ_Viper said:

Thank you! This is called a good post with good data in it.

@RealNapster : See above. If you had real experience in this industry, you'd just read it and know its right for an instance. Why? Just the way the order and details are listed. Then, there is a link so you could read more details about it there. Next time, when you write numbers, please provide them with details enough to do an assessment (and a link to the original documents). Otherwise, its all "hear-say".

I don't mind you being from one party and someone else from another. That is your democratic right and I don't care as I am not in Pakistan, nor do I go there unless I have an assignment (rarely in a few years for a week may be). But, I do have an issue with people lying off their rears. That shouldn't happen or you should give enough data so people can agree with you. Thanks

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Don't interfere in our internal matters