India 'incomplete' without Pakistan's Sindh: BJP patriarch LK Advani

Imad.Khan said:

Is Advani ethnically Sindhi?

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Advani is a well known Sindhi name.

Jugger said:

Although your post is a clear flame bait, I would try to answer it.

As India is secular republic, this is partially true. Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and all other minorities have equal rights in India, so in a way they all rule India.


Considering the situation in the middle east at present, your statement is completely wrong and contrary to the facts.

No, I cannot imagine overtly religious people of any religion ruling justly, as they will definitely give preferential treatment to their own kind.

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1. Sir, how Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, and you did not mention lower Hindu sects, are equal
Dont know Indian Republic constitution, they may be equal in the constitution only. How an RSS inspired Narendra Modi took oath of the premiership of India is such a dichotomy .

2. If you have cared to read some ME history you will know war and blood shedding has its roots in the way ME was divided as a result of sykes-picot agreent. 1st Gulf war amd 2nd gulf war still simmering.

I am not being sarcastic or accusatory, but the torture and killing in Kashmir overlooked by extreme hindu nationalism, previously massacre in Gujrat insinuated by then CM noe current PM Modi is a testament of justness of secular India and Unbiased secular Hindus. Please, let me knwo when you find one other than youraelf Arundatti Roy, tapan bose amd some other. Come on jolly good fellow, even 6 yr old beautiful children were blinded by lead pellets which are fired indiscriminately in all directions. I want to see one, just one main stream indian leader condemning it? They dont consider Kashmiris human. Kashmir is a just a piece of land which needs to be cleansed of Muslim Kashmirs.

JA APNI HASRATON PER AANSO BAHA KAR SOOOO JAAAA

JA APNI HASRATON PER AANSO BAHA KAR SOOOO JAAAA

LA se Karachi said:

Pakistan is not a theocratic state. Have you ever visited the country?

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According to you..a country that defines itself as Islamic Republic, has a State religion. Has religious laws encoded as national laws, sets legal requirements on who can become the Prime Minister and President based on his religious affiliation..is not a theocratic state ?

You may want Pakistan not to be a theocratic state, but it is very much so.

Acknowledge said:

According to you..a country that defines itself as Islamic Republic, has a State religion. Has religious laws encoded as national laws, sets legal requirements on who can become the Prime Minister and President based on his religious affiliation..is not a theocratic state ?

You may want Pakistan not to be a theocratic state, but it is very much so.

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Sir, a theocratic state is one run by a theocracy. Pakistan is not run by a theocracy. As last we heard no fundamentalist is Pakisatn's prime minister. Compare that with Gujrat and Kashmir butcher, Narendra Modi.

Acknowledge said:

According to you..a country that defines itself as Islamic Republic, has a State religion. Has religious laws encoded as national laws, sets legal requirements on who can become the Prime Minister and President based on his religious affiliation..is not a theocratic state ?

You may want Pakistan not to be a theocratic state, but it is very much so.

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Lots of countries have state religions or state churches:

• Roman Catholicism: Costa Rica, Liechtenstein, Malta, Vatican City, Andorra, Argentina, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland.
• Eastern Orthodoxy: Greece, Georgia, Bulgaria.
• Calvinism: Tuvalu, Scotland.
• Lutheranism: Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden.
• Islam (non-denominational): Bangladesh, Djibouti, Iraq, Pakistan, Tunisia.
• Sunni Islam: Afghanistan, Algeria, Brunei, Comoros, Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Maldives, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Somalia, United Arab Emirates.
• Shiʾa Islam: Iran.
• Ibadi: Oman.
• Theravada Buddhism: Myanmar, Cambodia.
• Vajrayana Buddhism: Bhutan.

Read: Current state religions

Laws in religious colours? Surely India has no such laws on books:

• Hindu code bills
• Hindu Succession Act, 1956
• Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act
• Hindu Adoptions and Maintenance Act (1956)
• The Hindu Marriage Act, 1955

Ah, the ever deluded Indians.

Acknowledge said:

According to you..a country that defines itself as Islamic Republic, has a State religion. Has religious laws encoded as national laws, sets legal requirements on who can become the Prime Minister and President based on his religious affiliation..is not a theocratic state ?

You may want Pakistan not to be a theocratic state, but it is very much so.

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I suggest that you look up what a true theocracy is like. Pakistan is no Iran. Heck, it's not even like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. You seem to have very little understanding of Pakistan's government. Whether civilian or military, it is not theocratic. You can say that Pakistan comes under military dictatorships and that the military might have some control over its civilian governments, but that has nothing to do with religion, obviously. No one claims that Pakistan is a secular country either, but it is no theocracy. Unlike India, it does not falsely claim to be a completely secular republic.

You may want Pakistan to be a theocracy, but it is not one. I any case, I have little interest in discussing this with you. It has nothing to do with this thread. Some Indians believe some truly amusing things about a country they've never step foot in. If you had ever visited the country, you would understand how comical your assertion is.

imadul said:

Dont know Indian Republic constitution, they may be equal in the constitution only. How an RSS inspired Narendra Modi took oath of the premiership of India is such a dichotomy .

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Who said that there is complete equality in India, but at least the constitution is equal, it might take centuries but at least there is hope.
But the same thing cannot be said about Pakistan as it is Islamic republic, there will always be a tilt to favour Muslims more than any other religion.

imadul said:

. If you have cared to read some ME history you will know war and blood shedding has its roots in the way ME was divided as a result of sykes-picot agreent. 1st Gulf war amd 2nd gulf war still simmering.

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Do not place all the blame on the west, as it is the weakness of the ME govts that allowed outside powers to interfere in ME.
So it is a sign of weakness and not strength on part of the Islamic govts in ME.

You have mentioned Indian atrocities but I can also mention many Pakistani atrocities, this mud slinging contest can never lead to a good discussion, so leave it.
As for PM Modi, if he turns ultra right and abandons the secular principles then I believe the people of India will throw him out in the next elections.
As for kashmir, the greatest threat now according to me is the radicalization of the kashmiri youth, the ISIS flag was flown from buildings in sri nagar during protests, that is a ominous sign.
Hypothetically will you still support the kashmiri freedom movement if they want an ISIS type caliphate? No right!

This is going way off-topic, I don't want to deviate further.
Good luck with Mr Trump as present, you will need it.

MilSpec said:

hehe, how about not interpreting and hearing exactly what he said. He did not say we support insurgents in Balochistan but mentioned human rights violation in Balochistan. Exactly like your dispensation has mentioned plight of rohingya's in burma, which wouldn't translate into Pakistan meddling in Burmese affairs, neither would Pakistan's concern towards south sudan issues would translate into Pakistan meddling in south sudan. It is exactly what it means, Indian PM expressing concerns about human rights in Balochistan.
I am astounded that this is so difficult to comprehend.

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Why bring Sudan and Burma into the debate? How about you show me Pakistan talking about Assam or other areas where there is gross human rights violation by India? The only part we talk about is Kashmir which is disputed. No matter how you want to spin this , the fact that Modi openly celebrated the role of India in east Pakistan and now he talks about Baluchistan, nothing can be more clearer about Indian intension and in fact validation of our claim that India sponsors terrorism in Pakistan.

Acknowledge said:

You seem to think that a theocracy is just what Iran or KSA is. That is not the case. When a Muslim is the ONLY one who can become the Head of the State, then it is a theocracy. When the State legislates who is a Muslim and who is not and when a State legislates that it is a crime to leave a religion (Islam) and not others, then it counts as a theocracy.

Sure, it is not to the level of KSA or Iran, that does not mean it is not a theocracy. A milder version for sure, but one nonetheless.

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Again, that does not make Pakistan a theocracy. Though Pakistan is not a secular country, it is not a theocracy either. A true theocracy is very different. You don't seem to understand what constitutes one.

Here's a nice little summary that illustrates what does. Please read it in its entirety:

"The literal meaning of theocracy is that of rule by god or gods, whose principles and methods derive from the heart. In theocratic governments, chosen leaders are believed to have a direct personal relationship or close connection with a divine body. In some instances, they are considered appointees of the god or gods themselves whose sole purpose on Earth is to convey the messages and directions of their divine descendants. Theocracy, although a recognized form of government, is considerably different in style and characteristic than secular forms of governments that have designated state religions or are heavily influenced by theological, divine and moral concepts and principles. While these governments lean heavily on their religious faiths for guidance, officials and rulers in theocratic governments consider themselves to rule directly on behalf of a god or other higher powers. Additionally, while secular governments have some aspects of life that are not influenced by religion, theocratic governments seek guidance from higher powers to cover all aspects of life, including law, punishment, education and marriage."

https://www.reference.com/governmen...y-3f994b343b068a67?qo=leafPageFeaturedContent

India is Incomplete by Pakistan Occupied Kashmir
India is Incomplete by Pakistan's Sindh
Indian Punjab is Incomplete by Pakistan's Punjab
Afghanistan is incomplete by Pakistan's KPK

Balochistan is a Free State

Here you go... have a nice dream now hope you can sleep better

Muhammad Omar said:

India is Incomplete by Pakistan Occupied Kashmir
India is Incomplete by Pakistan's Sindh
Indian Punjab is Incomplete by Pakistan's Punjab
Afghanistan is incomplete by Pakistan's KPK

Balochistan is a Free State

Here you go... have a nice dream now hope you can sleep better

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That was all folks.

Acknowledge said:

I would argue that your Founding Father - Jinnah is a bigger butcher and fundamentalist than Narendra Modi.
Try not to throw about epithets.

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If you have problem you may report but one wrong wouldn't make another right. It would be better either not to fall for it or then do not complain as you are the part of same trolling. Comparing the massacre by NaMO with leader like Jinnah is an insult. It was NaMO that has to clear himself from Court against charges and Jinnah never done such thing even world remember him as a Founder that has no blood on his hands like what happened in Gujrat.

Acknowledge said:

You seem to think that a theocracy is just what Iran or KSA is. That is not the case. When a Muslim is the ONLY one who can become the Head of the State, then it is a theocracy.

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The simple answer Muslim Majority. Constitution is based most upon Islamic Law and the same has been discussed. Rather than repeating the same for mere satisfaction, it would be better not to go off-topic further more. If you have issues with our Law, you have to take over, become the authority and then do so until & unless, no need to copy paste same again & again here.

Acknowledge said:

When the State legislates who is a Muslim and who is not

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Again, a media or seems like RSS feed that has nothing to do with State at all. Islam sets parameters for a Muslim or not to be that there are limits defined for every Muslim and are told not to cross. Your obsession with Pakistan and Islam made you so blind that you do not even research but came with blames and such baseless remarks for mere provocation. As you are not well aware in this subject, avoid being RSS etc media and don't touch such matter.

Acknowledge said:

when a State legislates that it is a crime to leave a religion (Islam) and not others, then it counts as a theocracy.

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Repitition of the same rant which is already discussed. Your whole post is a copy paste practice but nothing else. Islam decided that leaving the religion is a crime but your obsession with State is at peak that even before make it a sense, the whole eraser is needed to put in something informative. Islam is responsible for the Muslims and you have your religion that you can decide either to kill the one that leaves for Islam or not but make sure, when someone became Muslim then he/she is under protection of Islam so do whatever you want to.



No further religious debate.

IceCold said:

Why bring Sudan and Burma into the debate? How about you show me Pakistan talking about Assam or other areas where there is gross human rights violation by India? The only part we talk about is Kashmir which is disputed. No matter how you want to spin this , the fact that Modi openly celebrated the role of India in east Pakistan and now he talks about Baluchistan, nothing can be more clearer about Indian intension and in fact validation of our claim that India sponsors terrorism in Pakistan.

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ok.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1184349

[QUOTdiscu@ioner, post: 9115557, member: 180927"]Who said that there is complete equality in India, but at least the constitution is equal, it might take centuries but at least there is hope.
But the same thing cannot be said about Pakistan as it is Islamic republic, there will always be a tilt to favour Muslims more than any other religion.

Do not place all the blame on the west, as it is the weakness of the ME govts that allowed outside powers to interfere in ME.
So it is a sign of weakness and not strength on part of the Islamic govts in ME.

You have mentioned Indian atrocities but I can also mention many Pakistani atrocities, this mud slinging contest can never lead to a good discussion, so leave it.
As for PM Modi, if he turns ultra right and abandons the secular principles then I believe the people of India will throw him out in the next elections.
As for kashmir, the greatest threat now according to me is the radicalization of the kashmiri youth, the ISIS flag was flown from buildings in sri nagar during protests, that is a ominous sign.
Hypothetically will you still support the kashmiri freedom movement if they want an ISIS type caliphate? No right!

This is going way off-topic, I don't want to deviate further.
Good luck with Mr Trump as present, you will need it.[/QUOTE]
Good discussion with you. You have a fair mind. We will always be somewhat subjective, we may not be on complete truth but can try to remain close to truth.