Russia to refurbish Il-78 refuelling tanker aircraft for Pakistan Air Force

newb3e said:

I wonder why banyas desappear whenever there is thread about russia-pak cooperation?

Banyas you have so much money why dont you buy russia rulla he mukka do!

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Because it's not a big deal. Refurbishment of 4 old IL-78 tankers is not a game changer.

cloud4000 said:

Because it's not a big deal. Refurbishment of 4 old IL-78 tankers is not a game changer.

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No one said it was a game a changer .............

cloud4000 said:

Because it's not a big deal. Refurbishment of 4 old IL-78 tankers is not a game changer.

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But you guys always told us that you the banyas own russian and they are more like your slave and wont do anything without your permission! How are they cooperating with Pakistan then?

newb3e said:

But you guys always told us that you the banyas own russian and they are more like your slave and wont do anything without your permission! How are they cooperating with Pakistan then?

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When did we say that ??? And its too furnishing an old plane.. While a Russian minister is coming to India for deal about stealth jets

AKD said:

When did we say that ??? And its too furnishing an old plane.. While a Russian minister is coming to India for deal about stealth jets

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Your swagger mate! You banyas act like russian masters!

Ukraine inherited 21 Midas tankers from the Soviet Union, the entire Soviet tanker fleet was based in Ukraine

Ukraine never operated these tankers and they were kept in storage

They are in a bad shape because Ukraine only did minor work prior to delivery

Anyone seen the cock pit and avionics ?? They are still using gauges from 1970s very poor condition

The PAF tankers are so loud they aren't even allowed to land at many European airports, those engines need to go

So this refurb is well over due

I guess since we couldn't do it earlier because we didn't have good friendship with Russia

Even the electrics were ripped out and analog gauges were being used it was almost dangerous to fly the PAF Midas tanker fleet

This is actually great news

TOPGUN said:

No one said it was a game a changer .............

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I was just responding to @newb3e. He was wondering why Indians were not responding to this news item. He thinks it was inconsequential. I think it's not.

newb3e said:

But you guys always told us that you the banyas own russian and they are more like your slave and wont do anything without your permission! How are they cooperating with Pakistan then?

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I don't speak for all Indians, nor do they speak for me. There are many Indian and Pakistanis on PDF who lack nuance, who think dealing with foreign countries is binary -- you are either for us or against us. This deal must be looked at its merits for both India and Pakistan. In the end, it doesn't change anything.

cloud4000 said:

I was just responding to @newb3e. He was wondering why Indians were not responding to this news item. He thinks it was inconsequential. I think it's not.



I don't speak for all Indians, nor do they speak for me. There are many Indian and Pakistanis on PDF who lack nuance, who think dealing with foreign countries is binary -- you are either for us or against us. This deal must be looked at its merits for both India and Pakistan. In the end, it doesn't change anything.

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Got it, yes I agree with you ignore him please thanks.

In a fresh proposal that has been moved earlier this month, the air force has sought the defence ministry's approval for a comprehensive upgrade of its fleet of 17 IL 76 transport aircraft, as well as the seven IL 78 aerial refuelers that it is operating.

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Maybe the aircrew from the two countries meet up in Russia and exchange notes...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...6/78-transport-fleet/articleshow/48676134.cms

We cruel Pakistanies, how dare we try to do business with our banniyas neighbour's BFF.
Now they will unleash their Hanuman army on us agian

I wish they would. Time to test the new found friendship..BTW how much money they are asking for? and sign an agreement with them.

Bilal Khan (Quwa) said:

The PAF got them from Ukraine in basically 'as-is' condition, albeit with some refurbishment. However, it is the Russians that have newer engines and the IL-76/78's actual manufacturing set-up, thus they can swap out parts, put in new (and more efficient) engines, new avionics, etc.

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I heard that it cannot be used for AAR with F16 so is there any modifications planned to allow to with them ?

These tankers really needed refurbishment to make them serve PAF for atleast next 10-15 years. I wud be more than happy if they install new avionics suites and some ECM stuff on it. Eagerly waiting for the details of intended refurbishments. Am not sure if these aircraft need something like SLAP. Senior members are requested to put some light on it.

war&peace said:

I heard that it cannot be used for AAR with F16 so is there any modifications planned to allow to with them ?

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None. To refuel the F-16s the PAF needs a tanker with a boom-refueling probe - i.e. KC-135, A-330 MRTT, or Pegasus MRTT. The PAF couldn't secure the KC-135, and the A-330 MRTT and Pegasus MRTT are very expensive, USD $200m+ (albeit including the logistics and maintenance support package).

war&peace said:

I heard that it cannot be used for AAR with F16 so is there any modifications planned to allow to with them ?

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F-16 AAR mode is Boom and Receptacle type while IL-78 usually employ Drogue and Probe method. Not sure if it also has Boom and Receptacle AAR capability.